Ted Cruz Natural Born ?

Is Ted Cruz eligible ?

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    Votes: 14 46.7%
  • no

    Votes: 10 33.3%
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    Votes: 6 20.0%

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The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues Obama Social Security Numbers

THE MYSTERY OF BARACK OBAMA CONTINUES
By Steve Baldwin for the Western Center for Journalism

Most Americans don’t realize we have elected a president whom we know very little about.


Researchers have discovered that Obama’s autobiographical books are little more than PR stunts, as they have little to do with the actual events of his life. The fact is we know less about President Obama than perhaps any other president in American history and much of this is due to actual efforts to hide his record. This should concern all Americans.

A nation-wide network of researchers has sprung up to attempt to fill in the blanks, but at every opportunity Obama’s high-priced lawyers have built walls around various records or simply made them disappear. It is estimated that Obama’s legal team has now spent well over $1.4 million dollars blocking access to documents every American should have access to. The question is why would he spend so much money to do this?

The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.

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Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted. .)

You've tried this approach several times now. It is not working for you, dimwit.

LOL! Oh scamp, that's not an approach.

That's just me noting that you failed to sustain your position. And accepting that failure as you, just being what you are.

But you had no way to know that... . As a Moderator in this very site recently noted:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!®
 
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Cuban father.... born in Canada ?

Redux Trump Goes Birther Again He Will Have To Clear Up His Article II Presidential Eligibility - Birther Report

of course the real story here is the obots and the press, and the fun we will have watching them back peddle. their platform of crying racist will disappear, when an authentic birther as myself, says what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Cruz is a republican to boot.

The OBOTS were/are still so desperate to sell an obama provenance, they never saw this coming, a day when the proverbial shoe is on the other political foot. they were so worried that they waved at changing the constitution. they invented a definition of natural born, complete with phony court precedents.

we as a country need to have this conversation. and don't worry Obots, i won't call you racist if you don't vote for cruz.

Trump? he's zany, but unfettered in his discourse.

Um.....Wash? Trump isn't an 'Obot'.

There's only natural born (citizen at birth) and naturalized (citizen after birth). There is no third kind. Cruz was a citizen at birth and is thus natural born. Just like Obama.

If you'd like to discuss natural born citizenship, I'd be happy to do so. But I warn you in advance, I'm familiar with most of the major birther arguments. So you may not enjoy the conversation that much.

Could you provide a brief summary of the law concerning natural born citizenship and Presidential eligibility? Thanks.

There has never been a true review of the law by any court that I know of, and there is no predetermined definition as to what natural born citizen constitutes.
 
The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues Obama Social Security Numbers

THE MYSTERY OF BARACK OBAMA CONTINUES
By Steve Baldwin for the Western Center for Journalism

Most Americans don’t realize we have elected a president whom we know very little about.


Researchers have discovered that Obama’s autobiographical books are little more than PR stunts, as they have little to do with the actual events of his life. The fact is we know less about President Obama than perhaps any other president in American history and much of this is due to actual efforts to hide his record. This should concern all Americans.

A nation-wide network of researchers has sprung up to attempt to fill in the blanks, but at every opportunity Obama’s high-priced lawyers have built walls around various records or simply made them disappear. It is estimated that Obama’s legal team has now spent well over $1.4 million dollars blocking access to documents every American should have access to. The question is why would he spend so much money to do this?

The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.

What is he hiding? Well, for starters, some of these records will shed light on his citizenship and birth.


For example, Obama’s application to Punahou School – now mysteriously missing – would likely contain a birth certificate. And,
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according to attorney Gary Kreep, “his Occidental College records are important as they may show he attended there as a foreign exchange student.” Indeed, Obama used his Indonesian name “Barry Soetoro” while attending Occidental. Kreep has filed lawsuits challenging Obama’s eligibility to be president and as part of his lawsuit he requested Obama’s records from Occidental. However, Obama’s lawyers quickly moved to stop Occidental from honoring this request.

