Ted Cruz nails it on common sense gun control....

[Brain357]

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

Why are we the only nation that suffers regular mass shootings? It is foolish to not assume it is easy access to guns. Even angry children get guns.

It is a culture problem. There are a lot of factors. Gun control simply is not one of them.

It's hard to have a mass shooting when guns are hard to get. Culture? Yes, we have a gun culture, they do not.

 

[Brain357]

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

Yes and the gun ownership rates in those countries were never extreme. They stopped the problem before it became a huge issue. Are you aware our police are shot and killed at a rate much higher than countries with strong gun control? They also shoot way more people. Every time a cop shoots his gun he's taken off the street, and they sure are removed when they get shot. You don't think cops removed from the streets leads to increased crime?

Which does not negate the simple fact that gun control measure did not have a measurable impact on actual homicides.

They stayed quite low did they not? We wish we had their homicide rates. I would call that effective.

 

[FA_Q2]

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

Yes and the gun ownership rates in those countries were never extreme. They stopped the problem before it became a huge issue. Are you aware our police are shot and killed at a rate much higher than countries with strong gun control? They also shoot way more people. Every time a cop shoots his gun he's taken off the street, and they sure are removed when they get shot. You don't think cops removed from the streets leads to increased crime?

Which does not negate the simple fact that gun control measure did not have a measurable impact on actual homicides.

They stayed quite low did they not? We wish we had their homicide rates. I would call that effective.

Gun Control – Just Facts

Ya, you would call that effective only because you are ignoring the actual data.

 

[Brain357]

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

Yes and the gun ownership rates in those countries were never extreme. They stopped the problem before it became a huge issue. Are you aware our police are shot and killed at a rate much higher than countries with strong gun control? They also shoot way more people. Every time a cop shoots his gun he's taken off the street, and they sure are removed when they get shot. You don't think cops removed from the streets leads to increased crime?

Which does not negate the simple fact that gun control measures did not have a measurable impact on actual homicides.

You must admit the capacity to kill goes down greatly in an absence of guns. Most 70 year old women aren't a real danger to most people unarmed. But with a gun they can kill anyone. Increasing the capacity to kill increases homicides and we have done that with weak gun laws.

 

[Brain357]

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

Yes and the gun ownership rates in those countries were never extreme. They stopped the problem before it became a huge issue. Are you aware our police are shot and killed at a rate much higher than countries with strong gun control? They also shoot way more people. Every time a cop shoots his gun he's taken off the street, and they sure are removed when they get shot. You don't think cops removed from the streets leads to increased crime?

Which does not negate the simple fact that gun control measure did not have a measurable impact on actual homicides.

They stayed quite low did they not? We wish we had their homicide rates. I would call that effective.

Gun Control – Just Facts

Ya, you would call that effective only because you are ignoring the actual data.

Again, guns weren't yet a huge problem, they killed it before it became a huge problem. If there were never that many guns, gun control can't have a huge effect.

 

[OKTexas]

Could be a good first step, but other stuff will be needed. Like making the owner responsible for what his gun is used for if he lends it to someone. Someone who gets his gun stolen is barred from ever buying guns again. Put a limit on how many bullet one can buy in a year. If you target shoot, maybe you could buy more rounds at the shooting range, but you'd have to shoot them all right there. Get rid of AR-15s and the like. No guns show sales, all sales need to go through a dealer. ...

Wow......you just posted a pile of crap....

Why do you always go after the people who didn't commit any crime while voting for a political party that keeps letting actual criminals out of jail?

Nothing you just posted would stop criminals or mass shooters.....your only target is normal gun owners...who don't commit any crimes with their guns.......

And knives kill more people every single year than AR-15s do.....do you want to get rid of knives too? How about cars......? They kill more than AR-15 rifles.......403 dead by all rifles, 38,000 by car....can you see the difference in numbers....?

Gun show sales go through a dealer you mope......please....know the issue before you post...calling you a twit, a mope, a dipstick takes up a lot of time......

