Tea Party=The New Nazi Party?

[Big Fitz]

Pathos. Does it explain the appeal of the Tea Party to angry and frustrated folks who would march to a Nazi drum if given the chance?

Sorry, conservatives do not march to the state's drums like the lock step leftists currently running the show. Liberty is incomparable with a totalitarian federal government.

Really?

Seems like yesterday the conservatives were calling the Democrats stupid for not doing what they did when they were in power---follow the leader. As a matter of fact, look at the votes. Lock step and marching to a drum is what the GOP under conservative dominance has done since 1978.

Since 1978? Liberals in the Democratic party have fought amongst themselves in primaries and when in control. Ted Kennedy challenged a sitting President. When was the last time a Republican challenged a sitting President?

Shit, 1968...LBJ had credible primary challengers lined up against him

One, Republicans are not neccessary conservatives. The Rockafeller wing currently controlling the GOP proves that.
Two, The conservatives were not in dominance in congress till 1994. Once again, nice lie.
Three, your last two points are irrelevant.
Four, Bart Stupak just proved that when push comes to shove, even when they have supposed religious ideals against the politics of their party, the vote with the party.

seig heil, sport.

 

[elvis]

the Hitler card seems to be the new weapon of the Left. It sort of goes along with the race card.

FOX News?

"Now meetings are becoming a real pleasure. We have a new subject that grips us all, we have enthusiasm, energy and absolute commitment for our cause, we have audiences that respond passionately. We can speak from the heart and we no longer need to spare our enemies' feelings. For the election, we're generating large amounts of money, and this will put an end to all our financial problems. I set the propaganda machinery in motion, and an hour later the printing presses were chattering away.

Our propaganda is considered to be exemplary, not just by the German press, but by the international press, too. We have acquired so much expertise in this field during previous election campaigns that we can overcome our opponents. We frighten them, and they hardly dare utter a word. Now we will show what the apparatus can achieve, if you know how to use it."

Hannity does not equal Goebbels, in spite of what that scumfuck Zona puts in his avatar.

 

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Angry bullshit sells all day to angry borderline psychos like you.

Angry? Hardly. Never did the I hate Bush or other hate things.

You don't have to say it in so many words....Your not-at-all veiled anger comes across every day, in every way.

Steer clear of post offices, OK?

This doesn't ring true when FOX News is considered as an arm of the GOP and conservative movement that is the Tea Party?

fox news


Now meetings are becoming a real pleasure. We have a new subject that grips us all, we have enthusiasm, energy and absolute commitment for our cause, we have audiences that respond passionately. We can speak from the heart and we no longer need to spare our enemies' feelings. For the election, we're generating large amounts of money, and this will put an end to all our financial problems. I set the propaganda machinery in motion, and an hour later the printing presses were chattering away.

Reading from diary: February 21, 1933. Our propaganda is considered to be exemplary, not just by the German press, but by the international press, too. We have acquired so much expertise in this field during previous election campaigns that we can overcome our opponents. We frighten them, and they hardly dare utter a word. Now we will show what the apparatus can achieve, if you know how to use it.

 

[Oddball]

No, seriously....Get help.

 

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the Hitler card seems to be the new weapon of the Left. It sort of goes along with the race card.

FOX News?

"Now meetings are becoming a real pleasure. We have a new subject that grips us all, we have enthusiasm, energy and absolute commitment for our cause, we have audiences that respond passionately. We can speak from the heart and we no longer need to spare our enemies' feelings. For the election, we're generating large amounts of money, and this will put an end to all our financial problems. I set the propaganda machinery in motion, and an hour later the printing presses were chattering away.

Our propaganda is considered to be exemplary, not just by the German press, but by the international press, too. We have acquired so much expertise in this field during previous election campaigns that we can overcome our opponents. We frighten them, and they hardly dare utter a word. Now we will show what the apparatus can achieve, if you know how to use it."

Hannity does not equal Goebbels, in spite of what that scumfuck Zona puts in his avatar.

Of course not. Hannity is but a clog in the machine.

Rick Perlstein, author of “Nixonland,” sees a strong resemblance between Mr. Ailes’s political experience and his approach to television.

“Like Richard Nixon, like Spiro Agnew, Fox News can never see itself as the attacker,” he said. “They are always playing defense because they believe they are always under attack, which attracts people that have the same personality formation. By bringing that mind-set, plus the high energy seamless stream of the aggression of talk radio, he has found an audience.”