Furthermore, now that at least three document authentication experts have declared the scanned “Certificate of Live Birth” Obama’s campaign team gave to a pro-Obama website to be an obvious phony; we know that he is hiding something here as well.

Over 49 separate law suits have been filed on the eligibility/birth certificate issue alone, with several of the suits making it all the way the United States Supreme Court, only to be denied a full hearing.

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Pictured: Saudi Prince Al-Walid bin Talah

What’s more, there are questions about how he paid for his Harvard Law School education since, despite a claim by Michele Obama, no one has produced any evidence that he received student loans. The Obamas will not release any student loan details despite repeated requests from the Chicago Tribune. However, it appears that his Harvard education may have been paid for by a foreign source. Khalid Al-Mansour, an advisor to Saudi prince Al-Walid bin Talah, told Manhattan Borough president, Percy Sutton, that he was raising money for Obama’s Harvard tuition. Incidentally, Prince Tala is the largest donor to CAIR, a Muslim group declared by the U.S. Government in 2007 as an unindicted co-conspirator in a terrorist financing trial. At least three of CAIR’s leaders have been indicted for terrorist activities. Al-Mansour’s admission opens up speculation as to whether Muslim interests have assisted Obama’s career in the hope he would eventually be in a position someday to promote their interests.

More recently, it was discovered that Obama’s Selective Service card may have been doctored. Federal law requires all American males to register for the Selective Service (the draft) in case a major war broke out. Blogger Debbie Schlussel has discovered solid evidence that Obama’s Selective Service registration form was submitted not when he was younger as required, but rather in 2008 and then altered to look older. Indeed, the forgers forgot to alter the “Document Location Number” which shows that it is clearly a 2008 form. This is fraud and it’s a felony and Schlussel’s allegations are backed up by Stephen Coffman, a former high-ranking Federal agent. Moreover, the document shows a September 4th, 1980 date and the location of the transaction as Hawaii, but at that time Obama was thousands of miles away attending Occidental College in Los Angeles.

The real reason why Obama probably did not submit this form as a teenager is that he assumed his Kenyan or Indonesian citizenship exempted him from this requirement. But clearly, as he grew older and entered politics, he saw that any documents revealing a foreign birth – Selective Service registration, birth certificate, school applications, etc – would be problematic if he ran for the presidency. Thus, it is not a coincidence that every document which contains information about his birth or citizenship is either missing, sealed, or has been altered.

Indeed, everywhere one looks into Obama’s background, we find sealed records, scrubbed websites, altered documents, deception and unanswered questions. Can anyone imagine for a second if John McCain or George Bush had blocked access to his school, medical, and birth records? It would have been headlines in their case, but as with everything else concerning Obama, the media has given him a pass on this.

Of all these marvels, the latest mystery and probably most perplexing is that of Obama’s social security number. It appears that Obama has multiple identities in term of possessing numerous social security numbers. Orly Taitz, an attorney who has filed numerous suits against Obama regarding his eligibility to serve as president, appears to have been the first to discover this. In her suit, representing a number of military officers who are refusing to serve under an ineligible commander in chief, she hired private investigator Neil Sankey to conduct research on Obama’s prior addresses and Social Society numbers. Using Intelius, Lexis Nexis, Choice Point and other public records, Sankey found around 25 Social Security numbers connected with Obama’s name.

However, it may not be as many as 25, since Sankey also searched using closely related names such as: “Barak Obama,” “Batock Obama,” “Barok Obama,” and “Barrack Obama.” There may very well be some Kenyans living in America with the same last name and a similar first name. In any case, I will exclude these records for the purpose of this research and focus only on names spelled exactly like his name. Moreover, we can verify many of the Social Security numbers as valid since they’re connected to addresses at which we know Obama resided. Needless to say, there are also a slew of address and social security numbers connected to addresses in states that Obama has no known connection to.

