Testimony of believers & former believers of the morning star

[yiostheoy]

More admissions and verses revealing Jesus is Lucifer

THIS is probably why St. Paul said you should not let a b!tch speak in church.

 

[yiostheoy]

That is a false teaching (Ezekiel's warning of the false soul flying life).
Judaism does not have a concept of prebody souls (Nepes means breath).
EVERYTHING HAS A PROCESS.
THE ANCIENT WORLD WAS NOT ADVANCED TO KNOW THE WORKING OF MANY PROCESSES OR TRY AND FIGURE THEM OUT.
So they made stuff up in theory thinking they were smart, but in doing so they made everyone look dumb.
Your brain is your process for memory and for feel, sensing life. Your body is your execution of those processes allowing you BREATH to experience creation, feel, sense, memory, essence of you comes from how you compute these experiences. This is your spirit and it did not exist before your processor brain existed...without your brain (brain dead) you are no more which is why Psalms says in death no more memory of thee.
Without the brain you have no more breath (nepes) thus no soul. You leave your natire(spirit about you) through influence on the living world, through writings, teachings, memories left, influences. etc...
Sources:
since death is without breath then the soul (breath) ceases after death. “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) Num. 6:6, 9:7, Lev. 21:11 – a dead body is a dead “nephesh”As scripture tells us, when you die the body goes back to the dust of the earth (Ecc 3:20) and the soul (breath) or spirit (nature of your being) also dissipates into the energy surrounding this, our layer of existence, the earth(Ecc 12:7, Psalms 22:29 & 104:29-30, Ezekiel 18:4 & 20, Joshua 10:28-39)Our Spirit (which is an essence of our being & not an energy) shouldn't be portrayed as an energy, for even if it was described as such it could not escape from this earth or have any senses or conciousness without a processor for it, which is what our brain is. We were formed from processions, layer after layer of micro realms to have concious energy, by placing the soul into the body, which acts as the processor, otherwise there would be no "Life" to experience. Example: You send a signal from computer to computer with a visual program that functions, but by itself that energy full of info has no form of concept, but once it’s received and processed at the end user, it then becomes a formed and visible program. Without the processor it’s just energy in micro orders without macro end vision of form.Stilldoubt what I say?Try blind folding yourself, placing sound proof ear phones on, and numbing your fingers. What do you feel, hear or see (thus sense)? Nothing! Does that energy you call soul still see, hear, touch, and feel?Without your vessel acting as the processor you have no sense that allow you to feel, hear, see and sense life.

You probably should have gone to rabbinical school and become one.

 

[zaangalewa]

... The Latin Vulgate attributes the name to Satan ...

No - absolutely not. A prejudice or propaganda of our enemies. To attribute Lucifer (lightcarrier) with Satana (challenger) is an anticatholic attitude. Unfortunatelly also Catholics sometimes believe what their enemies say about them. Where no light is there's darkness (ignorance) - but in the real darkness is light too - only as long as this light meets not our eyes we don't see. So let me try to enlighten you. This are all textes of the Vulgata where the word "lucifer" is used:

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Old Testament:
Hi 11,17 Et quasi meridianus fulgor consurget tibi ad vesperam ; et cum te consumptum putaveris, orieris ut lucifer.
Hi 38,32 Numquid producis luciferum in tempore suo, et vesperum super filios terræ consurgere facis ?
Ps 109,3 Tecum principium in die virtutis tuæ in splendoribus sanctorum ; ex utero, ante luciferum, genui te.
Jes 14,12 Quomodo cecidisti de cælo, Lucifer, qui mane oriebaris ? corruisti in terram, qui vulnerabas gentes ?
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New Testament:
2Petr 1,19 Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem : cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernæ lucenti in caliginoso donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris :
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[yiostheoy]

... The Latin Vulgate attributes the name to Satan ...