Roger Ailes of Fox News Has an Agenda - Profit - NYTimes.com

 

[elvis]

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Sorry, conservatives do not march to the state's drums like the lock step leftists currently running the show. Liberty is incomparable with a totalitarian federal government.

Really?

Seems like yesterday the conservatives were calling the Democrats stupid for not doing what they did when they were in power---follow the leader. As a matter of fact, look at the votes. Lock step and marching to a drum is what the GOP under conservative dominance has done since 1978.

Since 1978? Liberals in the Democratic party have fought amongst themselves in primaries and when in control. Ted Kennedy challenged a sitting President. When was the last time a Republican challenged a sitting President?

Shit, 1968...LBJ had credible primary challengers lined up against him

One, Republicans are not neccessary conservatives. The Rockafeller wing currently controlling the GOP proves that.
Two, The conservatives were not in dominance in congress till 1994. Once again, nice lie.
Three, your last two points are irrelevant.
Four, Bart Stupak just proved that when push comes to shove, even when they have supposed religious ideals against the politics of their party, the vote with the party.

seig heil, sport.

Republicans will throw ideology out the window in order to keep power, but there are no Rockerfeller Republicans today. since 1978, the GOP had a series of purges. MAine and one or two other states are safe, but on hot button issues like health care---even their GOP pols fall in line.

100% of The GOP voted against Bill Clinton on a few issues. Same with against Obama. Doesn't get anymore lockstep than that.

 

[elvis]

Really?

Seems like yesterday the conservatives were calling the Democrats stupid for not doing what they did when they were in power---follow the leader. As a matter of fact, look at the votes. Lock step and marching to a drum is what the GOP under conservative dominance has done since 1978.

Since 1978? Liberals in the Democratic party have fought amongst themselves in primaries and when in control. Ted Kennedy challenged a sitting President. When was the last time a Republican challenged a sitting President?

Shit, 1968...LBJ had credible primary challengers lined up against him

One, Republicans are not neccessary conservatives. The Rockafeller wing currently controlling the GOP proves that.
Two, The conservatives were not in dominance in congress till 1994. Once again, nice lie.
Three, your last two points are irrelevant.
Four, Bart Stupak just proved that when push comes to shove, even when they have supposed religious ideals against the politics of their party, the vote with the party.

seig heil, sport.

Republicans will throw ideology out the window in order to keep power, but there are no Rockerfeller Republicans today. since 1978, the GOP had a series of purges. MAine and one or two other states are safe, but on hot button issues like health care---even their GOP pols fall in line.

100% of The GOP voted against Bill Clinton on a few issues. Same with against Obama. Doesn't get anymore lockstep than that.

so they refuse to worship the ossiah and therefore they're equivalent to Hitler. got it.

 

[Big Fitz]

Really?

Seems like yesterday the conservatives were calling the Democrats stupid for not doing what they did when they were in power---follow the leader. As a matter of fact, look at the votes. Lock step and marching to a drum is what the GOP under conservative dominance has done since 1978.

Since 1978? Liberals in the Democratic party have fought amongst themselves in primaries and when in control. Ted Kennedy challenged a sitting President. When was the last time a Republican challenged a sitting President?

Shit, 1968...LBJ had credible primary challengers lined up against him

One, Republicans are not neccessary conservatives. The Rockafeller wing currently controlling the GOP proves that.
Two, The conservatives were not in dominance in congress till 1994. Once again, nice lie.
Three, your last two points are irrelevant.
Four, Bart Stupak just proved that when push comes to shove, even when they have supposed religious ideals against the politics of their party, the vote with the party.

seig heil, sport.

Republicans will throw ideology out the window in order to keep power, but there are no Rockerfeller Republicans today. since 1978, the GOP had a series of purges. MAine and one or two other states are safe, but on hot button issues like health care---even their GOP pols fall in line.

100% of The GOP voted against Bill Clinton on a few issues. Same with against Obama. Doesn't get anymore lockstep than that.

Spitting out random dates with no meaning and incoherent drivel proves jack shit.

To the crazy, you're making a model of Devil's Tower. To the rest of reality, you're just playing with your mashed potatoes and scaring your family again.

 

[Foxfyre]

the Hitler card seems to be the new weapon of the Left. It sort of goes along with the race card.

Well in fairness to Dante, and I'm not feeling particularly charitable towards Dante at the moment, it isn't just the Left that does it, though they have been excessive in that when it comes to the Tea Partiers or groups like them.

