Tea Party Persecution...Why?

[Wry Catcher]

Well for sure, one specific thing Tea Partiers would like to see happen is included in the overall concept of returning government to its constitutional roots:

One of the first things I think Tea Partiers would mandate is that no person in any part of government could use or obligate the tax payers' money to benefit any person, group, demographic, or entity that did not benefit everybody else - and -

Members of Congress would be required to submit themselves to ALL regulations, rules, and laws that they pass for anybody.

Would our leftist friends or anti-tea party folks agree to that?

Gee, providing counseling to PTSD vets who suffer from drug or alcohol dependence subsequent to serving in combat is opposed by "Tea Partiers" because it doesn't benefit the CEO's wife who consumes too many martini's. Sorry for the inherent sarcasm here but that point I find ridiculous.

I agree with point number two, sadly both the Senate and the H. of Rep. right the rules for their own legislative process and the bills they pass. No amount of pressure, it seems, could sway them to give up the many perks and benefits they have granted themselves.

Article I of the Constitution would need to be amended to force such a change in point number two.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Well for sure, one specific thing Tea Partiers would like to see happen is included in the overall concept of returning government to its constitutional roots:

One of the first things I think Tea Partiers would mandate is that no person in any part of government could use or obligate the tax payers' money to benefit any person, group, demographic, or entity that did not benefit everybody else - and -

Members of Congress would be required to submit themselves to ALL regulations, rules, and laws that they pass for anybody.

Would our leftist friends or anti-tea party folks agree to that?

Gee, providing counseling to PTSD vets who suffer from drug or alcohol dependence subsequent to serving in combat is opposed by "Tea Partiers" because it doesn't benefit the CEO's wife who consumes too many martini's. Sorry for the inherent sarcasm here but that point I find ridiculous.

I agree with point number two, sadly both the Senate and the H. of Rep. right the rules for their own legislative process and the bills they pass. No amount of pressure, it seems, could sway them to give up the many perks and benefits they have granted themselves.

Article I of the Constitution would need to be amended to force such a change in point number two.

I wonder if a "reliable link" would be possible..

 

[BlackSand]

Well for sure, one specific thing Tea Partiers would like to see happen is included in the overall concept of returning government to its constitutional roots:

One of the first things I think Tea Partiers would mandate is that no person in any part of government could use or obligate the tax payers' money to benefit any person, group, demographic, or entity that did not benefit everybody else - and -

Members of Congress would be required to submit themselves to ALL regulations, rules, and laws that they pass for anybody.

Would our leftist friends or anti-tea party folks agree to that?

Gee, providing counseling to PTSD vets who suffer from drug or alcohol dependence subsequent to serving in combat is opposed by "Tea Partiers" because it doesn't benefit the CEO's wife who consumes too many martini's. Sorry for the inherent sarcasm here but that point I find ridiculous.

I agree with point number two, sadly both the Senate and the H. of Rep. right the rules for their own legislative process and the bills they pass. No amount of pressure, it seems, could sway them to give up the many perks and benefits they have granted themselves.

Article I of the Constitution would need to be amended to force such a change in point number two.

I wonder if a "reliable link" would be possible..

Catcher is trying to equate a PTSD Veteran suffering from drug or alcohol abuse to the CEO's wife ... In regards to the comment about tax payer money and benefiting everyone equally.
Personally I agree with the point ... And if the CEO's wife is a veteran suffering from PTSD ... Then I agree she should have counseling available ... There is no need to exclude her because she is rich.

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[Foxfyre]

Well for sure, one specific thing Tea Partiers would like to see happen is included in the overall concept of returning government to its constitutional roots:

One of the first things I think Tea Partiers would mandate is that no person in any part of government could use or obligate the tax payers' money to benefit any person, group, demographic, or entity that did not benefit everybody else - and -

Members of Congress would be required to submit themselves to ALL regulations, rules, and laws that they pass for anybody.

Would our leftist friends or anti-tea party folks agree to that?

Gee, providing counseling to PTSD vets who suffer from drug or alcohol dependence subsequent to serving in combat is opposed by "Tea Partiers" because it doesn't benefit the CEO's wife who consumes too many martini's. Sorry for the inherent sarcasm here but that point I find ridiculous.

