Terrorists aren't a threat in the US! Nevah!

[Old Rocks]

You fucking idiot. Read the material. It WORKS ON OUR AGENTS. They are exposed to it so they know what it's like and how to apply it. But of course our side isn't trying to get information from OUR AGENTS when it's applied.

Are you really this stupid? Or do you just really hate Americans this much, that you're willing to sacrifice them over something so trivial as a little water in the face? 35 seconds, nitwit.

So we hung some Germans and Japanese for a little water in the face? What a damnable liar you are.

 

[KittenKoder]

Golly, gee, damn. What a wonderful Christian you are. The Spaniards of the Inquisition would be proud of you. And you have zero evidence that waterboarding has saved even one life.

Yeah she does, a media trumped piece from some ex-agent of the CIA ... a true psychologist in my book. *sage nod* Very reliable even .... though he never mentions one actual case just a lot of lip service, but still, he's an ex-agent, he has to be smart.

 

[Old Rocks]

Terrorists kill the people they torture. They don't apply torture for 35 seconds and walk away. They saw off people's heads with dull blades (which, btw, seldom gets reported by the mainstream media you love so much). They chop off the hands of children. They use mentally deficient women and children as suicide bombers, to kill innocent people.

Of course one would have to actually have to care about the lives being lost to understand this, and we've already established you could give a shit about the kids and the women being tortured, killed and blown up by your buddies who cry foul for being waterboarded for 35 FUCKING SECONDS and subsequently spill their cowardly guts all over the place.

Several people have died from the torture that Americans did to them in Afghanistan and Iraq. So how is your morality differant from a terrorist? I see no differance.

 

[KittenKoder]

Several people have died from the torture that Americans did to them in Afghanistan and Iraq. So how is your morality differant from a terrorist? I see no differance.

Hey! I resemble that remark ... oh wait ... I don't actually delude myself to believe that anything they say is real.

 

[Lycurgus]

waterboarding is torture why cant you just admit that and go with it...as dr phil says...own it...

suffocation is always torture or really kinky sex games

DR. PHIL ????????????

 

[Old Rocks]

Like the Portland Seven, these five seem to have the same competancey level as Bush. They deserved the max sentences on the weopons charge, but obviously were a long ways from being a danger to the military. Look, it is not idiots like these that we need to fear, but the people that are carefully planning a real attack. Bush left the southern border wide open for years after 9-11. We do not know who or what has come across. Yes, we have to be constantly on the alert, not on vacation like Bush after recieving over 50 warnings, some specific as to the method of attack, in the summer of 2001, and ignoring them all. Went on vacation. Then came 9-11.

 

[KittenKoder]

DR. PHIL ????????????

Ack! No one post that name again ... please ... do not summon that demon! *hides*

 

[KittenKoder]

Like the Portland Seven, these five seem to have the same competancey level as Bush. They deserved the max sentences on the weopons charge, but obviously were a long ways from being a danger to the military. Look, it is not idiots like these that we need to fear, but the people that are carefully planning a real attack. Bush left the southern border wide open for years after 9-11. We do not know who or what has come across. Yes, we have to be constantly on the alert, not on vacation like Bush after recieving over 50 warnings, some specific as to the method of attack, in the summer of 2001, and ignoring them all. Went on vacation. Then came 9-11.

Don't give away the secrets of terrorism! Let them keep going after these small fries so they will continue to be blind to the real threats. Old Rocks is right, terrorists are highly organized and have alternate plans, they aren't a bunch of hill billies toting guns masquerading as survivalists who just hate the US. You can't know someone is a terrorist until they admit it openly, otherwise they are normally pretty well hidden and blend in well with the local populace. That's why they have succeeded as much as they have.

 

[Chris]

Funny how no one is talking about "terrorism" anymore.

I wonder why?

Could it be that it was always a minor issue compared to the big issues we now face like American energy independence and the complete collapse of our economy?

 

[KittenKoder]

Funny how no one is talking about "terrorism" anymore.

I wonder why?

Could it be that it was always a minor issue compared to the big issues we now face like American energy independence and the complete collapse of our economy?

It was a political card and nothing more.

 

[Chris]

It was a political card and nothing more.

Bingo!

The Republicans always have to have a brown man to scare white suburbanites.

Wille Horton, Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden, Rev. Wright, etc....

 

[KittenKoder]

Both sides have their cards they play, the Democrats use the environmental ones just as much as the Republicans use the war ones.

 

[Lycurgus]

Bingo!

The Republicans always have to have a brown man to scare white suburbanites.

Wille Horton, Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden, Rev. Wright, etc....

Amazing!

 

[DiveCon]

Amazing!

isnt it

 

[Luissa]

Show me proof where the information they give when they are being waterboarded is actually true?
And why would a person who is told if he dies for his cause will go to heaven and recieve 40 virgins give up information about his cause,truthful information at that!

 

[DiveCon]

Show me proof where the information they give when they are being waterboarded is actually true?
And why would a person who is told if he dies for his cause will go to heaven and recieve 40 virgins give up information about his cause,truthful information at that!

one guy sang after being waterboarded and then we got info to capture KSM, KSM is now in Gitmo
just a hint, he was the al qaeda #2 and the mastermind behind 9/11

 

[Agnapostate]

If the claims about waterboarding being used to procure information that saves lives, I would say that it's immoral to not use waterboarding or similar torture techniques, in cases in which it can be expected to procure consequences preferable to those in which it is not done...and temporary physical suffering is not especially morally significant when compared to numerous lives ended.

