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yea....no one has enough balls to vote outside of the 2 parties.....even all these so called"Independents" i see STILL say they will vote Democrat or Republican....if you want the same old shit Joe....keep voting for the...."lessor of 2 evils"....as many call it.....i have to put up with the same old shit,but i dont have to support that shit....and as long as everyone has that opinion.....we will have the same old shit.....until people decide that these too trees have got to be shaken and have the balls to do some shaking....nothing is going to change...we will get a bone thrown at us every now and then.....if thats what you want.....keep voting for the so called...."lessor of two evils"....
You can shake the trees all day.. but the fact is, third party movements last all of two cycles.
Since 1900, you've had-
The Prohibition Party
The Progressive Party
The Socialist Party
The Communist Party
The States Rights Party
The Independent Party
The Reform Party
The Green Party
The Libertarian Party...
Guess what, they never go anywhere. There's a reason for that.
yea....no one has enough balls to vote outside of the 2 parties.....even all these so called"Independents" i see STILL say they will vote Democrat or Republican....if you want the same old shit Joe....keep voting for the...."lessor of 2 evils"....as many call it.....i have to put up with the same old shit,but i dont have to support that shit....You can shake the trees all day.. but the fact is, third party movements last all of two cycles.
Since 1900, you've had-
The Prohibition Party
The Progressive Party
The Socialist Party
The Communist Party
The States Rights Party
The Independent Party
The Reform Party
The Green Party
The Libertarian Party...
Guess what, they never go anywhere. There's a reason for that.
No, I have to live in the real world.
The real world was ONLY Romney or Obama was going to be president in 2012. Those WERE the only two viable choices.
So I had to make the decision between the well-meaning but inept guy and the evil Mormon Douchebag.
But that became an easy choice when I found out he was a Mormon.
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how many times do i have to repeat this?.....as long as people in this Country have that attitude.....NOTHING is going to change......so Joe you need a rare operation or you will suffer badly and die.....only 2 surgeons can do it .....both have done it a hundred times....one is a guy who has a 25% survival rate at it.....the other guy has a 95% survival rate.....oh but he is a Mormon....who are you going to pick Joe?.....
The ACA will not fix the problem with healthcare, which is the COST!!!! Obama forced an uber-expensive program on us that DOES NOT even do what he claimed that he intended it to do.
Health care price growth in December, at 1.7% year-over-year, was three-tenths below Novembers reading, and the lowest rate since February 1998. The 12-month moving average at 2.0% is the lowest since a fractionally lower 2.0% figure was recorded in December 1998. [...]
December was the 43rd month of economic expansion but price pressures are nowhere to be found. Indeed, lower PPI and CPI readings are likely exerting downward pressure on the health price index rather than the expected opposite whereby health care prices would be stimulating general inflation. This scenario, in conjunction with aggressive measures that providers are taking to become more efficient, argue for continued price stability (or even another leg down!).
The cost of providing health care benefits to employees rose by just 4.1% this year, the smallest increase in 15 years, according to a survey by human resources consultant Mercer.
And employers are expecting to see another modest increase of 5% next year, the survey of 2,800 companies found. That's a far cry from the beginning of the decade, when employers reported increases of 10% to nearly 15% a year. Last year, benefit costs rose by 6.1%.
The slow growth in spending per beneficiary from 2010 to 2012 combined with the projections of spending growth at GDP+0 for 2012-2022 is unprecedented in the history of the Medicare program.
Medicaid and Medicare. In recent years, health care spending has grown much more slowly both nationally and for federal programs than historical rates would have indicated. (For example, in 2012, federal spending for Medicare and Medicaid was about 5 percent below the amount that CBO had projected in March 2010.) In response to that slowdown, over the past several years, CBO has made a series of downward technical adjustments to its projections of spending for Medicaid and Medicare. From the March 2010 baseline to the current baseline, such technical revisions have lowered estimates of federal spending for the two programs in 2020 by about $200 billionby $126 billion for Medicare and by $78 billion for Medicaid, or by roughly 15 percent for each program.
January 7, 2013
WASHINGTON National health spending climbed to $2.7 trillion in 2011, or an average of $8,700 for every person in the country, but as a share of the economy, it remained stable for the third consecutive year, the Obama administration said Monday.
The rate of increase in health spending, 3.9 percent in 2011, was the same as in 2009 and 2010 the lowest annual rates recorded in the 52 years the government has been collecting such data.
WASHINGTON A sharp and surprisingly persistent slowdown in the growth of health care costs is helping to narrow the federal deficit, leaving budget experts trying to figure out whether the trend will last and how much the slower growth could help alleviate the countrys long-term fiscal problems. [...]
Health experts say they do not yet fully understand what is driving the lower spending trajectory. But there is a growing consensus that changes in how doctors and hospitals deliver health care as opposed to merely a weak economy are playing a role. Still, experts sharply disagree on where spending might be in future years, a question with major ramifications for the federal deficit, family budgets and the overall economy.
Part of the slowdown stems from the recession and the loss of income and wealth causing people to cut back on health care, Douglas W. Elmendorf, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, said last week. But he added that a significant part of the slowdown probably arises from structural changes in the health care system.