No - absolutely not. A prejudice or propaganda of our enemies. To attribute Lucifer (lightcarrier) with Satana (challenger) is an anticatholic attitude. Unfortunatelly also Catholics sometimes believe what their enemies say about them. Where no light is there's darkness (ignorance) - but in the real darkness is light too - but as long as this light meets not our eyes we don't see. So let me try to enlighten you. This are all textes of the Vulgata where the word "lucifer " is used:

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Hi 11,17 Et quasi meridianus fulgor consurget tibi ad vesperam ; et cum te consumptum putaveris, orieris ut lucifer.
Hi 38,32 Numquid producis luciferum in tempore suo, et vesperum super filios terræ consurgere facis ?
Ps 109,3 Tecum principium in die virtutis tuæ in splendoribus sanctorum ; ex utero, ante luciferum, genui te.
Jes 14,12 Quomodo cecidisti de cælo, Lucifer, qui mane oriebaris ? corruisti in terram, qui vulnerabas gentes ?
2Petr 1,19 Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem : cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernæ lucenti in caliginoso donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris :
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Damn boy you are really falling of the deep end here.

I already told you what Lucifer means and where it comes from.

 

[yiostheoy]

Does any of you dumbazzes really believe that a Dark Prince is going to adopt a dumbazz name that somebody comes up with for him ??

He has his own name which he calls himself.

Hopefully you yourself will never find out what it is.

Hopefully God's Guardian Angels will watch over you and bless you and keep you, instead.

 

[zaangalewa]

That is a false teaching (Ezekiel's warning of the false soul flying life).
Judaism does not have a concept of prebody souls (Nepes means breath).
EVERYTHING HAS A PROCESS.
THE ANCIENT WORLD WAS NOT ADVANCED TO KNOW THE WORKING OF MANY PROCESSES OR TRY AND FIGURE THEM OUT.
So they made stuff up in theory thinking they were smart, but in doing so they made everyone look dumb.
Your brain is your process for memory and for feel, sensing life. Your body is your execution of those processes allowing you BREATH to experience creation, feel, sense, memory, essence of you comes from how you compute these experiences. This is your spirit and it did not exist before your processor brain existed...without your brain (brain dead) you are no more which is why Psalms says in death no more memory of thee.
Without the brain you have no more breath (nepes) thus no soul. You leave your natire(spirit about you) through influence on the living world, through writings, teachings, memories left, influences. etc...
Sources:
since death is without breath then the soul (breath) ceases after death. “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) Num. 6:6, 9:7, Lev. 21:11 – a dead body is a dead “nephesh”As scripture tells us, when you die the body goes back to the dust of the earth (Ecc 3:20) and the soul (breath) or spirit (nature of your being) also dissipates into the energy surrounding this, our layer of existence, the earth(Ecc 12:7, Psalms 22:29 & 104:29-30, Ezekiel 18:4 & 20, Joshua 10:28-39)Our Spirit (which is an essence of our being & not an energy) shouldn't be portrayed as an energy, for even if it was described as such it could not escape from this earth or have any senses or conciousness without a processor for it, which is what our brain is. We were formed from processions, layer after layer of micro realms to have concious energy, by placing the soul into the body, which acts as the processor, otherwise there would be no "Life" to experience. Example: You send a signal from computer to computer with a visual program that functions, but by itself that energy full of info has no form of concept, but once it’s received and processed at the end user, it then becomes a formed and visible program. Without the processor it’s just energy in micro orders without macro end vision of form.Stilldoubt what I say?Try blind folding yourself, placing sound proof ear phones on, and numbing your fingers. What do you feel, hear or see (thus sense)? Nothing! Does that energy you call soul still see, hear, touch, and feel?Without your vessel acting as the processor you have no sense that allow you to feel, hear, see and sense life.

You probably should have gone to rabbinical school and become one.

He's not a Jew.

 

[zaangalewa]

... The Latin Vulgate attributes the name to Satan ...

No - absolutely not. A prejudice or propaganda of our enemies. To attribute Lucifer (lightcarrier) with Satana (challenger) is an anticatholic attitude. Unfortunatelly also Catholics sometimes believe what their enemies say about them. Where no light is there's darkness (ignorance) - but in the real darkness is light too - but as long as this light meets not our eyes we don't see. So let me try to enlighten you. This are all textes of the Vulgata where the word "lucifer " is used:

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Hi 11,17 Et quasi meridianus fulgor consurget tibi ad vesperam ; et cum te consumptum putaveris, orieris ut lucifer.
Hi 38,32 Numquid producis luciferum in tempore suo, et vesperum super filios terræ consurgere facis ?
Ps 109,3 Tecum principium in die virtutis tuæ in splendoribus sanctorum ; ex utero, ante luciferum, genui te.
Jes 14,12 Quomodo cecidisti de cælo, Lucifer, qui mane oriebaris ? corruisti in terram, qui vulnerabas gentes ?
2Petr 1,19 Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem : cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernæ lucenti in caliginoso donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris :
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Damn boy you are really falling of the deep end here.