I agree with point number two, sadly both the Senate and the H. of Rep. right the rules for their own legislative process and the bills they pass. No amount of pressure, it seems, could sway them to give up the many perks and benefits they have granted themselves.

Article I of the Constitution would need to be amended to force such a change in point number two.

I wonder if a "reliable link" would be possible..

The Tea Party does not take a position on individual issues. It focuses like a laser beam on the larger principle that the federal government should not be given authority to use our money to increase its own self-serving purposes and self-perpetuation meaning that it should no longer be allowed to dispense favors or benefits to ANY group, no matter how worthy, that are not dispensed to all. That restriction would not likely extend to VA benefits for those in service in the U.S. military, however. Because we ask our military to voluntarily set aside many of their unalienable rights and put their very lives on the line in service to their country, their medical benefits are rightfully included in their compensation.

And if it takes a constitutional amendment to rein in abuses of Congress who are enriching themselves greatly and setting themselves up for lifetime affluence at our expense while avoiding all the most unpleasant legislation they impose on the rest of us, then I'm quite sure there isn't a single Tea Partier anywhere who would not promote that amendment.

 

[daveman]

You might 'think' members of the TP believe the government doesn't follow the supreme law of the land. I think most members of the TP have no idea - and that includes you - of what is and what is not Constitutional. That question is decided by The Supreme Court and even they rarely agree.

GWB cut taxes twice, and since he did the national debt has continued to grow. If you had a large credit card balance, do you think taking a salary cut would aid in reducing that debt?

How does cutting government work? Does one fire 50% of the work force in one year? Do you 'think' that might have a deleterious effect on economic growth?

How do you see a "fiscally responsible government" operating? Is it fiscally responsible to allow the nations infrastructure to waste away? Do you believe spending to maintain a nation as do responsible home owners who paint and repair/replace gutters and roofs is responsible or not?

No doubt there is waste in government. Yet I've noticed the Members of Congress who advocate cutting entitlements and refusing to raise the minimum wage rarely refuse the benefits offered to them by their election.

I've noticed that Members of Congress who think Obamacare is so awesome refused to be required to take it themselves.

But you just make excuses for the oligarchy. That's what they want you to do.

I make no excuses for the power elite on either side of the aisle.

Laughable.

 

[Lumpy 1]

I've noticed that Members of Congress who think Obamacare is so awesome refused to be required to take it themselves.

But you just make excuses for the oligarchy. That's what they want you to do.

I make no excuses for the power elite on either side of the aisle.

Laughable.

..and unbelievable...

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Experts say the number of physicians unloading their practices to hospitals is up 30% to 40% in the last five years. Doctors who sell typically become employees of the hospital, as do the people who work for them. The reasons for the trend vary. Doctors are tired of the hassle of filing insurance claims and collecting payments from patients and want to only focus on medicine again. Medicare reimbursement rates have fallen and insurance companies have been lowering their contract rates in their networks.

For most doctors, selling out to hospitals is good for both themselves and their patients. Hours spent on running the business are available to see patients and coordinating care with hospital services and other physicians is is faster and more cost effective.

There are two kinds of private practices left in America. Those that sold to hospitals and those that are about to be so.

Selling out to hospitals is not good for doctors, as Obamacare looks to cut costs. In order to be more "cost effective", doctors who look to hospitals will soon find the same below market value reimbursement rates that they saw through their own private practice.

Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC) said that reimbursement rates should “immediately” be made “site neutral”. In other words, the price arbitrage between Medicare’s outpatient and inpatient billing schemes should be ended.

MedPAC said the fees that Medicare pays under its hospital-based, Part A scheme should be cut to match the lower outpatient, Part B fee schedule. “f the same service can be safely provided in different settings, a prudent purchaser should not pay more for that service in one setting than in another,” the MedPAC report stated.

This reckoning was inevitable. Physician reimbursement needs to come down to accommodate Obamacare.


Doctors Will Have To Take A Pay Cut Under Obamacare - Forbes

When a doctor sells out their practice to a hospital, they will soon discover that they must still accept reimbursement rates BELOW market value due directly to Obamacare desiring to become more cost effective. As a result, you will not find doctors in favor of practicing medicine while government is looking to increase their workload while being forced to accept lower pay.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Well for sure, one specific thing Tea Partiers would like to see happen is included in the overall concept of returning government to its constitutional roots:

One of the first things I think Tea Partiers would mandate is that no person in any part of government could use or obligate the tax payers' money to benefit any person, group, demographic, or entity that did not benefit everybody else - and -

Members of Congress would be required to submit themselves to ALL regulations, rules, and laws that they pass for anybody.