Why are all liberal hypocrites on EVERY topic? It's like all they does is take the point opposing logic even if it is a pure contradiction to their last point. Then when you point out that they are defying simple logic they accuse you of not having a heart...
The ACA will not fix the problem with healthcare, which is the COST!!!! Obama forced an uber-expensive program on us that DOES NOT even do what he claimed that he intended it to do. He condusted the first step in a gov't takeover of medicine and that is all....
socialism!!
Shut the fuck up dick face.
What ever happened to personal responsiblity? You don't like your rate ....go find a better one
You can always fall back on the GOP plan..........Let em die
Who said I'm not going to switch plans? What happened to your state controlled fairness, though? In CA, the DOI has the authority to regulate/rescind rates. If you think 47 perecent increases are fair and reasonable then you have no clue about life in general.
The ACA will not fix the problem with healthcare, which is the COST!!!! Obama forced an uber-expensive program on us that DOES NOT even do what he claimed that he intended it to do.
Surprise!
Health care price growth plummets 2012 lowest year since 1998
Health care price growth in December, at 1.7% year-over-year, was three-tenths below Novembers reading, and the lowest rate since February 1998. The 12-month moving average at 2.0% is the lowest since a fractionally lower 2.0% figure was recorded in December 1998. [...]
December was the 43rd month of economic expansion but price pressures are nowhere to be found. Indeed, lower PPI and CPI readings are likely exerting downward pressure on the health price index rather than the expected opposite whereby health care prices would be stimulating general inflation. This scenario, in conjunction with aggressive measures that providers are taking to become more efficient, argue for continued price stability (or even another leg down!).
Health insurance premiums see smallest increase in 15 years
Growth In Medicare Spending Per Beneficiary Continues To Hit Historic Lows
The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2013 to 2023
Growth of Health Spending Stays Low
January 7, 2013
WASHINGTON National health spending climbed to $2.7 trillion in 2011, or an average of $8,700 for every person in the country, but as a share of the economy, it remained stable for the third consecutive year, the Obama administration said Monday.
The rate of increase in health spending, 3.9 percent in 2011, was the same as in 2009 and 2010 the lowest annual rates recorded in the 52 years the government has been collecting such data.
Slower Growth of Health Costs Eases U.S. Deficit
WASHINGTON A sharp and surprisingly persistent slowdown in the growth of health care costs is helping to narrow the federal deficit, leaving budget experts trying to figure out whether the trend will last and how much the slower growth could help alleviate the countrys long-term fiscal problems. [...]
Health experts say they do not yet fully understand what is driving the lower spending trajectory. But there is a growing consensus that changes in how doctors and hospitals deliver health care as opposed to merely a weak economy are playing a role. Still, experts sharply disagree on where spending might be in future years, a question with major ramifications for the federal deficit, family budgets and the overall economy.
Part of the slowdown stems from the recession and the loss of income and wealth causing people to cut back on health care, Douglas W. Elmendorf, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, said last week. But he added that a significant part of the slowdown probably arises from structural changes in the health care system.
Hello structural change, hello slowing cost growth.
The ACA will not fix the problem with healthcare, which is the COST!!!! Obama forced an uber-expensive program on us that DOES NOT even do what he claimed that he intended it to do.
Surprise!
Health care price growth plummets 2012 lowest year since 1998
Health care price growth in December, at 1.7% year-over-year, was three-tenths below Novembers reading, and the lowest rate since February 1998. The 12-month moving average at 2.0% is the lowest since a fractionally lower 2.0% figure was recorded in December 1998. [...]
December was the 43rd month of economic expansion but price pressures are nowhere to be found. Indeed, lower PPI and CPI readings are likely exerting downward pressure on the health price index rather than the expected opposite whereby health care prices would be stimulating general inflation. This scenario, in conjunction with aggressive measures that providers are taking to become more efficient, argue for continued price stability (or even another leg down!).
Health insurance premiums see smallest increase in 15 years
Growth In Medicare Spending Per Beneficiary Continues To Hit Historic Lows
The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2013 to 2023
Growth of Health Spending Stays Low
January 7, 2013
WASHINGTON National health spending climbed to $2.7 trillion in 2011, or an average of $8,700 for every person in the country, but as a share of the economy, it remained stable for the third consecutive year, the Obama administration said Monday.
The rate of increase in health spending, 3.9 percent in 2011, was the same as in 2009 and 2010 the lowest annual rates recorded in the 52 years the government has been collecting such data.
Slower Growth of Health Costs Eases U.S. Deficit
WASHINGTON A sharp and surprisingly persistent slowdown in the growth of health care costs is helping to narrow the federal deficit, leaving budget experts trying to figure out whether the trend will last and how much the slower growth could help alleviate the countrys long-term fiscal problems. [...]
Health experts say they do not yet fully understand what is driving the lower spending trajectory. But there is a growing consensus that changes in how doctors and hospitals deliver health care as opposed to merely a weak economy are playing a role. Still, experts sharply disagree on where spending might be in future years, a question with major ramifications for the federal deficit, family budgets and the overall economy.