I already told you what Lucifer means and where it comes from.

What about if you would take your time and first think and then say something?

 

[HaShev]

Lucifer is just the Latin (Roman) name of the planet Venus.

Back then the Romans did not know that the Morning Star and the Evening Star were the same thing -- the planet Venus.

The Latin Vulgate attributes the name to Satan (a Hebrew name) and Devil (a Greek name).

Blame St. Gerome -- he translated the Greek Bible into Latin and chose the names.

He chose Lucifer for the translation of Satan and Devil.

For example, Jesus is a Latin name also.

Jesus was never called Jesus in his lifetime.

He was called Jesu deem N'Zareth in Aramaic.

Gerome put an S on the end of it to Latinize it.

So essentially it was St. Gerome who named Jesus "Jesus".

Even so, most Protestant dumbazzes believe Jesus was called Jesus and went around calling himself Jesus and even spoke English.

Even though English was not yet to be invented for another 1000 years.

No, you've been blatantly lied to and are now spreading that lie yourself.

First the definition:
Lucifer
[See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)

Definition in that era symbols meanings to them:
Bright (top/arch) Morning (Baal)
Star (messenger/prophet)

Symbolism and use of the Planet Venus to describe the 2 archangels:
the fallen arc of Planet venus called Morning Star symbolise the fallen archangel and Shalem the Evening Star symbolising the rising arc of the planet venus thus rising
arch Michael. -Dan 12:1-4

Lastly Morning Star was Baal's son and Ishtars(easter's) son.
The cross with the radiant sun or circle is a baal cross, the Dec 25th birthday is Baal's birthday, the death and resurrection scene is from ancient Baal mythology as see on those Assyrian 700bc tablets housed in the Brittish museum.
Thus the church proclaims father and son are one (in the same mythology).

And so now we have the name of the fallen one who's called "Lord" (in Hebrew =Ba'al)
So everywhere your text translated Lord the actual spoken term was Ba'al as in saying Ba'al Jesus.
Baal Jesus=666 in ASCll numerology used to secret numbers from names.

You are missleading people from secreting Lucifer, because you are the 1/3 deceived, even the elect.

 

[hobelim]

And so now we have the name of the fallen one who's called "Lord" (in Hebrew =Ba'al)
So everywhere your text translated Lord the actual spoken term was Ba'al as in saying Ba'al Jesus.
Baal Jesus=666 in ASCll numerology used to secret numbers from names.

The number 666 is only mentioned twice in the entire Bible.

Once in revelation where is is identified as the number of the beast, a man, and again when describing Solomon's yearly stipend of 666 talents of gold taken from the temple treasury.


Obviously the number 666 has nothing whatever to do with numerology. Obviously the number 666, the number of the beast, is associated with the name of only one man, Solomon.


You should probably take some time off from your busy schedule preparing Temple costumes and trinkets and try to discern what those first century Jews died trying to tell your people.......


PS.. No one is going to believe that you are the Moshiach if you can't display enough intellectual honesty yourself and stop lying about the number 666 being about the name of Jesus.

Given the facts, perhaps you should try and explain how the number 666 is not about Solomon.

 

[shimon]

Thank you Hobe... You shot Jesus once again by bringing up Solomon and the 666 talents of gold.. You got me thinking and apparently you are incorrect 666 is mentioned in one other place Ezra 2:13 where Adonakam and his 666 sons return... Now I would not find this very interesting accept According to the BDB theological dictionary and NOBSE study bible name list..The name Adonikam means and I Quote " my lord has risen"..Alfred Jones (dictionary of Old Testament proper names) This name Adonikam goes with the derivation meaning " adversary" and reads " Lord of Enemies" which fits Jesus to a tee as he is known as Lord... He is the Lord of Enemies which is Christianity and any others who accept him as their leader and it is taught that Jesus Rose or is the lord that is risen... It is always amazes me that when someone tries to fool with us that we get answers that hurt those who wish us harm... Thank you once again I will make sure this info tying Jesus to 666 further and deeper gets passed on to others....wink....