So what's wrong with being responsible for your own guns, even if you lend them?

What's wrong with punishing criminals that misuse them? Should we prosecute you if you lend your car to someone and they kill someone?

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[Deplorable Yankee]

Cruz explains the democrats to a "T" and then goes on to propose actual reforms that will help lower crime.......

Two of the ideas...... long prison sentences, and giving access to the Federal background Database, are my ideas too......

LISTEN: Cruz Urges Republicans Not To Cave On Second Amendment; Warns Of ‘Mandatory Gun Confiscation’ Proposals From Dem Candidates

The Democrats’ proposal would not have prevented any of these mass murders. We ought to be focusing seriously, substantively on how you stop these horrific crimes – and what they’re proposing wouldn’t do it. What I’m proposing has a far greater likelihood of preventing these kinds of crimes.

Not only that. Democratic gun confiscation proposals, which are getting more and more common – and by the way, when it comes to gun confiscation on the Left, it starts with so-called "assault rifles," but the next step is handguns. Now, at this point, I expect people around the room to snicker and say, "Come on! That’s ridiculous. They’ll never go to handguns." Just remember that in about 24 months when we see them pushing for handgun confiscation – they have not yet proposed it, but that is, I believe, their ultimate goal ... full confiscation – that would cost lives.

According to a press release from Sen. Chuck Grassley's official website, the Grassley-Cruz legislation would (the following bullet points are taken verbatim from Grassley's website):

• Improve and reauthorize grants for NICS database;

• Increase federal prosecution of gun violence by establishing the Nationwide Project Exile Program and establishing a high-level federal taskforce;

• Responsibly addresses gun violence by criminalizing straw purchasing of firearms and gun trafficking;

• Protect the Second Amendment rights of members of the armed forces;

• Require the Department of Justice to explain to Congress why it has or has not been prosecuting gun cases;

• Place limitations on operations like Fast and Furious by DOJ;

• Allow firearms dealers to utilize the NICS database to for voluntary background checks of employees; and

• Allow firearms dealers to access the FBI’s National Crime Information Center stolen-gun database to ensure that a firearm is not stolen prior to acquisition.

The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed - where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.

Alex Kozinski

 

[OKTexas]

For crying out loud

We have 2.5 million in prison right now. More than anywhere in the world
It is NOT working!

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yet all your commie bullshit is aimed at good people, not the bad ones, go fucking figure.

.

 

[OKTexas]

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

Yes and the gun ownership rates in those countries were never extreme. They stopped the problem before it became a huge issue. Are you aware our police are shot and killed at a rate much higher than countries with strong gun control? They also shoot way more people. Every time a cop shoots his gun he's taken off the street, and they sure are removed when they get shot. You don't think cops removed from the streets leads to increased crime?

Which does not negate the simple fact that gun control measures did not have a measurable impact on actual homicides.

You must admit the capacity to kill goes down greatly in an absence of guns. Most 70 year old women aren't a real danger to most people unarmed. But with a gun they can kill anyone. Increasing the capacity to kill increases homicides and we have done that with weak gun laws.

You dumb fuck, it a matter of propensity to kill, not capacity. A person with the propensity doesn't need a gun to kill a lot a people, a vehicle will do.

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[Brain357]

For crying out loud

We have 2.5 million in prison right now. More than anywhere in the world
It is NOT working!

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yet all your commie bullshit is aimed at good people, not the bad ones, go fucking figure.

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Our worst mass shooter every had a clear record until he didn't. Allowing him access to weapons for mass killing sure was a mistake.

 

[Brain357]

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

Yes and the gun ownership rates in those countries were never extreme. They stopped the problem before it became a huge issue. Are you aware our police are shot and killed at a rate much higher than countries with strong gun control? They also shoot way more people. Every time a cop shoots his gun he's taken off the street, and they sure are removed when they get shot. You don't think cops removed from the streets leads to increased crime?