In Obama’s home state, Illinois, Sankey tracked down 16 different addresses for a Barack Obama or a Barack H. Obama, of which all are addresses he was known to have lived at. Two Social Security numbers appear for these addresses, one beginning with 042 and one starting 364.

In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, there are six addresses listed for him, all within easy driving distance of the college. However, there are three Social Security numbers connected to these addresses, 537 and two others, each beginning with 999.

There are no addresses listed in New York where he attended Columbia University, but there is one listed for him in nearby Jackson, NJ, with a Social Security number beginning with 485.

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713 Hart Senate Office Building

In Massachusetts – where Obama attended Harvard Law School – we find three addresses, all using the 042 Social Security number. After Obama was elected to the United States Senate in 2005, he moved into an apartment at 300 Massachusetts Ave NW; the Social Security number attached to that address is the 042 one. Yet, three years later, Obama used a different Social Security number for an address listed as: 713 Hart Senate Office Building. This was the address of his United States Senate office. This Social Security number began with 282 and was verified by the government in 2008.

This mystery grows even stranger as other addresses and Social Security numbers for Barack Obama appear in a dozen other states not known to be connected to him. Again, I am excluding those records names not spelled exactly like his name.

  • Tennessee, one address with a Social Security number beginning with 427
  • Colorado, one address, with a Social Security number beginning with 456.
  • Utah, two addresses, with two Social Security numbers beginning with 901 and 799.
  • Missouri has one address and one Social Security number beginning with 999.
  • Florida has two addresses listed for his him, three if you count one listed as “Barry Obama.” One is connected to a Social Security number beginning with 762.
  • In Georgia there are three addresses listed for him, all with different Social Security numbers: 579, 420, and 423.
  • In Texas there are four different addresses listed for him, one is connected to Social Security number 675.
  • There are two addresses listed for Barack Obama in Oregon and one address listed for him in the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, South Carolina, and Pennsylvania.
All told, there are 49 addresses and 16 different Social Security numbers listed for a person whose name is spelled “Barack Obama.” In some cases, the middle initial “H” is listed. If you were to expand the search to include closely related names such as: “Barac,” “Barak,” and “Barrack” Obama, you would find more than a dozen additional addresses and Social Security numbers.

Finally, the one Social Security number Obama most frequently used, the one beginning with 042, is a number issued in Connecticut sometime during 1976-1977, yet there is no record of Obama ever living or working in Connecticut. Indeed, during this time period Obama would have been 15-16 years old and living in Hawaii at the time.

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Ann, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham

Nevertheless, all this mystery surrounding Obama appears to be a generational thing. Researchers have discovered nearly a dozen aliases, at least two different Social Security numbers, and upwards of over 99 separate addresses for Ann Dunham, his mother. We do know she worked for the ultra liberal Ford Foundation but we also know she may have earned some income from pornographic poses, as evidenced by photos recently discovered by some researchers—how embarrassing. The only thing researchers are able to find out about Obama’s mother is the fact she made porn. I’m sure that’s a first for presidential mothers.

But we also know that Obama’s mother and grandparents associated with Communist Party leaders such as Frank Marshall Davis, a man who, according to Obama’s book, Dreams from my Father, was his main mentor during much of his Hawaiian boyhood (although Obama tried to disguise his identity in his book). During the Cold War, Davis was named by congressional investigators as a key member of a secretive pro-Soviet networked that existed in Hawaii at that time.

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Communist Party leader, Frank Marshall Davis

The lack of documents regarding Obama also extends to his mother and to his grandparents. Indeed, researchers have been unable to find marriage licenses for his mother’s two marriages, assuming she was ever legally married. Ditto goes for the marriage license for Ann’s parents. They cannot find birth certificates for her, her parents, or for even for her grandparents. Even more so, despite Obama’s boast of his grandfather’s military service, there’s no record of that either. For reasons no one knows, much of Obama’s life, his mother’s life and his grandparent’s life has been erased from the records as if they never existed.

