Thank god for the army corps of engineers!

[OohPooPahDoo]

Without the Morganza spillway, New Orleans would be entirely doomed and so would everything south of Baton Rouge, including much of Baton Rouge itself.

That spot of flooding you see on the east bank of the river and just south of Baton rouge, extending towards New Orleans, would mean the Port of South Louisiana - the largest port by tonnage in the western hemisphere - would be wiped out. Not to mention the Exxon Refinery - the 2nd largest oil refinery in the nation - would at best have to shut down for many months and at worst be wiped out itself - in addition to the dozens upon dozens of petrochemical plants along the port of south Louisiana.

Because someone had some foresight over 50 years ago, this won't happen. The Morganza has only been used once - but it was not for its designed purpose. In '73 it was opened to prevent the river changing course. Had it not been opened the river would have likely changed course but the cities of Baton Rouge and New Orleans would have still been safe. Its never been used for its designed purpose - to prevent catastrophic river flooding of 2 million residents and billions of the nations most vital economic assets - until now.

If this works, I think we'll call it even with the Army Corps.

 

[bripat9643]

Why should the citizens of Kansas pay to prevent flooding in another state? Let Louisiana pay for their flood projects.

Without the Morganza spillway, New Orleans would be entirely doomed and so would everything south of Baton Rouge, including much of Baton Rouge itself.


That spot of flooding you see on the east bank of the river and just south of Baton rouge, extending towards New Orleans, would mean the Port of South Louisiana - the largest port by tonnage in the western hemisphere - would be wiped out. Not to mention the Exxon Refinery - the 2nd largest oil refinery in the nation - would at best have to shut down for many months and at worst be wiped out itself - in addition to the dozens upon dozens of petrochemical plants along the port of south Louisiana.

Because someone had some foresight over 50 years ago, this won't happen. The Morganza has only been used once - but it was not for its designed purpose. In '73 it was opened to prevent the river changing course. Had it not been opened the river would have likely changed course but the cities of Baton Rouge and New Orleans would have still been safe. Its never been used for its designed purpose - to prevent catastrophic river flooding of 2 million residents and billions of the nations most vital economic assets - until now.

If this works, I think we'll call it even with the Army Corps.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Why should the citizens of Kansas pay to prevent flooding in another state? Let Louisiana pay for their flood projects.

Gee whiz, I dunno, maybe because if the Ports of South Louisiana, New Orleans, and Baton Rouge get fucked up for months or years by flooding, Kansas farmers will have to pay out the fucking ass to export their grain? Maybe because if the 2nd largest oil refinery in the nation gets flooded, they'll have to pay even more out the ass to ship their grain over land? Maybe because for decades taxpayers in Louisiana and everywhere have been subsidizing their farms with our tax dollars, including the promotion of corn ethanol over sugar ethanol?

Is that a serious question, really?

 

[B. Kidd]

Why should the citizens of Kansas pay to prevent flooding in another state? Let Louisiana pay for their flood projects.

Gee whiz, I dunno, maybe because if the Ports of South Louisiana, New Orleans, and Baton Rouge get fucked up for months or years by flooding, Kansas farmers will have to pay out the fucking ass to export their grain? Maybe because if the 2nd largest oil refinery in the nation gets flooded, they'll have to pay even more out the ass to ship their grain over land? Maybe because for decades taxpayers in Louisiana and everywhere have been subsidizing their farms with our tax dollars, including the promotion of corn ethanol over sugar ethanol?

Is that a serious question, really?

Got to feel bad for those small bayou communities that get flooded when they open the spillway tho'. Hard choices in hard times.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Why should the citizens of Kansas pay to prevent flooding in another state? Let Louisiana pay for their flood projects.

Gee whiz, I dunno, maybe because if the Ports of South Louisiana, New Orleans, and Baton Rouge get fucked up for months or years by flooding, Kansas farmers will have to pay out the fucking ass to export their grain? Maybe because if the 2nd largest oil refinery in the nation gets flooded, they'll have to pay even more out the ass to ship their grain over land? Maybe because for decades taxpayers in Louisiana and everywhere have been subsidizing their farms with our tax dollars, including the promotion of corn ethanol over sugar ethanol?

Is that a serious question, really?

Got to feel bad for those small bayou communities that get flooded when they open the spillway tho'. Hard choices in hard times.

