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Nice dodge, Dave.
But you've been collecting money from the Government you hate your entire life.
Doesn't that kind of make you a hypocrite?
Joefuckstain thinks he's winning.
No, I know I have.
You don't have an argument anymore,other than the same tired platitudes of "Freedom" like
"I want to have the freedom to be totally cheated by a big insurance company."
As opposed to the freedom you want:
"I want the government to make all my life's decisions for me."
You never have explained how that's freedom. Well, I suppose it is freedom from thinking for yourself. You never have liked doing that.
Nice dodge, Dave.
But you've been collecting money from the Government you hate your entire life.
Doesn't that kind of make you a hypocrite?
I can tell when someone starts having a meltdown.
They start posting run-on sentences.
You're right, in a way. ACA is a step towards nationalization of the healthcare industry. It was designed to fail so retards like you would clamor for government takeover.You know how you like to say you're not a Communist?Yup... you've lost it.
Hey, here try to get you back on track.
"Freedom".... "the Constitution"... "Founding Fathers!"
Seriously, man, these catchphrases always help defend the indefensible...
You're wrong.
No, I just don't see the problem the way you do.
Here's how I see the problem.
First, is health care a consumer commodity, that only those who earn it should have access to, or a fundimental public service that everyone should have access to? The answer to this question is obviously the latter. The stupidity that we let poor people die of treatable diseases because they are poor is a very bad reflection on us as a society.
Second, once we've established the first point (and frankly, it's not even one your side is really arguing, other than the few fringe nutbags) then the question becomes, what is the best way to assure everyone has access? The rest of the world has figured this out. They have single payer in Canada, the UK, Japan, France. Germany and Holland have a series of private and public programs that cover everyone.
ObamaCare is a half-measure that reflects our system is very hard to reform and we have very entrenched special interests protecting a status quo they really can't defend. But it's also a failing one. Employers were having a hard time keeping up with their foreign competitors whose government have already figured this out.
So really, I see it as an incremental step in the right direction.
Indeed. He'd really be happier in Cuba where he wouldn't be exposed to those scary things.No, I know I have.
You don't have an argument anymore,other than the same tired platitudes of "Freedom" like
"I want to have the freedom to be totally cheated by a big insurance company."
As opposed to the freedom you want:
"I want the government to make all my life's decisions for me."
You never have explained how that's freedom. Well, I suppose it is freedom from thinking for yourself. You never have liked doing that.
I think he's saying that freedom is bad.
He likes making fun of freedom loving people in this country.
Here's some words he appears to hate:
Freedom
America
Liberty
Constitution
Patriotism
Honesty
Success
Religion
Christianity
Family
Security
You get the picture.
Nice dodge, Dave.
But you've been collecting money from the Government you hate your entire life.
Doesn't that kind of make you a hypocrite?
No, but it makes you stupid.
I've never said I hate the government. I want it to return to what it was designed to do in the Constitution -- that document you hate so much.
Meanwhile, you've been living in America, the country you hate, your entire life.
Doesn't that kind of make you a hypocrite?
Do you REALLY want to play this game?Nice dodge, Dave.
But you've been collecting money from the Government you hate your entire life.
Doesn't that kind of make you a hypocrite?
No, but it makes you stupid.
I've never said I hate the government. I want it to return to what it was designed to do in the Constitution -- that document you hate so much.
Meanwhile, you've been living in America, the country you hate, your entire life.
Doesn't that kind of make you a hypocrite?
Where does it say in the constitution that you should get a pension for life beause you served once pushing papers...
We'll wait.
In fact, the first military pensions weren't instituted until after the Civil War.
Nice dodge, Dave.
But you've been collecting money from the Government you hate your entire life.
Doesn't that kind of make you a hypocrite?
No, but it makes you stupid.
I've never said I hate the government. I want it to return to what it was designed to do in the Constitution -- that document you hate so much.
Meanwhile, you've been living in America, the country you hate, your entire life.
Doesn't that kind of make you a hypocrite?
Where does it say in the constitution that you should get a pension for life beause you served once pushing papers...
We'll wait.
In fact, the first military pensions weren't instituted until after the Civil War.
Do you REALLY want to play this game?No, but it makes you stupid.
I've never said I hate the government. I want it to return to what it was designed to do in the Constitution -- that document you hate so much.
Meanwhile, you've been living in America, the country you hate, your entire life.
Doesn't that kind of make you a hypocrite?
Where does it say in the constitution that you should get a pension for life beause you served once pushing papers...
We'll wait.
In fact, the first military pensions weren't instituted until after the Civil War.
Where in the Constitution does it say government should run your healthcare?
Where in the Constitution does it say government should assign jobs?
Where in the Constitution does it say government should redistribute wealth?
You lose, kid.
No, but it makes you stupid.
I've never said I hate the government. I want it to return to what it was designed to do in the Constitution -- that document you hate so much.
Meanwhile, you've been living in America, the country you hate, your entire life.
Doesn't that kind of make you a hypocrite?
Where does it say in the constitution that you should get a pension for life beause you served once pushing papers...
We'll wait.
In fact, the first military pensions weren't instituted until after the Civil War.
Where does it say in the Constitution that people should be guaranteed health insurance?
Where does it say in the constitution that you should get a pension for life beause you served once pushing papers...
We'll wait.
In fact, the first military pensions weren't instituted until after the Civil War.
Where does it say in the Constitution that people should be guaranteed health insurance?
