Ten Year Anniversary

[rayboyusmc]

I believe today is the ten year anniversary of the news of Monica Gate.

Questions that need to be answered:

1. Should Clinton have been impeached and convicted for his perjury about "sexual relations" with the intern?

2. Should Clinton have had the balls to say, "It's none of your frigging busines what I do with my wee wee. It's between me, my BJer and my wife.

3. Should we have continued the Whitewater Investigation, which found no legal infractions by the Clintons, into the BJ Affair and spent 70 million of our tax dollars looking for the stained blue dress.

4. Should we now spend 70 million to have a special investigator look at what George has done in his tour, or should we just believe him when he says the Dems are wasting their time in investigations?

5. Should Scooter have had his sentence commuted before serving any time for having perjured himself about outing a "covert" CIA operative.


What ever you believe, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I believe today is the ten year anniversary of the news of Monica Gate.

Questions that need to be answered:

1. Should Clinton have been impeached and convicted for his perjury about "sexual relations" with the intern?

2. Should Clinton have had the balls to say, "It's none of your frigging busines what I do with my wee wee. It's between me, my BJer and my wife.

3. Should we have continued the Whitewater Investigation, which found no legal infractions by the Clintons, into the BJ Affair and spent 70 million of our tax dollars looking for the stained blue dress.

4. Should we now spend 70 million to have a special investigator look at what George has done in his tour, or should we just believe him when he says the Dems are wasting their time in investigations?

5. Should Scooter have had his sentence commuted before serving any time for having perjured himself about outing a "covert" CIA operative.


What ever you believe, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY

So many outright ignorant statements here.

The biggest is that somehow Clinton was hounded for just having consentual sex. Lets recap shall we? He was accused of using his Office of Governer to procure employees and forcing them to have sex with him by threatening their jobs. He tried to us his position as President to prevent ever having to answer the charge. He lost that shell game and had to LEGALLY provide information in the charge.

Having sex with employees as President most definately is an appropriate avenue to pursue in that case. He knew it and chose to LIE to a sitting Judge while under oath. The impeachment proceedings where about him LYING to a Judge under oath and only relate to sex in that that happened to be what he was lying about.

And he was guilty as charged of lying under oath to a Judge. He has admitted it.

And remind me again how many minutes Clinton spent in jail for suborning perjury and committing perjury? Then remind me of how the millions he got from the x wife of a criminal had nothing to do with his back door pardon just before he left office. Scooter was a decision by a sitting President for a pardon. You want to complain about it? Then we get to complain about all the pardons that stank under Clinton.

Have a nice day.


Ohh ya just curious, if your a retired Marine, what rank and MOS? I have a theory and I want to see if in this case it applies.

 

[jillian]

I believe today is the ten year anniversary of the news of Monica Gate.

Questions that need to be answered:

1. Should Clinton have been impeached and convicted for his perjury about "sexual relations" with the intern?

2. Should Clinton have had the balls to say, "It's none of your frigging busines what I do with my wee wee. It's between me, my BJer and my wife.

3. Should we have continued the Whitewater Investigation, which found no legal infractions by the Clintons, into the BJ Affair and spent 70 million of our tax dollars looking for the stained blue dress.

4. Should we now spend 70 million to have a special investigator look at what George has done in his tour, or should we just believe him when he says the Dems are wasting their time in investigations?

5. Should Scooter have had his sentence commuted before serving any time for having perjured himself about outing a "covert" CIA operative.


What ever you believe, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY

1. No.

2. Yes.

3. No.

4. Depends on the investigation. If it's leading toward an impeachment, not really interested.

5. No. An olympic athelete just got put away for six months for doing far less than Scooter did.

As an aside, the deposition at which Clinton was less than truthful, took place in the context of the Paula Jones matter -- the only civil litigation I know of that was allowed to proceed against a sitting president during his term of office. Generally, such actions were stayed during such term and were allowed to proceed after. It was thought to be a matter of not interfering with national business over issues that had no public effect.

But the Supremes didn't feel constrained by precedent... kind of like Bush v Gore.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

1. No.

2. Yes.

3. No.

4. Depends on the investigation. If it's leading toward an impeachment, not really interested.

5. No. An olympic athelete just got put away for six months for doing far less than Scooter did.

As an aside, the deposition at which Clinton was less than truthful, took place in the context of the Paula Jones matter -- the only civil litigation I know of that was allowed to proceed against a sitting president during his term of office. Generally, such actions were stayed during such term and were allowed to proceed after. It was thought to be a matter of not interfering with national business over issues that had no public effect.