Which does not negate the simple fact that gun control measures did not have a measurable impact on actual homicides.

You must admit the capacity to kill goes down greatly in an absence of guns. Most 70 year old women aren't a real danger to most people unarmed. But with a gun they can kill anyone. Increasing the capacity to kill increases homicides and we have done that with weak gun laws.

You dumb fuck, it a matter of propensity to kill, not capacity. A person with the propensity doesn't need a gun to kill a lot a people, a vehicle will do.

.

Really? I've no fear of a vehicle when at a concert, or on the 3rd floor of a big building, or on my boat in the middle of the lake.. a vehicle is very limiting. If that was the main means of mass killing we'd have no problem limiting mass killings.

 

[OKTexas]

For crying out loud

We have 2.5 million in prison right now. More than anywhere in the world
It is NOT working!

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yet all your commie bullshit is aimed at good people, not the bad ones, go fucking figure.

.

Our worst mass shooter every had a clear record until he didn't. Allowing him access to weapons for mass killing sure was a mistake.

Why do you only look at mass shootings. Mass shootings account for a very small percentage of gun deaths in the US. The answer is you commies can go after the rights of the law abiding on emotion, not logic. So fuck you commie, no more compromise.

.

 

[Brain357]

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yet all your commie bullshit is aimed at good people, not the bad ones, go fucking figure.

.

Our worst mass shooter every had a clear record until he didn't. Allowing him access to weapons for mass killing sure was a mistake.

Why do you only look at mass shootings. Mass shootings account for a very small percentage of gun deaths in the US. The answer is you commies can go after the rights of the law abiding on emotion, not logic. So fuck you commie, no more compromise.

.

I look at it all. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. How are your weak TX gun laws working? You own 4 of the 10 worst mass shootings. Shocking.

 

[OKTexas]

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

Yes and the gun ownership rates in those countries were never extreme. They stopped the problem before it became a huge issue. Are you aware our police are shot and killed at a rate much higher than countries with strong gun control? They also shoot way more people. Every time a cop shoots his gun he's taken off the street, and they sure are removed when they get shot. You don't think cops removed from the streets leads to increased crime?

Which does not negate the simple fact that gun control measures did not have a measurable impact on actual homicides.

You must admit the capacity to kill goes down greatly in an absence of guns. Most 70 year old women aren't a real danger to most people unarmed. But with a gun they can kill anyone. Increasing the capacity to kill increases homicides and we have done that with weak gun laws.

You dumb fuck, it a matter of propensity to kill, not capacity. A person with the propensity doesn't need a gun to kill a lot a people, a vehicle will do.

.

Really? I've no fear of a vehicle when at a concert, or on the 3rd floor of a big building, or on my boat in the middle of the lake.. a vehicle is very limiting. If that was the main means of mass killing we'd have no problem limiting mass killings.

How many of these used an AR?

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[Brain357]

Yes and the gun ownership rates in those countries were never extreme. They stopped the problem before it became a huge issue. Are you aware our police are shot and killed at a rate much higher than countries with strong gun control? They also shoot way more people. Every time a cop shoots his gun he's taken off the street, and they sure are removed when they get shot. You don't think cops removed from the streets leads to increased crime?

Which does not negate the simple fact that gun control measures did not have a measurable impact on actual homicides.

You must admit the capacity to kill goes down greatly in an absence of guns. Most 70 year old women aren't a real danger to most people unarmed. But with a gun they can kill anyone. Increasing the capacity to kill increases homicides and we have done that with weak gun laws.

You dumb fuck, it a matter of propensity to kill, not capacity. A person with the propensity doesn't need a gun to kill a lot a people, a vehicle will do.

.

Really? I've no fear of a vehicle when at a concert, or on the 3rd floor of a big building, or on my boat in the middle of the lake.. a vehicle is very limiting. If that was the main means of mass killing we'd have no problem limiting mass killings.

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How many of these used an AR?