The difference this time is that Dante started out trying to tar the Tea Partiers with the Nazi stain. Usually it comes later in the discussion before Godwin's Law is evoked:

Godwin's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches​

Wiki describes the phenomenon thusly:

Reductio ad Hitlerum, also argumentum ad Hitlerum, (dog Latin for "reduction to Hitler" or "argument to Hitler," respectively) is an ad hominem or ad misericordiam argument, and is an informal fallacy. It is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something or someone's origin rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context. Hence this fallacy fails to examine the claim on its merit.​

In this case where Dude, I, and others have pointed out that it is not the Tea Partiers who have been utilizing tactics employed by the Nazi organizers on their rise to power, but rather it is sometimes the current administration and its loyal devotees.

And since Dante evoked Godwin's Law from the beginning, we aren't even depending on that in order to formulate a credible rebuttal.

 

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Was it Fritz who said the Tea Party/conservatives do not speak to class?





wait...

 

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Didn't Sarah Palin mock President Obama to an assembled bunch of lunatics/activists at a Tea Party lrally as "a professor of law standing at the lectern,"? Wasn't this populist anti-intellectualism?

Hitler: wasn't intellectuals who gave me the courage to undertake this gigantic task, but...I can reveal this...I found the courage because I encountered two classes---country people and German (American) workers.

doesn't the above sound like a Palin speech? Think about it.

 

[Oddball]

Really, dude.....Seek help.

 

[Big Fitz]

Didn't Sarah Palin mock President Obama to an assembled bunch of lunatics/activists at a Tea Party lrally as "a professor of law standing at the lectern,"? Wasn't this populist anti-intellectualism?

Hitler: wasn't intellectuals who gave me the courage to undertake this gigantic task, but...I can reveal this...I found the courage because I encountered two classes---country people and German (American) workers.

doesn't the above sound like a Palin speech? Think about it.

I have. Once again, I may need to stop enabling your mental illness. Be glad that the mods don't feel a need to stop people who once would have only had a street corner and sandwich boards to alert the public with their ravings. This is a whole new way of allowing them to harm themselves I guess.

 

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Didn't Sarah Palin mock President Obama to an assembled bunch of lunatics/activists at a Tea Party lrally as "a professor of law standing at the lectern,"? Wasn't this populist anti-intellectualism?

Hitler: wasn't intellectuals who gave me the courage to undertake this gigantic task, but...I can reveal this...I found the courage because I encountered two classes---country people and German (American) workers.

doesn't the above sound like a Palin speech? Think about it.

I have. Once again, I may need to stop enabling your mental illness. Be glad that the mods don't feel a need to stop people who once would have only had a street corner and sandwich boards to alert the public with their ravings. This is a whole new way of allowing them to harm themselves I guess.

So you and a few maudes think it's okay to ridicule Obama and others, to push crazy ideas about Obama,. to attack people like Ron Paul and others when they tell the populist nitwits that Obama is not a socialist---but you think it is a good idea to banish me because I posit a comparison that I put in the conspiracy thread?

you reveal way too much about how thin skinned and lock step minded you all are,.

 

[Big Fitz]

Didn't Sarah Palin mock President Obama to an assembled bunch of lunatics/activists at a Tea Party lrally as "a professor of law standing at the lectern,"? Wasn't this populist anti-intellectualism?

Hitler: wasn't intellectuals who gave me the courage to undertake this gigantic task, but...I can reveal this...I found the courage because I encountered two classes---country people and German (American) workers.

doesn't the above sound like a Palin speech? Think about it.

I have. Once again, I may need to stop enabling your mental illness. Be glad that the mods don't feel a need to stop people who once would have only had a street corner and sandwich boards to alert the public with their ravings. This is a whole new way of allowing them to harm themselves I guess.

So you and a few maudes think it's okay to ridicule Obama and others, to push crazy ideas about Obama,. to attack people like Ron Paul and others when they tell the populist nitwits that Obama is not a socialist---but you think it is a good idea to banish me because I posit a comparison that I put in the conspiracy thread?

you reveal way too much about how thin skinned and lock step minded you all are,.

Wassamatta Dante? Your people want to do it all the time. Not so fun when it's you in the Gulag line for your politics now, isn't it? Oh you who like to neg rep to try to bully people from their opinions. Sucks when you get popped back in the mouth and shown a purveyor of spin yourself, doesn't it?

Ron Paul is right when you look at it. Obama is NOT a socialist. He's a fascist (corporatist). His actions, desires and policies prove it every day. If the man would reverse course, demand congress repeal healthcare and slash the budget by 50% I'd start touting his praises. But he won't, nor his minions or supporters.