 

[HaShev]

You told him.
To bad H0be's power of life is not strong enough to use his ememies expectations of a number against them like our can.
He just admited every preacher failed and false by teaching REv 13. Which Ironically also exposes Jesus as the fallen one who
1 of 3 heads wounded then healed, like a lamb, causing fire down from heaven, buy or sell without the mark, yada yada yada....

 

[hobelim]

Thank you Hobe... You shot Jesus once again by bringing up Solomon and the 666 talents of gold.. You got me thinking and apparently you are incorrect 666 is mentioned in one other place Ezra 2:13 where Adonakam and his 666 sons return...

Yeah well in Nehemiah 7:18 it says the sons of Adonikam were 667........

The number of the beast is the number of a man, but there is more than just the number that identifies the beast and anyone who has received his mark. Remember? That disqualifies the unreliable number given in ezra and leaves no other name but Solomon as the identity of the man whose number is 666...

It is always amazes me that when someone tries to fool with us that we get answers that hurt those who wish us harm...

Stop with the hysterics already...Did you think that you hurt me? lol....



Tries to fool "us"? "We" get answers? Wish "us" harm?


How many of you are there?

666?

 

[HaShev]

Hebrews 2:14,15
power of death that is the devil

so when you say;"that identifies the beast and anyone who has received his mark."

That mark is the cross which was always (predated) the sign of death and destruction.
Baals cross was the sun circle behind the cross, Mithraic cross was predated with the sickly man hanging on it. On Ash wed they use ashes to "mark their foreheads" with the sign of death (power of the destroyer devil).
They make the sign of the beast crossing their heart hoping to die because they worshiped death(hades death cult).
You today can't buy or sell (rev 13:13) without the mark of the beast cross or Dagon fishman god in trade papers, yellow pages or marquis signs marking trading with other devil worshipers. In the Roman era they had coins with Jesus image on it and 0nes with columns =666 numerically and Arabs were not allowed to buy or sell without these satanic coins.
Checkmate!

 

[hobelim]

Hebrews 2:14,15
power of death that is the devil

so when you say;"that identifies the beast and anyone who has received his mark."

That mark is the cross which was always (predated) the sign of death and destruction.
Baals cross was the sun circle behind the cross, Mithraic cross was predated with the sickly man hanging on it. On Ash wed they use ashes to "mark their foreheads" with the sign of death (power of the destroyer devil).
They make the sign of the beast crossing their heart hoping to die because they worshiped death(hades death cult).
You today can't buy or sell (rev 13:13) without the mark of the beast cross or Dagon fishman god in trade papers, yellow pages or marquis signs marking trading with other devil worshipers. In the Roman era they had coins with Jesus image on it and 0nes with columns =666 numerically and Arabs were not allowed to buy or sell without these satanic coins.
Checkmate!

Right, so the Romans copied the political/religious beast, the system first established by Solomon who copied it from the egyptians who were masters of the magical arts, ie. mind control.

Even the Christian concept of anathema,no one can buy or sell unless they receive the mark of the beast, is copied from the Jewish practice of scapegoating.


All of that aside, the mark of the beast on the forehead or the right hand alludes to something about the practice of wearing phylacteries and tefillin.

Would you like to see what that is?

 

[shimon]

As usual Hobe you are true to form,.... Adonakam was more then likely included in that verse from Nehemiah and it does not take away from the fact that you are being deceptive... Instead of passing me the pillow and saying I am higher up to you as per our last discussion because I taught you something you are putting your pride in front..... Solomon had 666 talents of gold which he was using to protect his fellow Israelites by using it to feed the army and buy and produce chariots etc etc.... Yes it was a burden to the average Israelite and caused a split when his son followed suit and increased it but he himself did not have this happen during his lifetime.... Adonokam on the other hand had these followers or sons which in the original hebrew means they behaved or eminated his ways which is how christians exhort their fellows to be christlike... They follow their risen lord away from the gd of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and they exhort others to do so.They are adversarial which is Satanic in the original meanings towards the followers of Abraham Isaac and Jacob ... So not only does it stand that Adonokim and 666 are intertwined but Jesus fits that verse as well and since Christianity loves to place their hero Jesus in verse after verse he does not fit then using a level playing field and the fact that Jesus is the risen lord(claimed)... Is the adversary of Gd(Because he does everything opposite) and is the leader of Enemies(Christianity became the bitter enemy of the jews wherever they went)... Jesus fits that verse and 666 to a tee or should I say Cross and you by your pride have been shown up to be puffed up but without truth in you because your pride and arrogance stands in your wayand thankyou once again for showing us something we might have otherwise missed....Wink wink...