But why would someone obtain so many Social Security numbers? According to investigators, those who create additional Social Society numbers are typically engaged in criminal activities such as Social Security fraud, tax fraud, real estate fraud, campaign

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Barrack Obama and his Grandmother, Madelyn Dunham.

“Madeline Dunham was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court probate department and had access to the Social Security numbers of deceased people.

contributions fraud, voter fraud and so on. While the private investigator who compiled this list says multiple social security numbers does not automatically prove there’s criminal activity involved, he states that “having said that, I have personally experienced many, many cases where such information has led to subsequent exposure of fraud, deception, money laundering and other crimes.“What is interesting to note is that Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court probate department and had access to the Social Security numbers of deceased people.

It is clear that more research needs to be done on this issue. The Western Center for Journalism

( Western Journalism - News For Freedom Lovers is inviting readers to join the search for the truth. If you have any information about any of the addresses listed, they would love to hear from you. To find a complete list of all the addresses and Social Security numbers listed in the public record for Obama and family, please go to the Western Center for Journalism.

The more ya learn... the more it becomes clear that the Ideological Left, from the lowliest Liberal to the mouthiest humanist among the Advocacy to Normalize Sexual Abnormality, have foolishly used their vote to cripple the United States.
 
What explanation requires multiple typewriters?

The one wherein a 'Certified Copy' of a document contains multiple fonts and font sizes. Which for those keeping score, is YOUR 'explanation'.
So what if multiple typewriters were used? That's your evidence that it's fake? You surrender your position with such an absurd claim of dismissing the birth certificate supplied by the state of Hawaii.
 
The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.

He hasn't spent a penny to keep any of those 'sealed'. Those documents are as public for Obama as they are anyone else.

What is he hiding? Well, for starters, some of these records will shed light on his citizenship and birth

Hawaii already did that when they affirmed he was born in Hawaii. You simply ignored them.

And your willful ignorance doesn't create a mystery. Just confirms your stupidity.

For example, Obama’s application to Punahou School – now mysteriously missing – would likely contain a birth certificate.

Who says that Obama's application to Punahou School would contain a birth certificate? Nobody.

And its 'mysterious' that a school that Obama went to more than 40 years ago doesn't still have his application? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why would the school keep applications for 40 years? And does the school have the same records for anyone else? If no, then how is it 'mysterious' that they don't have them for Obama?

And why aren't you asking these questions?

ant as they may show he attended there as a foreign exchange student.” Indeed, Obama used his Indonesian name “Barry Soetoro” while attending Occidental. Kreep has filed lawsuits challenging Obama’s eligibility to be president and as part of his lawsuit he requested Obama’s records from Occidental.

Says who? Show us the evidence that Obama used his Indonesian name "Barry Soetoror' while attending Occidental.

You.....you can't back that claim with anything, can you? Nor did it ever occur to you to ask for any evidence.

Sigh.....and that's why Birthers are a national laughing stock.
 
Cuban father.... born in Canada ?

Redux Trump Goes Birther Again He Will Have To Clear Up His Article II Presidential Eligibility - Birther Report

of course the real story here is the obots and the press, and the fun we will have watching them back peddle. their platform of crying racist will disappear, when an authentic birther as myself, says what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Cruz is a republican to boot.

The OBOTS were/are still so desperate to sell an obama provenance, they never saw this coming, a day when the proverbial shoe is on the other political foot. they were so worried that they waved at changing the constitution. they invented a definition of natural born, complete with phony court precedents.

we as a country need to have this conversation. and don't worry Obots, i won't call you racist if you don't vote for cruz.

Trump? he's zany, but unfettered in his discourse.

Um.....Wash? Trump isn't an 'Obot'.

There's only natural born (citizen at birth) and naturalized (citizen after birth). There is no third kind. Cruz was a citizen at birth and is thus natural born. Just like Obama.

