Teachers caught cheating on student test scores

[Moonglow]

I am just glad the teachers did not catch me cheating, oh, there were several references but, since I was a star studded football player, the let it pass.

 

[Jackson]

It's racist to expect black children to perform academically on the same level as other races.

Everyone should be expected to perform on the same level. No one is exempt from giving their best as no one race is of lower intelligence.

 

[Jackson]

When giving the standardized tests, it should be done be proctors. The teachers should never touch the tests nor give the tests.

 

[Ravi]

What was their motive to do this?

To make the school look better than it is?

To help the students?

I don't really get it.

Not sure I want to, either.

Fire them all.

Red state.

 

[Jackson]

We put way too much emphasis on test scores. We reward or punish teachers, principals, schools, and districts based on test scores. As a result teachers teach kids how to pass the test.

The first year a new test is introduced, the kids usually do poorly. Each year they do better because the teachers learn what material is on the test and they teach to the test. After a few years the district is congratulating the staff on doing such a good job. It's nonsense.

The test evaluate the foundations of each subject. If the teachers weren't teaching that before, they weren't teaching. If the scores became better the longer the tests were given, that means the teachers finally got serious about teaching.

 

[bodecea]

We put way too much emphasis on test scores. We reward or punish teachers, principals, schools, and districts based on test scores. As a result teachers teach kids how to pass the test.

The first year a new test is introduced, the kids usually do poorly. Each year they do better because the teachers learn what material is on the test and they teach to the test. After a few years the district is congratulating the staff on doing such a good job. It's nonsense.

All because the feel good liberals destroyed the education system with nonsense like " grades can cause hurt feelings and low self esteem, we should get rid of grades" and other such nonsense.

That is due to pressure from parents. It is the parents who cry for no homework and 'self esteem' grades.

Did you know History is no longer taught until High School? Before that it is Social Studies where they learn about "different cultures" Instead of facts about historical events and actual history they learn about what people thought about and other nonsense.

How odd...then my daughter's History of the world from Early man to the Age of Exploration in 6th / 7th grade didn't happen and her American History in 8th grade also didn't happen?

 

[bodecea]

It's racist to expect black children to perform academically on the same level as other races.

Everyone should be expected to perform on the same level. No one is exempt from giving their best as no one race is of lower intelligence.

I know that in California, the Special Ed students are expected to take the same standardized test as everyone else. They may be 13 years old with the IQ to read at the 2nd grade level, but they still take the 8th grade tests.

 

[Jackson]

It's racist to expect black children to perform academically on the same level as other races.

Everyone should be expected to perform on the same level. No one is exempt from giving their best as no one race is of lower intelligence.

I know that in California, the Special Ed students are expected to take the same standardized test as everyone else. They may be 13 years old with the IQ to read at the 2nd grade level, but they still take the 8th grade tests.

And that is wrong if they are of a lower IQ. However, if they are are just Learning Disabled, average and above IQ, the same test as the normal classroom is appropriate.

It depends on what type of Special Ed. it is. But the students with lower IQ's do take the normed age tests, and that is indeed wrong. SBD is Special Ed. (Sever Behavior Disorder) and should take the same test as their peers in the classroom if their IQ is average or above. But it's not, they are not accomodated always that way.

Special Ed. Should not be tested when IQ's have been shown to be below 70. That's all there is.

 

[Tank]

 

[Flopper]

We put way too much emphasis on test scores. We reward or punish teachers, principals, schools, and districts based on test scores. As a result teachers teach kids how to pass the test.

The first year a new test is introduced, the kids usually do poorly. Each year they do better because the teachers learn what material is on the test and they teach to the test. After a few years the district is congratulating the staff on doing such a good job. It's nonsense.

The test evaluate the foundations of each subject. If the teachers weren't teaching that before, they weren't teaching. If the scores became better the longer the tests were given, that means the teachers finally got serious about teaching.