It's a diversionary tactic to minimize the fact that there are Muslims in the US who want to kill us....not because we're in the middle east, and not because they've been waterboarded, but because they're Muslims and think they're on a mission from God.

That is not the case. As I have mentioned previously, they regard the lucrative economic and military support provided to Israel by the United States as an empowerment of Israel to desecrate and defile their holy sites. For instance, Osama bin Laden's original fatwa, Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places, issued in 1996, identified the Al-Aqsa Mosque, (which, along with the Dome of the Rock, is located on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem), as an Islamic holy site that was being defiled by Israeli sovereignty over the area.

Utmost effort should be made to prepare and instigate the Ummah against the enemy, the American-Israeli alliance- occupying the country of the two Holy Places and the route of the Apostle (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) to the Furthest Mosque (Al-Aqsa Mosque).

Moreover, Osama bin Laden attempted to hasten the 9/11 attacks on at least two occasions, once after the butcher of Beirut decided to visit the Temple Mount, (site of the Al-Aqsa mosque), and again when he discovered that the butcher of Beirut would be visiting the White House in the summer of 2001.

"Bin Laden Aimed To Link Plot to Israel - Forward.com"

In an interim staff report released last week, the presidential commission investigating the September 11, 2001, attacks shed new light on the role of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in Al Qaeda’s worldview.

The disclosures seem to weaken Israeli claims that the issue was only a secondary priority for Osama bin Laden, and they could rekindle the debate about whether U.S. support for Israel is hindering national security.

In a 20-page report titled “Outline of the 9-11 Plot,” the commission, which is to issue a final report at the end of July, describes bin Laden’s willingness to time the attacks against America with two visits by Prime Minister Sharon, one in Jerusalem and one in Washington.

The report claims that Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, or KSM, the alleged mastermind of the attacks who was arrested in March 2003 in Pakistan, told his U.S. captors that bin Laden “wanted to punish the United States for supporting Israel.”

This is why, according to KSM, bin Laden asked him to conduct the attacks “as early as mid-2000” in response to the outcry prompted by the visit of then-opposition leader Sharon to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, the report states. Even though the Al Qaeda hijackers had barely arrived in the United States to take flight lessons, the Saudi renegade allegedly argued that it would be enough if they smashed planes to the ground without hitting specific targets. The report claims that KSM talked him out of the plan.

Bin Laden, however, reportedly asked him again a year later to hasten the preparations of the plot when he learned that Sharon, now prime minister, would visit the White House in June or July 2001, according to the report.

Once again KSM convinced him to wait, and the group eventually settled on September 11 after further debates about targets and timing, debunking the assumption that the details of the operation were planned long in advance.

In addition to bin Laden’s reported interest in linking the attacks to Israel, the report also sheds light on the worldview of Al Qaeda operatives and its sympathizers.

It noted that Mohammed Atta, the Egyptian ringleader of the plot, chose the second week of September to ensure that Congress, “the perceived source of U.S. policy in support of Israel” would be in session. Atta, who lived in Germany with several other hijackers, “denounced what he described as a global Jewish movement centered in New York City which, he claimed, controlled the financial world and the media.”

In a chilling detail, the report also mentions that KSM indicated that Mullah Omar, the former Taliban leader in Afghanistan, “opposed [Al Qaeda’s plan to attack] the United States for ideological reasons but permitted attacks against Jewish targets.”

“Bin Laden, on the other hand, reportedly argued that attacks against the United States needed to be carried out immediately to support the insurgency in the Israeli-occupied territories and to protest the presence of U.S. military forces in Saudi Arabia,” according to the report.

 

[DiveCon]

It noted that Mohammed Atta, the Egyptian ringleader of the plot, chose the second week of September to ensure that Congress, “the perceived source of U.S. policy in support of Israel” would be in session. Atta, who lived in Germany with several other hijackers, “denounced what he described as a global Jewish movement centered in New York City which, he claimed, controlled the financial world and the media.”

which leads me to believe that the capitol building was the intended target of flight 93

 

[Luissa]

one guy sang after being waterboarded and then we got info to capture KSM, KSM is now in Gitmo
just a hint, he was the al qaeda #2 and the mastermind behind 9/11

Has he gone to trial?
And if he has why has he not been put to death?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Like the Portland Seven, these five seem to have the same competancey level as Bush. They deserved the max sentences on the weopons charge, but obviously were a long ways from being a danger to the military. Look, it is not idiots like these that we need to fear, but the people that are carefully planning a real attack. Bush left the southern border wide open for years after 9-11. We do not know who or what has come across. Yes, we have to be constantly on the alert, not on vacation like Bush after recieving over 50 warnings, some specific as to the method of attack, in the summer of 2001, and ignoring them all. Went on vacation. Then came 9-11.

Yes, if you keep repeating the same lies over and over maybe you can get people to start believing them simply cause they keep hearing them. Something you Liberals are real good at.