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Looks like we have a huge problem. Here is a picture of UK mass shooters this year:

 

[OKTexas]

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yet all your commie bullshit is aimed at good people, not the bad ones, go fucking figure.

.

Our worst mass shooter every had a clear record until he didn't. Allowing him access to weapons for mass killing sure was a mistake.

Why do you only look at mass shootings. Mass shootings account for a very small percentage of gun deaths in the US. The answer is you commies can go after the rights of the law abiding on emotion, not logic. So fuck you commie, no more compromise.

.

I look at it all. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. How are your weak TX gun laws working? You own 4 of the 10 worst mass shootings. Shocking.

And what do our laws have to do with it? Those people didn't obey our laws or federal laws, did they? Laws have nothing to do with people who have a propensity to break them.

.

 

[Brain357]

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yet all your commie bullshit is aimed at good people, not the bad ones, go fucking figure.

.

Our worst mass shooter every had a clear record until he didn't. Allowing him access to weapons for mass killing sure was a mistake.

Why do you only look at mass shootings. Mass shootings account for a very small percentage of gun deaths in the US. The answer is you commies can go after the rights of the law abiding on emotion, not logic. So fuck you commie, no more compromise.

.

I look at it all. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. How are your weak TX gun laws working? You own 4 of the 10 worst mass shootings. Shocking.

And what do our laws have to do with it? Those people didn't obey our laws or federal laws, did they? Laws have nothing to do with people who have a propensity to break them.

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By international standards we have extremely weak laws.

 

[OKTexas]

Which does not negate the simple fact that gun control measures did not have a measurable impact on actual homicides.

You must admit the capacity to kill goes down greatly in an absence of guns. Most 70 year old women aren't a real danger to most people unarmed. But with a gun they can kill anyone. Increasing the capacity to kill increases homicides and we have done that with weak gun laws.

You dumb fuck, it a matter of propensity to kill, not capacity. A person with the propensity doesn't need a gun to kill a lot a people, a vehicle will do.

.

Really? I've no fear of a vehicle when at a concert, or on the 3rd floor of a big building, or on my boat in the middle of the lake.. a vehicle is very limiting. If that was the main means of mass killing we'd have no problem limiting mass killings.

View attachment 279504
How many of these used an AR?

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Looks like we have a huge problem. Here is a picture of UK mass shooters this year:

Feel free to move your ass to the UK then.

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[OKTexas]

Yet all your commie bullshit is aimed at good people, not the bad ones, go fucking figure.

.

Our worst mass shooter every had a clear record until he didn't. Allowing him access to weapons for mass killing sure was a mistake.

Why do you only look at mass shootings. Mass shootings account for a very small percentage of gun deaths in the US. The answer is you commies can go after the rights of the law abiding on emotion, not logic. So fuck you commie, no more compromise.

.

I look at it all. Our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. How are your weak TX gun laws working? You own 4 of the 10 worst mass shootings. Shocking.

And what do our laws have to do with it? Those people didn't obey our laws or federal laws, did they? Laws have nothing to do with people who have a propensity to break them.

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By international standards we have extremely weak laws.

By international standards we have a strong Constitution. Don't like it, LEAVE.

.

 

[Brain357]

You must admit the capacity to kill goes down greatly in an absence of guns. Most 70 year old women aren't a real danger to most people unarmed. But with a gun they can kill anyone. Increasing the capacity to kill increases homicides and we have done that with weak gun laws.

You dumb fuck, it a matter of propensity to kill, not capacity. A person with the propensity doesn't need a gun to kill a lot a people, a vehicle will do.

.

Really? I've no fear of a vehicle when at a concert, or on the 3rd floor of a big building, or on my boat in the middle of the lake.. a vehicle is very limiting. If that was the main means of mass killing we'd have no problem limiting mass killings.

View attachment 279504
How many of these used an AR?

.

Looks like we have a huge problem. Here is a picture of UK mass shooters this year:

Feel free to move your ass to the UK then.

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I'd rather help my country, thanks.