Texas man get's fired for religious beliefs AKA the Leftwingnut Strawman Thread

[PixieStix]

There's an important religious discrimination lawsuit that we have just filed in U.S. District Court in Austin, Texas. We have filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of our client Edwin A. Graning, who was employed as a bus driver for the Capital Area Rural Transportation System (CARTS).
This past January, Graning was assigned to pick up a client early in the morning and transport her to Planned Parenthood in Austin. Graning, an ordained Christian minister, was concerned that he might be transporting the client to undergo an abortion at the Planned Parenthood clinic. So before picking up the client, he called his supervisor and told her that, based on his religious beliefs, he could not take someone to have an abortion.

The man was discriminated against because of his beliefs, he did the right thing by calling his supervisor, but she instead chose to fire him instead of sending another driver

CARTS violated Title VII, a federal law that prevents religious discrimination.

The ACLJ does a lot of good work a group based in Atlanta Georgia
They fight for the rights of Christians



The complaint is at the link
http://www.aclj.org/media/pdf/Graning-DCT-FILED-Doc-1-Complaint-20100714.pdf

 

[xotoxi]

What if she had just been going for a Pap smear?

If that was the case, I'd consider him to be a slacker.

 

[PixieStix]

What if she had just been going for a Pap smear?

If that was the case, I'd consider him to be a slacker.

Not the point, it does not matter what her intent was, what matters is the fact that the man objected based on his faith. And was fired based on that

 

[Modbert]

He's suing under the same Civil Rights Act of 1964 that so many on USMB want to see being repealed. I wonder if many of those same people will be rallying in this thread against it in this case.

 

[hjmick]

Seems to me he was fired for refusing to do his job. He had no way of knowing the reasons this young lady was going to PP, it's none of his business, and his job his to drive the damn bus. He chose not to, he lost his job.

Considering the economy and today's job market, I'd say he should've kept his mouth shut.

 

[PixieStix]

He's suing under the same Civil Rights Act of 1964 that so many on USMB want to see being repealed. I wonder if many of those same people will be rallying in this thread against it in this case.

Do you think the man should have been fired?

Our faith has been under assault since way before you were born Modbert.

Madeline Ohare comes to mind, and yet many are ok with sharia law being implemented in this country, what more shall we sacrifice on the altar of political correctness?

 

[PixieStix]

Seems to me he was fired for refusing to do his job. He had no way of knowing the reasons this young lady was going to PP, it's none of his business, and his job his to drive the damn bus. He chose not to, he lost his job.

Considering the economy and today's job market, I'd say he should kept his mouth shut.

I say he should have the right to refuse an act that he feels goes against the very roots of his beliefs, I would do the same.

The supervisor could have sent another driver, that is why he called her, shees. I wonder how many times I will have to drive this point home

 

[Modbert]

Do you think the man should have been fired?

Our faith has been under assault since way before you were born Modbert.

Madeline Ohare comes to mind, and yet many are ok with sharia law being implemented in this country, what more shall we sacrifice on the altar of political correctness?

See Hjmick's post for what I think. What if he was told from then on that his daily route would involve dropping people off at PP daily? And he refused? Should his employer continue to pay for a employee who refuses to do his job?

There is a point where religious beliefs get in the way of a job. Do you think people with some of the more extreme religious beliefs are going to get their way in the hospital field? "Oh, I'm sorry, I can't do this blood transfusion, my religion won't allow it."

You know what's going to happen? They're likely going to tell you to GTFO.

 

[PixieStix]

Do you think the man should have been fired?

Our faith has been under assault since way before you were born Modbert.

Madeline Ohare comes to mind, and yet many are ok with sharia law being implemented in this country, what more shall we sacrifice on the altar of political correctness?

See Hjmick's post for what I think. What if he was told from then on that his daily route would involve dropping people off at PP daily? And he refused? Should his employer continue to pay for a employee who refuses to do his job?

There is a point where religious beliefs get in the way of a job. Do you think people with some of the more extreme religious beliefs are going to get their way in the hospital field? "Oh, I'm sorry, I can't do this blood transfusion, my religion won't allow it."

You know what's going to happen? They're likely going to tell you to GTFO.

