Teacher Compensation

[Unkotare]

https://www.oecd.org/education/ceri/Background_document_to_Symposium_ITEL-FINAL.pdf

 

[Unkotare]

WHAT IS THE BODY OF KNOWLEDGE THAT TEACHERS MUST KNOW?????

It does not exist!

If anyone reading this is a teacher, let's have a few examples. A doctor must know how the heart functions. A lawyer must know the elements of a tort. Etc.

What is the body of knowledge that teachers must know? The very idea is silly.

Can you even imagine a teacher being charged with "MALPRACTICE"? It is a sick joke. They engage in malpractice every day of the week, and we pay them for it!

You are an ignorant buffoon.

 

[DGS49]

Is that supposed to be some sort of rebuttal? You claim to be a teacher. If there is a body of esoteric knowledge that teachers must know in order to teach, then YOU MUST BE PRIVY TO IT.

Please describe. Give us a hint.

Teachers are no more "professionals" than are car salesmen. Everybody has their own method; there is no right and wrong. Imagine the results if real professionals operated that way.

And in addition, why is it that student OUTCOMES have not improved over the past 50 years, while teacher compensation has more than doubled, in constant year dollars? More money equals better teachers?

You gotta be fucking kidding.

 

[Unkotare]

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Please describe. Give us a hint.
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Pay attention, stupid.

https://www.oecd.org/education/ceri/Background_document_to_Symposium_ITEL-FINAL.pdf

 

[Unkotare]

.... Everybody has their own method; there is no right and wrong. .....

Your complete ignorance of the topic doesn't slow down your uninformed comments at all, does it?

 

[Unkotare]

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And in addition, why is it that student OUTCOMES have not improved over the past 50 years.....

Why is it that people continue to get sick and die if doctors are professionals? In fact, the average lifespan of an American male has fallen. Better get your next prostate exam from a car salesman.

 

[Unkotare]

Funny how quickly this ignorant troll disappears when he is directly and completely proven wrong.

 

[SweetSue92]

WHAT IS THE BODY OF KNOWLEDGE THAT TEACHERS MUST KNOW?????

It does not exist!

If anyone reading this is a teacher, let's have a few examples. A doctor must know how the heart functions. A lawyer must know the elements of a tort. Etc.

What is the body of knowledge that teachers must know? The very idea is silly.

Can you even imagine a teacher being charged with "MALPRACTICE"? It is a sick joke. They engage in malpractice every day of the week, and we pay them for it!

Behold one page, just one, of my teacher evaluation rubric.

Hey old man yells at cloud, just because you hated school doesn't mean teachers don't know anything about teaching.

 

[DGS49]

Yes, yes, yes. "Pedagogical knowledge." This is not something that a prospective teacher must master. In fact, the theories on pedagogy change from generation to generation, so a teacher who was up to speed twenty years ago may be teaching in an entirely different manner than what is recommended today.

But it is not a fixed body of knowledge. It is a compilation of theories that the author asserts are proven by research. But so were yesterday's theories which are now discredited. And so it goes. Today's theories will be discredited in ten years.

And yet...and yet, where is the "BEEF"? Where are the data that verify that today's teaching methods are more successful - as measured by standardized tests? Non-Existent. It is all fluff and nonsense

One could produce exactly the same sort of self-serving balderdash on the topic of selling used cars. Methods (or in Academic-Speak, "methodologies") change over time, but the results never do.

I guarantee that if you distilled the top recommendations from the linked article and quizzed 100 public school teachers on their knowledge of same, the result would be 98 examples of "deer in the headlights."

There is no finite body of esoteric knowledge that one must master in order to be a teacher. All true Professions have such a finite body of knowledge, and all true professions administer a comprehensive test to candidates, and if you don't pass the test, you cannot practice law, medicine, dentistry, etc. Doesn't apply to teaching because it is not a profession.

Which is not to say that "professionalism" should not be encouraged, but that's not the same thing.

 

[Unkotare]

Yes, yes, yes. "Pedagogical knowledge." This is not something that a prospective teacher must master. ...

Yes, it is.

 

[Unkotare]

.......In fact, the theories on pedagogy change from generation to generation, so a teacher who was up to speed twenty years ago may be teaching in an entirely different manner than what is recommended today.
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That is why teachers are tested on this knowledge and required to update their skills and knowledge regularly, just like other PROFESSIONS.

 

[Unkotare]

...... And so it goes. Today's theories will be discredited in ten years.
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In ten years there will be new knowledge, theories, and procedures in medicine as well. PROFESSION.

 

[Unkotare]

......all true professions administer a comprehensive test to candidates, and if you don't pass the test, you cannot practice law, medicine, dentistry, etc. .....

Include "teaching" on that list.


You might as well just admit you were completely wrong from the get-go, and that you have no idea what you're talking about. Go start another thread about how threatened you feel by athletes.

 

[Unkotare]

..... Methods (or in Academic-Speak, "methodologies") change over time, but the results never do.
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Medical procedures change over time, but the intended result is always the health and welfare of patients.

 

[Unkotare]

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I guarantee that if you.....

YOU can't guarantee shit, because YOU have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[SweetSue92]

Yes, yes, yes. "Pedagogical knowledge." This is not something that a prospective teacher must master. In fact, the theories on pedagogy change from generation to generation, so a teacher who was up to speed twenty years ago may be teaching in an entirely different manner than what is recommended today.

But it is not a fixed body of knowledge. It is a compilation of theories that the author asserts are proven by research. But so were yesterday's theories which are now discredited. And so it goes. Today's theories will be discredited in ten years.

And yet...and yet, where is the "BEEF"? Where are the data that verify that today's teaching methods are more successful - as measured by standardized tests? Non-Existent. It is all fluff and nonsense

One could produce exactly the same sort of self-serving balderdash on the topic of selling used cars. Methods (or in Academic-Speak, "methodologies") change over time, but the results never do.

I guarantee that if you distilled the top recommendations from the linked article and quizzed 100 public school teachers on their knowledge of same, the result would be 98 examples of "deer in the headlights."

There is no finite body of esoteric knowledge that one must master in order to be a teacher. All true Professions have such a finite body of knowledge, and all true professions administer a comprehensive test to candidates, and if you don't pass the test, you cannot practice law, medicine, dentistry, etc. Doesn't apply to teaching because it is not a profession.

Which is not to say that "professionalism" should not be encouraged, but that's not the same thing.

This Old Man Yelling At Cloud doesn't even know about tests like The Praxis.

Keep going. Wear yourself out.

 

[DGS49]

I truly hope that the entity that titles itself "Unkotare" is not a teacher. Its tendency to simply deny what it doesn't like and issue ad hominem "rebuttals" is appalling. I pity the student who has to sit in its classroom.

But again I ask: Where is the data that show that enhanced pedagogy has improved educational OUTCOMES over the past fifty years?

[sound of crickets chirping]

 

[Unkotare]

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But again I ask: Where is the data that show that enhanced pedagogy has improved educational OUTCOMES over the past fifty years?
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Where is the data that show people don't get sick or die anymore because medicine is a PROFESSION?

 

[Unkotare]

... Its tendency to simply deny what it doesn't like ...

You meant to say "tendency to provide specific data directly refuting ignorant nonsense..."