That appears to be the biggest issue with the decision to open the spillway - how much to open it. They are saying as little as 1/4 capacity might be enough, which would reduce the flood impact on the Morganza. But that's all under the assumption the levees in Baton Rouge and New Orleans can hold! The more stress the are under the more likely they are to bust.

 

[martybegan]

Gee whiz, I dunno, maybe because if the Ports of South Louisiana, New Orleans, and Baton Rouge get fucked up for months or years by flooding, Kansas farmers will have to pay out the fucking ass to export their grain? Maybe because if the 2nd largest oil refinery in the nation gets flooded, they'll have to pay even more out the ass to ship their grain over land? Maybe because for decades taxpayers in Louisiana and everywhere have been subsidizing their farms with our tax dollars, including the promotion of corn ethanol over sugar ethanol?

Is that a serious question, really?

Got to feel bad for those small bayou communities that get flooded when they open the spillway tho'. Hard choices in hard times.

That appears to be the biggest issue with the decision to open the spillway - how much to open it. They are saying as little as 1/4 capacity might be enough, which would reduce the flood impact on the Morganza. But that's all under the assumption the levees in Baton Rouge and New Orleans can hold! The more stress the are under the more likely they are to bust.

Everyone in the basin knows this could happen, its part of the easment that allows people to live within the Atafalaya Basin's levees.

 

[Toronado3800]

Folks really should try moving out of these areas or expect to receive no federal money WHEN they flood.

 

[bripat9643]

So one government boondoggle justifies another?

If the port of new Orleans is closed, then Kansas farmers can ship their wheat by train to some other port. If the Army Corp of Engineers didn't build flood control for Louisiana, then the state would do it on its own. The people there aren't stupid, at least the ones who didn't vote for Obama aren't.

As for the oil refinery getting flooded, since when did libtards give a hoot about having adequate supplies of oil? Not a single refinery has been built in the last 40 years because of their obstruction tactics, but all of a sudden we're supposed to believe you're concerned about this one?

Gee whiz, I dunno, maybe because if the Ports of South Louisiana, New Orleans, and Baton Rouge get fucked up for months or years by flooding, Kansas farmers will have to pay out the fucking ass to export their grain? Maybe because if the 2nd largest oil refinery in the nation gets flooded, they'll have to pay even more out the ass to ship their grain over land? Maybe because for decades taxpayers in Louisiana and everywhere have been subsidizing their farms with our tax dollars, including the promotion of corn ethanol over sugar ethanol?

Is that a serious question, really?

 

[bodecea]

So one government boondoggle justifies another?

If the port of new Orleans is closed, then Kansas farmers can ship their wheat by train to some other port. If the Army Corp of Engineers didn't build flood control for Louisiana, then the state would do it on its own. The people there aren't stupid, at least the ones who didn't vote for Obama aren't.

As for the oil refinery getting flooded, since when did libtards give a hoot about having adequate supplies of oil? Not a single refinery has been built in the last 40 years because of their obstruction tactics, but all of a sudden we're supposed to believe you're concerned about this one?

Gee whiz, I dunno, maybe because if the Ports of South Louisiana, New Orleans, and Baton Rouge get fucked up for months or years by flooding, Kansas farmers will have to pay out the fucking ass to export their grain? Maybe because if the 2nd largest oil refinery in the nation gets flooded, they'll have to pay even more out the ass to ship their grain over land? Maybe because for decades taxpayers in Louisiana and everywhere have been subsidizing their farms with our tax dollars, including the promotion of corn ethanol over sugar ethanol?

Is that a serious question, really?

Gotta love these Compassionate Conservatives.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

So one government boondoggle justifies another?

What the fuck are you even talking about?

Army Corp of Engineers didn't build flood control for Louisiana, then the state would do it on its own

THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER IS AN INTERSTATE SHIPPING CHANNEL

If the port of new Orleans is closed, then Kansas farmers can ship their wheat by train to some other port.

at much higher cost you ignorant twat

The 15-barge tow has a total cargo capacity of 22,500 tons, or 787,000 bushels. It would require a fleet of 870 53-foot dry vans to haul the same quantity of freight.

In comparing the 15-barge tow to the jumbo hopper car, you would need 225 of them to carry the equivalent amount of cargo.