If you'd like to discuss natural born citizenship, I'd be happy to do so. But I warn you in advance, I'm familiar with most of the major birther arguments. So you may not enjoy the conversation that much.

Could you provide a brief summary of the law concerning natural born citizenship and Presidential eligibility? Thanks.

There has never been a true review of the law by any court that I know of, and there is no predetermined definition as to what natural born citizen constitutes.

There's never been a definitive ruling, no. The closest the courts ever came was Wong Kim Ark v. the US where the courts found that English Common Law was the lens through which constitutional terms should be defined. With natural born status following location of birth, even to non-citizen parents in English Common Law.
 
Cuban father.... born in Canada ?

Redux Trump Goes Birther Again He Will Have To Clear Up His Article II Presidential Eligibility - Birther Report

of course the real story here is the obots and the press, and the fun we will have watching them back peddle. their platform of crying racist will disappear, when an authentic birther as myself, says what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Cruz is a republican to boot.

The OBOTS were/are still so desperate to sell an obama provenance, they never saw this coming, a day when the proverbial shoe is on the other political foot. they were so worried that they waved at changing the constitution. they invented a definition of natural born, complete with phony court precedents.

we as a country need to have this conversation. and don't worry Obots, i won't call you racist if you don't vote for cruz.

Trump? he's zany, but unfettered in his discourse.

Um.....Wash? Trump isn't an 'Obot'.

There's only natural born (citizen at birth) and naturalized (citizen after birth). There is no third kind. Cruz was a citizen at birth and is thus natural born. Just like Obama.

If you'd like to discuss natural born citizenship, I'd be happy to do so. But I warn you in advance, I'm familiar with most of the major birther arguments. So you may not enjoy the conversation that much.

Could you provide a brief summary of the law concerning natural born citizenship and Presidential eligibility? Thanks.

There has never been a true review of the law by any court that I know of, and there is no predetermined definition as to what natural born citizen constitutes.

The term explains itself... a natural born citizen is one who becomes a citizen, naturally, as a consequence of their birth.

It's not like there are a number of ways to become a natural born citizen. And this without regard to the braying of the Left, who claim otherwise.

Most US Citizens are natural born citizens. And that is NOT a result of their having been born here, it is a result of their parents, being citizens, having conceived them.

It's is much the same for Americans. One is not enough to simply be a US Citizen. To "BE" an American, one must recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles that define America.

And again, this is without regard to those who oppose the principles that define America... who claim otherwise; as their nature is to deceive, through fraudulence, toward the purpose of influencing the ignorant.
 
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Cuban father.... born in Canada ?

Redux Trump Goes Birther Again He Will Have To Clear Up His Article II Presidential Eligibility - Birther Report

of course the real story here is the obots and the press, and the fun we will have watching them back peddle. their platform of crying racist will disappear, when an authentic birther as myself, says what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Cruz is a republican to boot.

The OBOTS were/are still so desperate to sell an obama provenance, they never saw this coming, a day when the proverbial shoe is on the other political foot. they were so worried that they waved at changing the constitution. they invented a definition of natural born, complete with phony court precedents.

we as a country need to have this conversation. and don't worry Obots, i won't call you racist if you don't vote for cruz.

Trump? he's zany, but unfettered in his discourse.

Um.....Wash? Trump isn't an 'Obot'.

There's only natural born (citizen at birth) and naturalized (citizen after birth). There is no third kind. Cruz was a citizen at birth and is thus natural born. Just like Obama.

If you'd like to discuss natural born citizenship, I'd be happy to do so. But I warn you in advance, I'm familiar with most of the major birther arguments. So you may not enjoy the conversation that much.

Could you provide a brief summary of the law concerning natural born citizenship and Presidential eligibility? Thanks.

There has never been a true review of the law by any court that I know of, and there is no predetermined definition as to what natural born citizen constitutes.

The term explains itself... a natural born citizen is one who became a citizen through natural process of their birth.