 

[HaShev]

So the response to being caught red handed stroking the devils tail is to blame Solomon to (the old childish "Well they did it too" displacement behavior). However this is done without merit, context, source, or even relevance to the conversation since it's just dung flinging without any clear message since Hobe just mumbo jumbo'd words without structure to anything that makes sense.
Can anyone interpret his post, perhaps using verses of the Tanakh to help define where he's going with his displacement blame?

 

[hobelim]

Solomon had 666 talents of gold

Exactly. 25 tons. Every year, not to mention taxes tolls, and tributes fleeced from the population daily..


It is well know that there were several movements in Judea at the time against the corruption inherent in temple worship and theocratic rule funded by bleeding the people of money, through taxes tolls and tithing for the privilege of subjugation under the injustice and madness of a compulsory literal application of Mosaic law with one high priest fruitloop running a paranoid police state while some self-indulgent beast pretending to be a holy king indulges in depravity out of sight behind the veil of the temple.. Why are you trying to find fault with me for understanding what they were warning about?


The number 666 in revelation has nothing whatever to do with numerology or the name of Jesus.



Your openly professed support for reinstating animal sacrifice in a temple dedicated to God and dreams about subjugating the entire Jewish population to a theocracy with, of all idiots, hashem as your supreme commander, is the mark of the beast, like the giant black thumbprint of a serpent, right in the middle of your forehead.

There isn't enough mikvah water in the world to wash away that stain.

Mazel tov!

 

[hobelim]

Hebrews 2:14,15
power of death that is the devil

No, the power of the devil is death, the death promised by God for defying the divine commands.

If any low life can convince another person to worship another human being, lets say, then the person deceived 'dies' in that very day and immediately comes under the condemnation of God. As consequence the deceived without a rational faculty or divine protection becomes dependent on the devil to take over their thoughts and direct their mind and life even if to self destruction..

this is how the devil uses the power of death to accumulate human possessions, uhm, followers.

 

[HaShev]

And who has killed more people then the Jesus mythology? 50+million and counting.
Basically all death worship (rewards in dying)teachings have caused most of these murderous paths.

Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!"

HENCE HE FELL TO THE PIT-ACTS 2:27 &
1 Peter 3:19 but told them to lie and say he ascended to heaven to his father.-ev8drnce of the great lie-John 20:1-17 He tells Mary to lie for him. BUSTED!

 

[hobelim]

And who has killed more people then the Jesus mythology? 50+million and counting.
Basically all death worship (rewards in dying)teachings have caused most of these murderous paths.

Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!"

HENCE HE FELL TO THE PIT-ACTS 2:27 &
1 Peter 3:19 but told them to lie and say he ascended to heaven to his father.-ev8drnce of the great lie-John 20:1-17 He tells Mary to lie for him. BUSTED!

The Jesus myth and cult of death as you call it has only been around since 325 ce. It really isn't any worse than the Moses myth that God gives a crap about what people serve and eat for meals. A menu is the way to a holiness and eternal life... Yeah right.

You will never see or hear anything from the Jesus or the Moses that actually existed before Rome assimilated and perverted Christianity, (and Judaism for that matter), until you learn to say baruch haba b'shem Adonai.

How long has it been and how many people have died since Moses died and the people turned aside from the way he taught to follow Divine law? 4000, 5000 years? Billions of people?

How many people have died as a direct result of believing the grandiose garbage that you falsely speak in Gods name even though you have never seen or hear a single word from God in your entire life?

One death confirmed at the very least. Is it still not murder?

How do you expect to escape the hand of the Almighty in this world or the world to come?