But instead, he's trying to destroy the capitalist system and the constitution in what I can only say is a deliberate attempt on his part. There is no way a man who has any modicum of intelligence is this stupid. I will give you this. You were smart enough to put your lunacy about the Tea Parties in the conspiracy forum.

But go on being P-BO's useful idiot. I won't be the first one against the wall. Accomplices usually are once the goal is in hand for the tyrannical. Don't think for a second this isn't true. History bears that out too.

 

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I have. Once again, I may need to stop enabling your mental illness. Be glad that the mods don't feel a need to stop people who once would have only had a street corner and sandwich boards to alert the public with their ravings. This is a whole new way of allowing them to harm themselves I guess.

So you and a few maudes think it's okay to ridicule Obama and others, to push crazy ideas about Obama,. to attack people like Ron Paul and others when they tell the populist nitwits that Obama is not a socialist---but you think it is a good idea to banish me because I posit a comparison that I put in the conspiracy thread?

you reveal way too much about how thin skinned and lock step minded you all are,.

Wassamatta Dante? Your people want to do it all the time. Not so fun when it's you in the Gulag line for your politics now, isn't it?

hey, lunatic? what people are mine? I have no peeps here. I, unlike you, do truly speak truth to power---and nitwits.

I didn't vote fro Obama. I never hated Bush.

idiots like you project too much

 

[Big Fitz]

So you and a few maudes think it's okay to ridicule Obama and others, to push crazy ideas about Obama,. to attack people like Ron Paul and others when they tell the populist nitwits that Obama is not a socialist---but you think it is a good idea to banish me because I posit a comparison that I put in the conspiracy thread?

you reveal way too much about how thin skinned and lock step minded you all are,.

Wassamatta Dante? Your people want to do it all the time. Not so fun when it's you in the Gulag line for your politics now, isn't it?

hey, lunatic? what people are mine? I have no peeps here. I, unlike you, do truly speak truth to power---and nitwits.

I didn't vote fro Obama. I never hated Bush.

idiots like you project too much

This post says no... most of your other posts prove otherwise.

but why should I expect anything but a denial and spin even in this?

 

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Wassamatta Dante? Your people want to do it all the time. Not so fun when it's you in the Gulag line for your politics now, isn't it?

hey, lunatic? what people are mine? I have no peeps here. I, unlike you, do truly speak truth to power---and nitwits.

I didn't vote fro Obama. I never hated Bush.

idiots like you project too much

This post says no... most of your other posts prove otherwise.

but why should I expect anything but a denial and spin even in this?

Spin? My people? My side? What is it with people like you. I am well known to attack wingnuts and moonbats when they offend sensibility and reason.

You? You don't even rate being called a hack---for hacks have a place in the great scheme of things.

thanks for trying to sidetrack a thread.

 

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From Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels' Diary

April 13, 1926

"Hitler was there. Tall healthy and vigorous." "I like him. He puts us to shame with his kindness." "We met. We asked questions. He gave brilliant replies." "I love him."

"The social issue, completely new insights. He has it all thought out." Hitler's ideal: "a mixture of collectivism and individualism. Production must remain a matter for individuals, big corporations, trusts, etc, all to be nationalized. This is what we discuss."

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I'm watching the documentary: The Goebbels Experiment. I got to thinking about the correlations between the Nazi's in Germany and the Conservatives in America.

Before using the Tea Party name, as a name for a movement, took hold in the imagination of the popular right wing nutso-sphere---Dale Robertson was using Tea Party dot org, as a name in September of 2004 (as far as I can tell).

Who is Dale and what why do I and others call him a leader and founder of the Tea Party movement?

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There is no denying Dale was using the name Tea Party, and calling for conservatives to take back the GOP. Dale is a lair, and a propagandist. There is no denying Dale Robertson was involved with starting and helping tom organize Tea Party rallies in Texas, before they got scared with him and his racist ideology. There is no denying the right is distancing themselves from Robertson with deceit and deception as to how he is connected to them. Dale is at Tea Party events in 2009.

In a brief bio on his website, he lies about his military career. According to the website,

Dale served his nation first as a U.S. Marine. After completing his duties with the Corps, he reenlisted into the U.S. Navy and became a U.S. Naval Officer. During his distinguished time of service, Dale’s Battle Group was first to the scene on 9/11 as well as first to launch an offensive in Afghanistan. He was stationed on the USS Sacramento which was the life blood of the Battle Group. He faithfully served our nation with Honor and Integrity, retiring after 22 years.