But the Supremes didn't feel constrained by precedent... kind of like Bush v Gore.

You mean the Liberal court sided against Clinton? Who would have thunk it.

 

[jillian]

You mean the Liberal court sided against Clinton? Who would have thunk it.

You mean, Rhenquist, Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy and O'Connor? Those liberals?

Oops... excuse me, was a unanimous decision.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=520&page=681

 

[Shogun]

DOH!

 

[eots]

Where are they now?


You actually care? Well she slings her biography "Monica's Story" about right and become a spokeswoman for diet company Jenny Craig

In April, 2003 she hosted of the "reality" series Mr. Personality.

Reader Mimi Adams reports that in December 2003 her application to be reimbursed $1.1 Million in her legal fees for the Starr inquiry by the American taxpayer was denied (however the taxpayer will foot the bill for Linda Tripp's lawsuit settlement).

in December 2006, Lewinsky graduated with a master's degree in Social Psychology from the London School of Economics[9] where she had been studying since September 2005.[10] Her dissertation was entitled “In Search of the Impartial Juror: An exploration of the third person effect and pre-trial publicity.”

 

[rayboyusmc]

Liberal judges are bad, conservative judges are good?

So many outright ignorant statements here.

The biggest is that somehow Clinton was hounded for just having consentual sex.

Is it an ignorant statement to make a statement that isn't true? Where did I say he was hounded for just having sex? My view is quite the opposite. He was hounded because he was Clinton and there are a part of the right wing who hates and fears Clinton. They are still doing it today with Hillary. Rove is back to his old games.

What started out as a Whitewater investigation, turned into a fishing expedition by Starr. Eventually the got him for perjury about a blow job. I personally think he was wrong as a leader and a husband to let Monica play taps on his wee wee, but that was his business not mine or yours. That is not saying what you state above.

His failure was that when caught in a corner, he didn't tell them all to screw off. He failed and he lied.

My point about Scooter is that he was involved in a act the involved treasonous behavior. Revealing the identity of a covert agent in the CIA is a crime far more serious than a lie about a blow job.


As to your question. LtCol, 21 years, 8 months and 3 days. 7562.

I have a theory about a person's ability to assimilate new data that may conflict his or her current value system. It however has nothing to do with rank or MOS. Authoritarian conservative personality types, like the kinds described by John Dean, "Conservatives Without Conscience" do not deal well with change.

Actually, there were no statements. Only questions, Gunny.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Liberal judges are bad, conservative judges are good?




Is it an ignorant statement to make a statement that isn't true? Where did I say he was hounded for just having sex? My view is quite the opposite. He was hounded because he was Clinton and there are a part of the right wing who hates and fears Clinton. They are still doing it today with Hillary. Rove is back to his old games.

What started out as a Whitewater investigation, turned into a fishing expedition by Starr. Eventually the got him for perjury about a blow job. I personally think he was wrong as a leader and a husband to let Monica play taps on his wee wee, but that was his business not mine or yours. That is not saying what you state above.

His failure was that when caught in a corner, he didn't tell them all to screw off. He failed and he lied.

My point about Scooter is that he was involved in a act the involved treasonous behavior. Revealing the identity of a covert agent in the CIA is a crime far more serious than a lie about a blow job.


As to your question. LtCol, 21 years, 8 months and 3 days. 7562.

I have a theory about a person's ability to assimilate new data that may conflict his or her current value system. It however has nothing to do with rank or MOS. Authoritarian conservative personality types, like the kinds described by John Dean, "Conservatives Without Conscience" do not deal well with change.

Actually, there were no statements. Only questions, Gunny.

She was not a Covert agent. And he was NEVER tried or convicted on such a charge. In fact the person that actually "outed" her was given a free pass. He was tried on the crime of Perjury, just as Billy should have been. In the case of Clinton we KNOW he lied and he walked clear on the charge. Scooter got 2 and a half years and never admitted to perjury, he argued he simply forgot certain things, which is evident in his statements to the special Prosecutor. Scooter was hounded illegally for 2 years before perjury was charged against him, go read the law, one can NOT conduct an investigation in the manner his was conducted on the sole charge of Perjury.

And you do fit my theory. But then I suspected as much already.