Blood transfusion? That is ridiculous, come on Modbert. The man did not get in the way of a job, he tried to reconcile it by calling his supervisor, who in fact made a decision to fire him instead of sending another driver

 

[xotoxi]

Our faith has been under assault since way before you were born Modbert.

Madeline Ohare comes to mind, and yet many are ok with sharia law being implemented in this country, what more shall we sacrifice on the altar of political correctness?

Link, por favor.

 

[xotoxi]

What if she had just been going for a Pap smear?

If that was the case, I'd consider him to be a slacker.

Not the point, it does not matter what her intent was, what matters is the fact that the man objected based on his faith. And was fired based on that

And what if after he was hired, he told his employee that he was unable to work from 11-2 each day because he had to go to church?

Is the employer required to keep an employee who cannot fulfill the job description?

 

[hjmick]

Seems to me he was fired for refusing to do his job. He had no way of knowing the reasons this young lady was going to PP, it's none of his business, and his job his to drive the damn bus. He chose not to, he lost his job.

Considering the economy and today's job market, I'd say he should kept his mouth shut.

I say he should have the right to refuse an act that he feels goes against the very roots of his beliefs, I would do the same.

The supervisor could have sent another driver, that is why he called her, shees. I wonder how many times I will have to drive this point home

You do not need to "drive" any point home.

I hold a great deal of respect for the beliefs, religious and otherwise, of others. I do not see this case as one of religious discrimination. I see a guy who refused to do his job. His job was to drive the damn bus, he refused because of his personal beliefs, fine, good for him for standing up for what he believed in, more power to him, but he refused to do his job. Unless his former employer told him they were firing him because of his religious convictions instead of telling him they canned his ass for not doing his job, this is nothing but a waste of the courts time.

 

[xotoxi]

I'm sorry...I cannot transport women because my religion does not allow them to be outside of the home without a burqa.

 

[Mr Natural]

Seems to me he was fired for refusing to do his job. He had no way of knowing the reasons this young lady was going to PP, it's none of his business, and his job his to drive the damn bus. He chose not to, he lost his job.

Considering the economy and today's job market, I'd say he should kept his mouth shut.

I say he should have the right to refuse an act that he feels goes against the very roots of his beliefs, I would do the same.

The supervisor could have sent another driver, that is why he called her, shees. I wonder how many times I will have to drive this point home

The supervisor is supposed to rearrange his entire schedule to accomodate one religious nut job?

Bullshit!

Just shut up and drive the fuckin' bus or go home.

 

[xotoxi]

I'm sorry, ma'am...but I cannot transport that unmarried couple as they are living in sin in the eyes of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[xotoxi]

Gee, ma'am...I'd love to pick those people up...but unfortunately, they are gay. For religious reasons, I respectfully decline that pickup.

 

[xotoxi]

I cannot transport that person to the grocery store...because that grocery store is only two blocks from Planned Parenthood. How can I be completely sure that the person I am driving isn't going to pretend to go into the store...and then walk over to Planned Parenthood for an abortion? For religious reasons, I decline this transport.

In fact, ma'am, I will not be able to transport anyone over to the East Side of town because it is too close to Planned Parenthood. I also won't be able to bring anyone near the hospital. Who know's what they will be doing there!

 

[manifold]

Thread title fail.

He didn't get fired for his religious convictions, he got fired for not doing what he was hired to do.

 

[xotoxi]

Ma'am...I'm half-Jewish and half-Christian...so I will need both Saturdays and Sundays off, in addition to all of the appropriate holidays. Additionally, I am considering conversion to Islam, so I will need all of those Holy days off as well...so I can practice.

What? You are firing me?!?! WELL I'LL SEE YOU IN COURT!!!

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, a couple of years back there was a bunch of Muslim cabdrivers in NYC who refused to transport people who had alcohol in their luggage because of THEIR religious beliefs, and they tried to claim freedom of religion.

They lost their suit.

This? Pretty much the same thing in my eyes. Did the driver KNOW that she was going there for an abortion, or could it possibly been a checkup to see how the baby is doing because she's on WIC?

Planned Parenthood helps out with a lot more than just abortions. There is also STD counseling, pregnancy prevention training, free condoms are provided, etc.

How did this driver know for a FACT without talking to her that she was getting an abortion?

Fucker needs to be fired, he's enforcing HIS beliefs on others without bothering to investigate first.

Kinda like what Breitbart does come to think of it.........