If scores improve, that can mean teachers are doing a better job of teaching the subject but it also can mean that teachers are teaching to the test which is quite different.

 

[JakeStarkey]

America's biggest teacher and principal cheating scandal unfolds in Atlanta - Yahoo! News

What ever happened to the day when teachers actually cared about their students? Please tell me we still have some left.

Ignorant statement and inaccurate assumption.

Teachers overwhelmingly care for their students and their success, much more than many parents, I suspect.

Fire the teachers, and if criminal offenses were committed, prosecute.

 

[Squrl]

athletes don't really cheat, but certainly do not do the same amount of work, and are not held to the same standards.

 

[Jackson]

We put way too much emphasis on test scores. We reward or punish teachers, principals, schools, and districts based on test scores. As a result teachers teach kids how to pass the test.

The first year a new test is introduced, the kids usually do poorly. Each year they do better because the teachers learn what material is on the test and they teach to the test. After a few years the district is congratulating the staff on doing such a good job. It's nonsense.

The test evaluate the foundations of each subject. If the teachers weren't teaching that before, they weren't teaching. If the scores became better the longer the tests were given, that means the teachers finally got serious about teaching.

If scores improve, that can mean teachers are doing a better job of teaching the subject but it also can mean that teachers are teaching to the test which is quite different.

Not really. Since the test evaluates the foundation of skills, the teachers are now teaching what they are supposed to be teaching and publishers are offering more practice.

 

[Tank]

Just as the test standards for police and firemen have had to be lowered for blacks, so should this test.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The test evaluate the foundations of each subject. If the teachers weren't teaching that before, they weren't teaching. If the scores became better the longer the tests were given, that means the teachers finally got serious about teaching.

If scores improve, that can mean teachers are doing a better job of teaching the subject but it also can mean that teachers are teaching to the test which is quite different.

Not really. Since the test evaluates the foundation of skills, the teachers are now teaching what they are supposed to be teaching and publishers are offering more practice.

You are wrong, Jackson. The students are scrimming for pat answers instead of also critically thinking about the material, they have developed real issues in developing good composition skills, and if we created powerful bureaucracies at state and federal levels that the education fascists (onethinkers) of the far right are corrupting.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Two of the critical elements for promotion consideration in our business are (1) critical thinking skills that (2) can be assessed in speech, composition, and computation environments. We want executives, administrators, and staff that creatively 'compose' in writing, thinking, and computing.

The current 'No Child Left Behind' high-skills testing format does not inform real learning in this country's public education systems. Good teachers and instructors have to work around NCLB. We identify those people at the high schools and colleges. We always vet our applicants' assessments with these people. We have the best work force in three states, clearly.

 

[JakeStarkey]

See, that works for you, Tank, otherwise you could not pass your drivers license exam.

 

[ShackledNation]

Thankfully these bad teachers will keep their jobs. The unions will make sure of it.

 

[Care4all]

Thanks Tank:

God bless that woman for calling it "black on black crime". Certainly I can second the crime part..

Caring parents like her don't have years to fix the system. Their problem is a TODAY problem. And they don't want to hear about Bush or dead Kennedys or political excuses. They need a REFUND for the fraudulent actions of the school system. They need CHOICE today..

are private schools (or home schoolers) required to take the same tests that public schools are required to take/give in order to get tax payer's money?

 

[Ravi]

Thanks Tank:

God bless that woman for calling it "black on black crime". Certainly I can second the crime part..

Caring parents like her don't have years to fix the system. Their problem is a TODAY problem. And they don't want to hear about Bush or dead Kennedys or political excuses. They need a REFUND for the fraudulent actions of the school system. They need CHOICE today..

are private schools (or home schoolers) required to take the same tests that public schools are required to take/give in order to get tax payer's money?

No, they aren't. They use the Iowa tests, I believe. At least here. They are not required to participate in the No Child Left Behind boloney.