 

[eots]

I AM MUCH MORE CONCERNED WITH THIS ADMITTED LIE ..LISTEN TO HOW HIM AND HIS CRONIES CHUCKLE OVER HOW HE DECEIVED THE DUMBED DOWN VOTERS.....

Dick Cheney ex-director of CFR talks to David Rockefeller

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg[/ame]

cheney you make me sick you fucking socialist scumbag leech !!!!!

 

[Paulie]

I AM MUCH MORE CONCERNED WITH THIS ADMITTED LIE ..LISTEN TO HOW HIM AND HIS CRONIES CHUCKLE OVER HOW HE DECEIVED THE DUMBED DOWN VOTERS.....

Dick Cheney ex-director of CFR talks to David Rockefeller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg

cheney you make me sick you fucking socialist scumbag leech !!!!!

For only 2 minutes of your time, I have to admit that this is a must watch, and its pretty damning.

Raise your hand if you watched that, and you condone it?

 

[rayboyusmc]

She was a covert agent. Even Hayden admits it. The right lied to make it look like it wasn't important. Because her identity was revealed, an on-going CIA operation was shut down.

Glad your theory was proved right to yourself, Gunny. What was your MOS and how long have you been retired?

By the way:

Newly released unclassified document details CIA employment
NBC VIDEO

By Joel Seidman
Producer
NBC News
updated 4:24 p.m. ET, Tues., May. 29, 2007
WASHINGTON - An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.

The summary is part of an attachment to Fitzgerald's memorandum to the court supporting his recommendation that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former top aide, spend 2-1/2 to 3 years in prison for obstructing the CIA leak investigation.

The nature of Plame's CIA employment never came up in Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice trial.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/

Subject: Re: Valerie Plame Covert Status
Answered By: denco-ga on 04 Sep 2006 12:51 PDT

Howdy ninapearl-ga,

According to this Newsweek article titled "The CIA Leak: Plame Was Still
Covert" by Michael Isikoff and dated Feb. 13, 2006, special prosecutor
Patrick Fitzgerald made a determination on this matter.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11179719/site/newsweek/

"But special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald found that Plame had indeed
done 'covert work overseas' on counterproliferation matters in the past
five years, and the CIA 'was making specific efforts to conceal' her
identity, according to newly released portions of a judge's opinion."

US Code (USC) TITLE 50, CHAPTER 15, SUBCHAPTER IV, § 426, (4) covers one
definition of being a covert agent.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00000426----000-.html

"The term 'covert agent' means—
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or
a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an
intelligence agency—
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified
information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five
years served outside the United States; ..."

Under the above definition and the assertion by Patrick Fitzgerald, Valerie
Plame, also know as Valerie Wilson, was considered a CIA covert agent when
Robert Novak's July 14, 2003 column was published in the Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102000874.html

"Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an agency
operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials
told me that Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate the
Italian report. The CIA says its counterproliferation officials selected
Wilson and asked his wife to contact him."

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=762144

This will be a bitter pill for some conservatives to swallow. CIA Director Michael Hayden personally reviewed and okayed Henry Waxman's opening statement for Valerie Plame's testimony today. Furthermore, Hayden took pains to set the record straight: Plame was indeed a covert agent up until the day Robert Novak revealed as much to the public.

http://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/03/16/cia-director-hayden-valerie-plame-was-covert-agent/

So maybe she was covert?

 

[rayboyusmc]

I went back and read you post again.

Prosecutor. Scooter was hounded illegally for 2 years before perjury was charged against him, go read the law, one can NOT conduct an investigation in the manner his was conducted on the sole charge of Perjury.

Unfriggingbelievable. I seriously doubt that you and I will see eye to eye on many issues like this.

You would seem to fit my theory also.

Have a grape day.

 

[midcan5]

Lieutenant Colonel, good post.

No, yes, no, no, no.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I went back and read you post again.



Unfriggingbelievable. I seriously doubt that you and I will see eye to eye on many issues like this.

You would seem to fit my theory also.

Have a grape day.

Once again you have stated an outright lie. You have claimed Libby was a traitor and was convicted of a crime involving the same. He was never even CHARGED with outing her. Why? Because he didn't do it. The man that DID do it was questioned once and let go with no action ever even contemplated against him.

Yet for two years they questioned Libby about who outed her, when they already knew the answer. In other words they questioned him for 2 years in order to trap him in some other charge, specifically Perjury. Read the law, THAT is illegal.

He did not out her and he was NEVER accused of outing her nor charged with such. He was never convicted of any such crime.