Which occured whenever a child was born under the jurisdiction of US law in the age of the founders.

"The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called "ligealty," "obedience," "faith," or "power" of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the King's dominions, were not natural-born subjects because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the King.

Wong Kim Ark v. US (1898)

Where even children of aliens born under the King's allegiance were 'natural born'.

And as the court found, English Common law was the source to use when defining constitutional terms.

There is no common law of the United States, in the sense of a national customary law, distinct from the common law of England as adopted by the several States each for itself, applied as its local law, and subject to such alteration as may be provided by its own statutes. . . . There is, however, one clear exception to the statement that there is no national common law. The interpretation of the Constitution of the United States is necessarily influenced by the fact that its provisions are framed in the language of the English common law, and are to be read in the light of its history.

Wong Kim Ark v. US (1898)

And since 'natural born' status under the constitution is a legal issue, the standards of law are the only ones that matter. Your personal definition is simply irrelevant.

So why would an objective person ignore the law and its definitions when determining legal definitions?

There is no reason.

It's not like there are a number of means to become a natural born citizen. There is only one way and that way is that one's birth was the result of the joining of two citizens, as the natural result of their joining, is a citizen.

Says you, citing yourself. And you're nobody.
 
Cuban father.... born in Canada ?

Redux Trump Goes Birther Again He Will Have To Clear Up His Article II Presidential Eligibility - Birther Report

of course the real story here is the obots and the press, and the fun we will have watching them back peddle. their platform of crying racist will disappear, when an authentic birther as myself, says what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Cruz is a republican to boot.

The OBOTS were/are still so desperate to sell an obama provenance, they never saw this coming, a day when the proverbial shoe is on the other political foot. they were so worried that they waved at changing the constitution. they invented a definition of natural born, complete with phony court precedents.

we as a country need to have this conversation. and don't worry Obots, i won't call you racist if you don't vote for cruz.

Trump? he's zany, but unfettered in his discourse.

Um.....Wash? Trump isn't an 'Obot'.

There's only natural born (citizen at birth) and naturalized (citizen after birth). There is no third kind. Cruz was a citizen at birth and is thus natural born. Just like Obama.

If you'd like to discuss natural born citizenship, I'd be happy to do so. But I warn you in advance, I'm familiar with most of the major birther arguments. So you may not enjoy the conversation that much.

Could you provide a brief summary of the law concerning natural born citizenship and Presidential eligibility? Thanks.

There has never been a true review of the law by any court that I know of, and there is no predetermined definition as to what natural born citizen constitutes.

The term explains itself... a natural born citizen is one who becomes a citizen, naturally, as a consequence of their birth.

It's not like there are a number of ways to become a natural born citizen. And this without regard to the braying of the Left, who claim otherwise.

Most US Citizens are natural born citizens. And that is NOT a result of their having been born here, it is a result of their parents, being citizens, having conceived them.

It's is much the same for Americans. One is not enough to simply be a US Citizen. To "BE" an American, one must recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles that define America.

And again, this is without regard to those who oppose the principles that define America... who claim otherwise; as their nature is to deceive, through fraudulence, toward the purpose of influencing the ignorant.
Well thank goodness we have you to explain that definition for us, eh? Who needs the U.S.S.C.?
 
LOL- Birthers- and their invented definition of Natural Born citizen.

Meanwhile all Americans know that anyone born in the United States is a natural born citizen, other than the children of diplomats.

Isn't it cool how they deny the reasoning, without any mean to offer any contesting point of view?
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Reasoning? Birthers are immune to reason. Or the facts.

To what reason are you referring?

Have you provided any evidence which could lead an objective individual to conclude that the copies of the Certs are of a legitimate document?

(Psst... I've read your content and the answer is that you've not done so. So far your argument appeals to any of several consistently applied deflections from the argument. Meaning that your entire position, is wholly fallacious.)

You would have no clue what an 'objective individual' would conclude.