Part of the slowdown stems from the recession and the loss of income and wealth causing people to cut back on health care, Douglas W. Elmendorf, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, said last week. But he added that a significant part of the slowdown probably arises from structural changes in the health care system.
Hello structural change, hello slowing cost growth.
By law, a hospital must stabilize a patient with an emergency, regardless of whether he has insurance or not. This means that your taxes are already paying for the uninsured. The only thing that ACA is going to do is to shift the cost of this care from the taxes, to the private sector. There will be some increses in costs, because under the present law, a hospital is not required to give you a heart bypass or chemo treratment, since that is not "stabilization". however, in most cases, the uninsured manage to get this done under Medicaid, or other government programs. If all else fails, they simply write it off, and mark up the cost to your insurance comapny, instead, which simply passes it on to you. So, for the most part, all ACA is doing is "cost shifting", "not cost increasing".
The only thing you are wrong about here is that unisured people without govt' programs will still get bypass surgery. If you show at the ER with chest pain and no coverage you will be sent to the cath lab for a CABG (coronary arterial bypass graft) and spend a week (miniminum) the hospital recovering. Should you contract a pneumonia you will continue to stay in the hospital... You are what we call Private Pay --- and usually the hospital will receive very little, if any, payment for ANY of your bills...
The ACA does NOTHING to address the cost of healthcare in the US. The cost problems have NOTHING to do with the gov't taking over the biggest industry in the Country. That is just socialism -- and it will not fix the cost problem!!!
As I said, ACA is not going to reduce costs, so we agree. A single payer Medicare like universal health care WOULD have reduced costs, and so would the alternative Universal health care through private insureds, like Medicare Advantage.
What is the BIGGEST "trick" that BammyCare will "use" to "control" costs?
What is the BIGGEST "trick" that BammyCare will "use" to "control" costs?
No tricks, delivery system reform.
I.e. the "structural changes in the health care system" that are now underway. Higher quality, slower cost growth.
Sorry dad, you flunk....don't quote ANYONE all that bullshit Obama Speak....you just lose credibility when you do that.
New York, February 21, 2013 Today S&P Dow Jones Indices announced the results of S&P Economic Healthcare Indices for 2012. Data released by S&P Dow Jones Indices for the S&P Healthcare Economic Composite Index indicates that the average per capita cost of healthcare services covered by commercial insurance and Medicare programs increased by 3.73% over the 12-months ending December 2012. This is a deceleration from the +4.46% annual growth rate recorded in November 2012 and the lowest rate in the eight- year history of the index.
All nine S&P Healthcare Economic Indices posted deceleration in their annual growth rates in December 2012. As measured by the S&P Healthcare Economic Commercial Index, healthcare costs covered by commercial insurance plans increased by 5.39% over the year ending December 2012, down from +6.19% reported for November 2012. Annual growth rates in Medicare claim costs rose by 1.20%, according to the S&P Healthcare Economic Medicare Index, down from +1.81% recorded in November 2012. It is the lowest growth rate in the history of the Medicare Index.
Sorry dad, you flunk....don't quote ANYONE all that bullshit Obama Speak....you just lose credibility when you do that.
I think we'll all be familiar with "Obama speak" soon--it'll even burrow through the thick skulls of the right wingnuts eventually as reality sets in.
Annual Growth Rates Broadly Decelerate in December 2012 According to the S&P Healthcare Economic Indices
New York, February 21, 2013 Today S&P Dow Jones Indices announced the results of S&P Economic Healthcare Indices for 2012. Data released by S&P Dow Jones Indices for the S&P Healthcare Economic Composite Index indicates that the average per capita cost of healthcare services covered by commercial insurance and Medicare programs increased by 3.73% over the 12-months ending December 2012. This is a deceleration from the +4.46% annual growth rate recorded in November 2012 and the lowest rate in the eight- year history of the index.
All nine S&P Healthcare Economic Indices posted deceleration in their annual growth rates in December 2012. As measured by the S&P Healthcare Economic Commercial Index, healthcare costs covered by commercial insurance plans increased by 5.39% over the year ending December 2012, down from +6.19% reported for November 2012. Annual growth rates in Medicare claim costs rose by 1.20%, according to the S&P Healthcare Economic Medicare Index, down from +1.81% recorded in November 2012. It is the lowest growth rate in the history of the Medicare Index.
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Single payer systems are a clusterfuck across the globe. Personally, I would prefer we learn from the mistakes of others instead of pretending that - somehow - it will be different.
Try the NHS in the UK. Great people - clusterfuck system.
Obamacare doesn't kick in until 2014
Your right it doesn't but that didn't stop the Insurance companies from upping premiums to get ready for Obamacare. Mine went up and will continue to do so as will everyones.
Affordable Care Act?? I think you find it will be anything but affordable.
"upping premiums to get ready for Obamcare". You mean they get more customers and that means prices go up? And you believe that? LOL. Which economics class is that taught in?
You'll listen to anything that puts blame on Obama, let's be honest.