Comparison of Cargo Capacity Between Trucks, Trains and Barges | eHow.com
You can't expect to destroy the largest tonnage port in the western hemisphere and not suffer severe economic consequences.

As for the oil refinery getting flooded, since when did libtards give a hoot about having adequate supplies of oil? Not a single refinery has been built in the last 40 years because of their obstruction tactics, but all of a sudden we're supposed to believe you're concerned about this one?

Who fucking cares? How is the above rant even relevant to the topic?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

See maps indicating potential flow of water after Morganza spillway is opened | NOLA.com

Maj. Gen. Michael Walsh has instructed officials to open the Morganza Floodway within the next 24 hours to reduce the flow of the Mississippi River past Baton Rouge and New Orleans, a corps spokesman said.

 

[bripat9643]

What's "compassionate" about forcing families in Kansas to pay for flood control projects in Louisiana? Kids in Kansas have to go without orthodontia because the deadbeats in Louisiana don't want to pay the cost of maintaining their principle source of revenue. And you think that's "compassionate?"

That is so beautifully liberal!

Gotta love these Compassionate Conservatives.

 

[bripat9643]

So one government boondoggle justifies another?

What the fuck are you even talking about?

You can't even keep track of your own arguments, can you? You claimed that the Ethanol sobusidy boondoggle justified the Louisiana flood control boondoggle.

The short answer is that "no" it doesn't justify a thing except ending the Ethanol boondoggle.

THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER IS AN INTERSTATE SHIPPING CHANNEL

So?

at much higher cost you ignorant twat

When did libtards ever give a hoot about higher costs? The ethanol subsidy has been driving up the price of food to the point where millions of people all over the world are starving. Do libtards give a damn about that? Almost every lib scheme to interfere in the economy drives up the cost of the products and services we consume, but you think we are supposed to believe they are suddenly concerned about imposing higher costs on consumers?

In comparing the 15-barge tow to the jumbo hopper car, you would need 225 of them to carry the equivalent amount of cargo.

So it would take the equivalent of about two trains to carry the same amount as a string of barges.

Big whoop. That might ad $0.05 to the cost of a Bushel of wheat.

You can't expect to destroy the largest tonnage port in the western hemisphere and not suffer severe economic consequences.

Yeah, but shutting down all the drilling in the gulf of Mexico and obstructing the construction of any new oil refineries doesn't have any economic cost.

When did libtards ever give a hoot about economic costs?

As for the oil refinery getting flooded, since when did libtards give a hoot about having adequate supplies of oil? Not a single refinery has been built in the last 40 years because of their obstruction tactics, but all of a sudden we're supposed to believe you're concerned about this one?

Who fucking cares? How is the above rant even relevant to the topic?

You were whining that an oil refinery might be shut down for a few months. I pointed out that libtards such as yourself have permanently shut down dozens of oil refineries for decades. You didn't get the point, of course.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

When did libtards ever give a hoot about higher costs?

When you're read to talk about the issue at hand instead of spinning everything into partisan babble let us all know

So it would take the equivalent of about two trains to carry the same amount as a string of barges.

And I guess there are just hundreds upon hundreds of trains waiting around in storage waiting to take up the slack of THE LARGEST PORT in the western hemisphere - HALF of all U.S. grain exports. You aren't too bright.

http://www.commodityonline.com/news...threat-from-Mississippi-floods-38560-3-1.html

With water in the Mississippi river rising and hitting river elevators, grain shipments from the US Gulf were slashed by about 40%, according to a Reuters report.

 

[Toronado3800]

So one government boondoggle justifies another?

What the fuck are you even talking about?

You can't even keep track of your own arguments, can you? You claimed that the Ethanol sobusidy boondoggle justified the Louisiana flood control boondoggle.

The short answer is that "no" it doesn't justify a thing except ending the Ethanol boondoggle.




So?



When did libtards ever give a hoot about higher costs? The ethanol subsidy has been driving up the price of food to the point where millions of people all over the world are starving. Do libtards give a damn about that? Almost every lib scheme to interfere in the economy drives up the cost of the products and services we consume, but you think we are supposed to believe they are suddenly concerned about imposing higher costs on consumers?



So it would take the equivalent of about two trains to carry the same amount as a string of barges.

Big whoop. That might ad $0.05 to the cost of a Bushel of wheat.