I don't care what the constitution says on the issue. The Constitution gave us a Congress that could invoke laws, and that's exactly what they did.
Again, I think all you guys who INSIST on Constitutional Medical Care should just get the medical care that was available in 1787. I think that involved bleeding people to remove "bad humours".
My guess, though, that if your private insurance cancelled your coverage, you and Dave would run to the nearest VA hospital and ask for treatment.
And so it goes today. If the debate is over health-care reform, it won't be long before some free-market conservative will jump up and say that the sorry shape of the nation's veterans hospitals just proves what happens when government gets into the health-care business. And if he's a true believer, he'll then probably go on to suggest, quoting William Safire and other free marketers, that the government should just shut down the whole miserable system and provide veterans with health-care vouchers.
Yet here's a curious fact that few conservatives or liberals know. Who do you think receives higher-quality health care. Medicare patients who are free to pick their own doctors and specialists? Or aging veterans stuck in those presumably filthy VA hospitals with their antiquated equipment, uncaring administrators, and incompetent staff? An answer came in 2003, when the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine published a study that compared veterans health facilities on 11 measures of quality with fee-for-service Medicare. On all 11 measures, the quality of care in veterans facilities proved to be "significantly better."
Here's another curious fact. The Annals of Internal Medicine recently published a study that compared veterans health facilities with commercial managed-care systems in their treatment of diabetes patients. In seven out of seven measures of quality, the VA provided better care.
It gets stranger. Pushed by large employers who are eager to know what they are buying when they purchase health care for their employees, an outfit called the National Committee for Quality Assurance today ranks health-care plans on 17 different performance measures. These include how well the plans manage high blood pressure or how precisely they adhere to standard protocols of evidence-based medicine such as prescribing beta blockers for patients recovering from a heart attack. Winning NCQA's seal of approval is the gold standard in the health-care industry. And who do you suppose this year's winner is: Johns Hopkins? Mayo Clinic? Massachusetts General? Nope. In every single category, the VHA system outperforms the highest rated non-VHA hospitals.
Sure.
Actually, VA hospitals are rated amongst the best in teh country, have no idea what you are talking about.
The Best Care Anywhere - Phillip Longman
And so it goes today. If the debate is over health-care reform, it won't be long before some free-market conservative will jump up and say that the sorry shape of the nation's veterans hospitals just proves what happens when government gets into the health-care business. And if he's a true believer, he'll then probably go on to suggest, quoting William Safire and other free marketers, that the government should just shut down the whole miserable system and provide veterans with health-care vouchers.
Yet here's a curious fact that few conservatives or liberals know. Who do you think receives higher-quality health care. Medicare patients who are free to pick their own doctors and specialists? Or aging veterans stuck in those presumably filthy VA hospitals with their antiquated equipment, uncaring administrators, and incompetent staff? An answer came in 2003, when the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine published a study that compared veterans health facilities on 11 measures of quality with fee-for-service Medicare. On all 11 measures, the quality of care in veterans facilities proved to be "significantly better."
Here's another curious fact. The Annals of Internal Medicine recently published a study that compared veterans health facilities with commercial managed-care systems in their treatment of diabetes patients. In seven out of seven measures of quality, the VA provided better care.
It gets stranger. Pushed by large employers who are eager to know what they are buying when they purchase health care for their employees, an outfit called the National Committee for Quality Assurance today ranks health-care plans on 17 different performance measures. These include how well the plans manage high blood pressure or how precisely they adhere to standard protocols of evidence-based medicine such as prescribing beta blockers for patients recovering from a heart attack. Winning NCQA's seal of approval is the gold standard in the health-care industry. And who do you suppose this year's winner is: Johns Hopkins? Mayo Clinic? Massachusetts General? Nope. In every single category, the VHA system outperforms the highest rated non-VHA hospitals.
Yeah,there were problems back in the 1990's after a decade of Reagan/Bush neglect.
Today they are rated the highest in the country.
Now, the main reason I don't use them is I haev an insurance plan and frankly, those resources should be there for guys who lost limbs and suffered traumatic injuries, not guys like me who shuffled paper all day.
Do you REALLY want to play this game?No, but it makes you stupid.
I've never said I hate the government. I want it to return to what it was designed to do in the Constitution -- that document you hate so much.
Meanwhile, you've been living in America, the country you hate, your entire life.
Doesn't that kind of make you a hypocrite?
Where does it say in the constitution that you should get a pension for life beause you served once pushing papers...
We'll wait.
In fact, the first military pensions weren't instituted until after the Civil War.
Where in the Constitution does it say government should run your healthcare?
Where in the Constitution does it say government should assign jobs?
Where in the Constitution does it say government should redistribute wealth?
You lose, kid.
Whatever......
I just get a kick out of this headline.......
Barack Obama, More Unpopular Than George W. Bush?
In George W. Bushs fifth year his administration was under fire for an increasingly unpopular war in Iraq and what was widely seen as a botched response to Hurricane Katrina. His approval ratings were abysmal on historic proportions, we were told.
Which is something to keep in mind when you consider that President Obamas approval ratings are now lower in his 5th year than Bushs were: Barack Obama, More Unpopular Than George W. Bush? | Say Anything
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Once again we see the profound ignorance of Joe "provide for me" B.
The Constitution specifically cites defense as the responsibility of the federal government. That authorizes them to make damn near limitless decisions about the military - including providing well deserved pensions.
I've never seen someone making weaker, more pitiful arguments than desperate Joe "provide for me" B.