However every objective individual is quite satisfied that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

From the voters to Congress, from Chief Justice Roberts to various Secretaries of States.

That you can't accept it- won't accept it- is just amusing.

That's the part that's so funny. These idiot birthers insist that they're refusal to accept Obama as the legitimate president of the united states creates a controversy.

Nope. Willful ignorance creates no constitutional crisis. Though it is an endless source of amusement for those of us that love to point and laugh at birthers.





They believe that the world revolves around them and their beliefs alone.

Which is why they believe that there's a constitutional crisis.

Reality and the world they live in are two very different things.

Like I said earlier, they're a special kind of stupid.
 
They believe that the world revolves around them and their beliefs alone.

Pretty much. I remember Keys lost his shit and refused to speak to me for about a week when I didn't accept that his religious faith was objective truth.

You're talking about folks who believe, genuinely believe, that whatever they imagine *must* be fact. That's why they keep quoting themselves on....well, everything.

Like I said earlier, they're a special kind of stupid.

Folks really tend to overlook 'just stupid'. They keep overthinking it, trying to come up with issues of perspective or societal trust or political motivation to explain the stunning tin foil wingnuttery of Birtherism.

But sometimes an idiot is just idiot. And the reason these fools keep gobbling this conspiracy batshit....is they're a special kind of stupid.
 
Cuban father.... born in Canada ?

Redux Trump Goes Birther Again He Will Have To Clear Up His Article II Presidential Eligibility - Birther Report

of course the real story here is the obots and the press, and the fun we will have watching them back peddle. their platform of crying racist will disappear, when an authentic birther as myself, says what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Cruz is a republican to boot.

The OBOTS were/are still so desperate to sell an obama provenance, they never saw this coming, a day when the proverbial shoe is on the other political foot. they were so worried that they waved at changing the constitution. they invented a definition of natural born, complete with phony court precedents.

we as a country need to have this conversation. and don't worry Obots, i won't call you racist if you don't vote for cruz.

Trump? he's zany, but unfettered in his discourse.

Um.....Wash? Trump isn't an 'Obot'.

There's only natural born (citizen at birth) and naturalized (citizen after birth). There is no third kind. Cruz was a citizen at birth and is thus natural born. Just like Obama.

If you'd like to discuss natural born citizenship, I'd be happy to do so. But I warn you in advance, I'm familiar with most of the major birther arguments. So you may not enjoy the conversation that much.

Could you provide a brief summary of the law concerning natural born citizenship and Presidential eligibility? Thanks.

There has never been a true review of the law by any court that I know of, and there is no predetermined definition as to what natural born citizen constitutes.

There's never been a definitive ruling, no. The closest the courts ever came was Wong Kim Ark v. the US where the courts found that English Common Law was the lens through which constitutional terms should be defined. With natural born status following location of birth, even to non-citizen parents in English Common Law.

Absolute NONSENSE~!

Of course, such courts are often comprised of fools, which is readily demonstrated by the irrational 'decisions' which they've made; ROE being of course the pinnacle of such in modern times... side by side with those who have found a 'wall of separation between church and state...'.

Such come from the braying relativists...

Oh well... .

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Deceit, FRAUD and Ignorance: The Fundamental Elements of Socialism.
 
Cuban father.... born in Canada ?

Redux Trump Goes Birther Again He Will Have To Clear Up His Article II Presidential Eligibility - Birther Report

of course the real story here is the obots and the press, and the fun we will have watching them back peddle. their platform of crying racist will disappear, when an authentic birther as myself, says what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Cruz is a republican to boot.

The OBOTS were/are still so desperate to sell an obama provenance, they never saw this coming, a day when the proverbial shoe is on the other political foot. they were so worried that they waved at changing the constitution. they invented a definition of natural born, complete with phony court precedents.

we as a country need to have this conversation. and don't worry Obots, i won't call you racist if you don't vote for cruz.

Trump? he's zany, but unfettered in his discourse.