Yeah, but shutting down all the drilling in the gulf of Mexico and obstructing the construction of any new oil refineries doesn't have any economic cost.

When did libtards ever give a hoot about economic costs?

As for the oil refinery getting flooded, since when did libtards give a hoot about having adequate supplies of oil? Not a single refinery has been built in the last 40 years because of their obstruction tactics, but all of a sudden we're supposed to believe you're concerned about this one?

Who fucking cares? How is the above rant even relevant to the topic?

You were whining that an oil refinery might be shut down for a few months. I pointed out that libtards such as yourself have permanently shut down dozens of oil refineries for decades. You didn't get the point, of course.

Sir or madam, while we basically agree on letting the flood plain return to nature your abrasive attitude towards a perceived "libturd" point of view on the issue makes myself and no doubt others want to disagree with you.

It is nice to see you split with the big government loving farmers and the "build me a levee so we can develop this cheap land" businesses which pervade the non "libturd"s.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

What the fuck are you even talking about?

You can't even keep track of your own arguments, can you? You claimed that the Ethanol sobusidy boondoggle justified the Louisiana flood control boondoggle.

The short answer is that "no" it doesn't justify a thing except ending the Ethanol boondoggle.




So?



When did libtards ever give a hoot about higher costs? The ethanol subsidy has been driving up the price of food to the point where millions of people all over the world are starving. Do libtards give a damn about that? Almost every lib scheme to interfere in the economy drives up the cost of the products and services we consume, but you think we are supposed to believe they are suddenly concerned about imposing higher costs on consumers?



So it would take the equivalent of about two trains to carry the same amount as a string of barges.

Big whoop. That might ad $0.05 to the cost of a Bushel of wheat.



Yeah, but shutting down all the drilling in the gulf of Mexico and obstructing the construction of any new oil refineries doesn't have any economic cost.

When did libtards ever give a hoot about economic costs?

Who fucking cares? How is the above rant even relevant to the topic?

You were whining that an oil refinery might be shut down for a few months. I pointed out that libtards such as yourself have permanently shut down dozens of oil refineries for decades. You didn't get the point, of course.

Sir or madam, while we basically agree on letting the flood plain return to nature your abrasive attitude towards a perceived "libturd" point of view on the issue makes myself and no doubt others want to disagree with you.

It is nice to see you split with the big government loving farmers and the "build me a levee so we can develop this cheap land" businesses which pervade the non "libturd"s.

A return to nature this summer would be devastating to the U.S. economy. We need that port. Just think for a second how much more efficient it is to ship something down river. If the river changes course of course we could eventually set up port in the Atchafalaya but that would take years.

 

[syrenn]

Shit happens. If you live in a flood plain, expect to be flooded. If you live in an area that you know up front will be flooded, to bad but it will happen.

If you build a city below sea level tough shit when the water floods you out.

All of these people need to suck it up, its called nature.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Shit happens. If you live in a flood plain, expect to be flooded. If you live in an area that you know up front will be flooded, to bad but it will happen.

If you build a city below sea level tough shit when the water floods you out.

All of these people need to suck it up, its called nature.

People kinda need to live in flood plains if you want to use the river for commerce and the alluvial soils for farmland. I wouldn't expect you to understand that though, don't bother your pretty little head with it.

 

[syrenn]

Shit happens. If you live in a flood plain, expect to be flooded. If you live in an area that you know up front will be flooded, to bad but it will happen.

If you build a city below sea level tough shit when the water floods you out.

All of these people need to suck it up, its called nature.

People kinda need to live in flood plains if you want to use the river for commerce and the alluvial soils for farmland. I wouldn't expect you to understand that though, don't bother your pretty little head with it.

I know farmers who live there. They know the risks. Deal with it.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Shit happens. If you live in a flood plain, expect to be flooded. If you live in an area that you know up front will be flooded, to bad but it will happen.

If you build a city below sea level tough shit when the water floods you out.

All of these people need to suck it up, its called nature.

People kinda need to live in flood plains if you want to use the river for commerce and the alluvial soils for farmland. I wouldn't expect you to understand that though, don't bother your pretty little head with it.

I know farmers who live there. They know the risks. Deal with it.

Why don't you call them up and tell them to deal with it then. That's just what they need right now, a little snot who values nothing, to tell them to deal with it.