 

[Gunny]

I believe today is the ten year anniversary of the news of Monica Gate.

Questions that need to be answered:

1. Should Clinton have been impeached and convicted for his perjury about "sexual relations" with the intern?

2. Should Clinton have had the balls to say, "It's none of your frigging busines what I do with my wee wee. It's between me, my BJer and my wife.

3. Should we have continued the Whitewater Investigation, which found no legal infractions by the Clintons, into the BJ Affair and spent 70 million of our tax dollars looking for the stained blue dress.

4. Should we now spend 70 million to have a special investigator look at what George has done in his tour, or should we just believe him when he says the Dems are wasting their time in investigations?

5. Should Scooter have had his sentence commuted before serving any time for having perjured himself about outing a "covert" CIA operative.


What ever you believe, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY

1,2 & 3 ... I think the Whitewater investigation should NOT have been deflected from investigating Whitewater.

I do not thing Monica was worth the deflection; however, I DO consider Clinton's conduct inappropriate. Telling people "it's none of your business" doesn't cut it for the President of the US.

Inappropriate or not, he set himself up for impeachment by perjuring himself. I don't know that carrying through with impeachment was worth the little it accomplished.

4. No, we shouldn't waste $70M trying to dig something up on GW anymore than we should have wasted however much diverting a legit investigation to Monicagate, anymore than Congress should be racking up a colossal bill investigation Steroids in Baseball.

5. SUre Libby's sentence should have been commuted. He got railroaded. And he was not convicted for "outting" Plame. He was convicted for the same thing Clinton got impeached for.

 

[rayboyusmc]

You didn't answer my post that she WAS COVERT.

Yet for two years they questioned Libby about who outed her, when they already knew the answer. In other words they questioned him for 2 years in order to trap him in some other charge, specifically Perjury. Read the law, THAT is illegal.

How many years did they hound Clinton before he got caught lying about his sexual misconduct versus the original scope of the investigation. If one is wrong so is the other.

WASHINGTON -- I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney and an architect of the Iraq war, was convicted yesterday of obstruction of justice and perjury in a case that highlighted the White House's effort to sell the war, revealed how a CIA agent's cover was blown, and forced some of the city's most influential journalists to disclose their sources on the witness stand.


Libby, 56, the key adviser to Cheney and an Oval Office insider, was convicted of lying to prosecutors who were trying to determine if top Bush administration officials leaked the identity of former CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson -- purported retaliation for her husband's contention that the Bush administration twisted intelligence facts to justify the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

http://tinyurl.com/2hlsd2


He obstructed justice and hindered the investigation that was trying to find out what the facts where about the leaking of a covert agent's identification. If I knowlingly try to stop the legal system from finding out the facts of a "treasonous act" like this, I have culpability. Screw the right wing bull that he was picked on. You sound just like Kate O'Berne from NR, who was having a hissy fit and lying also about Plame not being covert.

Perjury over a BJ is not the frigging same as perjury over outing a CIA agent.

But have a great day anyway. Hell, the way Bush has screwed things up, we may be called back to active duty and have to serve together.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You didn't answer my post that she WAS COVERT.



How many years did they hound Clinton before he got caught lying about his sexual misconduct versus the original scope of the investigation. If one is wrong so is the other.



http://tinyurl.com/2hlsd2


He obstructed justice and hindered the investigation that was trying to find out what the facts where about the leaking of a covert agent's identification. If I knowlingly try to stop the legal system from finding out the facts of a "treasonous act" like this, I have culpability. Screw the right wing bull that he was picked on. You sound just like Kate O'Berne from NR, who was having a hissy fit and lying also about Plame not being covert.

Perjury over a BJ is not the frigging same as perjury over outing a CIA agent.

But have a great day anyway. Hell, the way Bush has screwed things up, we may be called back to active duty and have to serve together.

They already KNEW who outed her. Armitage admitted HE did it. Early on in the investigation. How did Libby obstruct anything when they already KNEW what happened? The prosecutor couldn't NOT prosecute someone and he had already let the guilty party slide, he had to fabricate charges to justify his expending all that money and time after he had already found the answer.

As for Clinton he lied to protect his ass from civil and possibly criminal charges. It had nothing to do with protecting his family or just lying about sex. Starr did not have anything to do with the Jones case.

 

[AllieBaba]

I look at this thread, and I think...

"And yet the liberals are always screeching that WE'RE the ones who won't let this crap die."