But a Freedom of Information Act request by blogger Jonn Lilyea at This Ain't Hell reveals that Robertson was discharged from the U.S. Marine Corps Reserves after serving less than a year. That is quite an embellishment from the record he claims on his website. Robertson's statement is, in fact, riddled with falsehoods.

Read more: STORY RETRACTED | Fake Tea Partier Also a Phony Soldier | NewsBusters.org

I post a few links from the right wing blowhardo-sphere and others.

‘N-Word’ Sign Dogs Would-Be Tea Party Leader The Washington Independent

STORY RETRACTED | Fake Tea Partier Also a Phony Soldier | NewsBusters.org

'Warning: Tea Party In Danger': Leader Slams Palin As 'Wolf In Sheep's Clothing' | TPMMuckraker

Tea Partier Tells Mediaite Racist Sign Was Forged; We Have Him On Record Defending Its Use Alan Colmes' Liberaland

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back to the Nazi Party/Tea Party correlations.

Bush was the GOP and conservative pick to lead the nation. What did Bush do in 2008? He all but nationalized the banks as he called for individual responsibilities, etc.
Sound familiar? What did Hitler call for? (see above quote from the diary of Joseph Goebbels)

We have Tea Party people speaking about how they view the nation. How they view fellow citizens as outsiders. We have Tea Party rallies where people speak openly about challenging the will of the Republic (the vote) with armed insurrection.

there's lots more...

I'll be back.


dD

As amusing as the turnabout on incendiary language may be, I can't say that it is particularly accurate.

April 13, 1926

"Hitler was there. Tall healthy and vigorous." "I like him. He puts us to shame with his kindness." "We met. We asked questions. He gave brilliant replies." "I love him."

"The social issue, completely new insights. He has it all thought out." Hitler's ideal: "a mixture of collectivism and individualism. Production must remain a matter for individuals, big corporations, trusts, etc, all to be nationalized. This is what we discuss."

more from Dr. Goebbels' Diary (substitute a few terms 1917/2008---Jews/Democrats or socialists, Cologne/Washington)...


"Then 1917 (2008), and a painfully hungry year we get through it somehow." "Banking and the Stock Exchange, Industry and Market Capital...Jews (Democrats, Scialists, Leftists, Progressives), I reflect on my finacial predicament. Spiritual illumination."

"I am overwhelmed. The Revolution is inside me. But I remain pessimistic about everything. I loathe Cologne (Washington); ...a waste of time. My salary next to nothing, and I can't bear it any more. So I decide to..."

i've had domain names registered since the early 90s. wanna buy one?

how the hell does registering a domain name become part of some nazi conspiracy?

I'll lay it out in simpleton terms for you...

follow the thread.

Tea Party ideals and propaganda/Hitler's ideals and propaganda.

We have Tea Party people speaking about how they view the nation (substitute Nazi for Tea). How they view fellow citizens as outsiders. We have Tea Party (Nazi/Tea) rallies where people speak openly about challenging the will of the Republic (the vote) with armed insurrection.

there's lots more...

Nazi Party/Tea Party correlations.

The Tea Party is a front for a takeover of the government by conservative radicals who are stoking public discontent. Like the Nazis, the GOP conservative radical movement today has been shown to be bankrupt---all about power over nation---and even over ideology, when it comes to keeping power.

Bush was the GOP and conservative pick to lead the nation. What did Bush do in 2008? He all but nationalized the banks as he called for individual responsibilities, etc.
Sound familiar? What did Hitler call for? (see above quote(s) from the diary of Joseph Goebbels)

some of the 'more' I promised...


these look just like posts straight off the Tea Party blogs and web sites.


"We need a firm hand in Germany (America). Let's put an end to all the experiments and empty words, and start getting down to serious work. Throw out the Jews (Democrats, Liberals, Leftists, Socialists---other Americans), who refuse to become real Germans (Americans). Give them a good beating too."


"I'm so despondent about everything. Everything I try goes totally wrong. There's no escape from this hole here. I feel drained. So far, I still haven't found a real purpose in life." "Sometimes, I'm afraid to get out of bed in the morning. There's nothing to get up for."

"My life lacks any meaning. I'm meandering aimlessly. Lost in the universe. Lack of money is oppressive, what a terrible fate. Why bother to read these wretched newspapers, it just makes you feel more stupid."

"Politics is killing me."