Um.....Wash? Trump isn't an 'Obot'.

There's only natural born (citizen at birth) and naturalized (citizen after birth). There is no third kind. Cruz was a citizen at birth and is thus natural born. Just like Obama.

If you'd like to discuss natural born citizenship, I'd be happy to do so. But I warn you in advance, I'm familiar with most of the major birther arguments. So you may not enjoy the conversation that much.

Could you provide a brief summary of the law concerning natural born citizenship and Presidential eligibility? Thanks.

There has never been a true review of the law by any court that I know of, and there is no predetermined definition as to what natural born citizen constitutes.

There's never been a definitive ruling, no. The closest the courts ever came was Wong Kim Ark v. the US where the courts found that English Common Law was the lens through which constitutional terms should be defined. With natural born status following location of birth, even to non-citizen parents in English Common Law.

Absolute NONSENSE~!

So you say. But remember.....you have no idea what you're talking about. You keep citing yourself as defining the legal definition of 'natural born'. And you're nobody.

The SCOTUS in contrast, is far more authoritative. Here's the court using English common law as the method of understanding constitutional construction:

There is no common law of the United States, in the sense of a national customary law, distinct from the common law of England as adopted by the several States each for itself, applied as its local law, and subject to such alteration as may be provided by its own statutes. . . . There is, however, one clear exception to the statement that there is no national common law. The interpretation of the Constitution of the United States is necessarily influenced by the fact that its provisions are framed in the language of the English common law, and are to be read in the light of its history.

Wong Kim Ark v. US (1898)

And here's the court citing English Common Law as recognizing place of birth defines natural born status. Even if the child's parents are aliens.

"The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called "ligealty," "obedience," "faith," or "power" of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the King's dominions, were not natural-born subjects because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the King.

Wong Kim Ark v. US (1898)

You're clearly not sufficiently informed to discuss this topic intelligently.
 
That's not a time stamp. That's the video. Where in it does she say that Obama was born in Kenya?

Its a simple question. Either she said it...or she didn't. Just tell us when in the video.

Quote...

"When we took our trip to Africa and we visited Barack's HOME COUNTRY of KENYA"

There you duncey bastard...there is the quote. Since his home country is purportedly the USA, why else would she say something as dumb as that? You figure it out.

Yes....what would prompt her to make a statement like that....or the John Kennedy Presidential Library to call Ireland John Kennedy's home?

Birthers are such idiots.

Boston — In June 1963, President John F. Kennedy, America’s first Irish-Catholic president, journeyed to his ancestral homeland of Ireland, a homecoming he later described as “one of the most moving experiences” of his life.

On St. Patrick’s Day, March 17, 2006, the Museum at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library will open “A Journey Home – John F. Kennedy and Ireland,” a special, new exhibit that explores President Kennedy’s relationship to his ancestral homeland, featuring a large selection of never-before-seen materials from the Museum Collection including gifts presented to the president by the people of Ireland as well as other artifacts, documents, photographs and film footage relating to his Irish heritage and his June 26-29,1963 state visit to the country of his ancestors.

President Kennedy relished his Irish heritage, and during his historic visit to Ireland remarked to the people of Limerick, “This is not the land of my birth but it is the land for which I hold the greatest affection.
 
When you have a video of Ms. Obama saying that Obama was born in Kenya, you're free to rejoin the conversation.

Don't need to, your little coward ass can't and won't answer my question...
Where's your HOME COUNTRY pond scum?



Not a one of you subversives want to answer that?

Michelle doesn't know Barack's HOME COUNTRY!

You subversives are HILARIOUS!!!


When you can find a video of Ms. Obama saying Obama was born in Kenya, you're permitted to rejoin the conversation.


Still can't answer, can you liar!


You have yet to quote any video of Ms. Obama saying Obama was born in Kenya.

When you can, find me. I'll be right here.

Denying piece of shit.


Typical foul mouthed idiot birther.
 
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