Would our leftist friends or anti-tea party folks agree to that?

Gee, providing counseling to PTSD vets who suffer from drug or alcohol dependence subsequent to serving in combat is opposed by "Tea Partiers" because it doesn't benefit the CEO's wife who consumes too many martini's. Sorry for the inherent sarcasm here but that point I find ridiculous.

I agree with point number two, sadly both the Senate and the H. of Rep. right the rules for their own legislative process and the bills they pass. No amount of pressure, it seems, could sway them to give up the many perks and benefits they have granted themselves.

Article I of the Constitution would need to be amended to force such a change in point number two.

I wonder if a "reliable link" would be possible..

Sure, here is the link:

Sarcasm | Define Sarcasm at Dictionary.com

Did you miss this: "Sorry for the inherent sarcasm here but that point I find ridiculous."

 

[Lumpy 1]

Gee, providing counseling to PTSD vets who suffer from drug or alcohol dependence subsequent to serving in combat is opposed by "Tea Partiers" because it doesn't benefit the CEO's wife who consumes too many martini's. Sorry for the inherent sarcasm here but that point I find ridiculous.

I agree with point number two, sadly both the Senate and the H. of Rep. right the rules for their own legislative process and the bills they pass. No amount of pressure, it seems, could sway them to give up the many perks and benefits they have granted themselves.

Article I of the Constitution would need to be amended to force such a change in point number two.

I wonder if a "reliable link" would be possible..

Sure, here is the link:

Sarcasm | Define Sarcasm at Dictionary.com

Did you miss this: "Sorry for the inherent sarcasm here but that point I find ridiculous."

Sorry, I've never noticed you having a sense of humor, absurdity, most definitely.

 

[Flopper]

Experts say the number of physicians unloading their practices to hospitals is up 30% to 40% in the last five years. Doctors who sell typically become employees of the hospital, as do the people who work for them. The reasons for the trend vary. Doctors are tired of the hassle of filing insurance claims and collecting payments from patients and want to only focus on medicine again. Medicare reimbursement rates have fallen and insurance companies have been lowering their contract rates in their networks.

For most doctors, selling out to hospitals is good for both themselves and their patients. Hours spent on running the business are available to see patients and coordinating care with hospital services and other physicians is is faster and more cost effective.

There are two kinds of private practices left in America. Those that sold to hospitals and those that are about to be so.

Selling out to hospitals is not good for doctors, as Obamacare looks to cut costs. In order to be more "cost effective", doctors who look to hospitals will soon find the same below market value reimbursement rates that they saw through their own private practice.

Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC) said that reimbursement rates should “immediately” be made “site neutral”. In other words, the price arbitrage between Medicare’s outpatient and inpatient billing schemes should be ended.

MedPAC said the fees that Medicare pays under its hospital-based, Part A scheme should be cut to match the lower outpatient, Part B fee schedule. “f the same service can be safely provided in different settings, a prudent purchaser should not pay more for that service in one setting than in another,” the MedPAC report stated.

This reckoning was inevitable. Physician reimbursement needs to come down to accommodate Obamacare.


Doctors Will Have To Take A Pay Cut Under Obamacare - Forbes

When a doctor sells out their practice to a hospital, they will soon discover that they must still accept reimbursement rates BELOW market value due directly to Obamacare desiring to become more cost effective. As a result, you will not find doctors in favor of practicing medicine while government is looking to increase their workload while being forced to accept lower pay.

My brother who was in partnership with 4 other doctors sold their practice to a local hospital and it certainly benefited him. He's has more time for his patients and makes about same amount of money. He's tie into the hospital/clinic network and can see the results of patient's x-rays, mri's, blood test, hospital status, and other doctors notes and treatments in minutes or hours. Instead of driving to the hospital to see a patient, he has a short walk to next building. It's a big plus for many doctors. The trend started long before Obamacare. However Obamacare probably accelerated it because reimbursement rates to hospitals have stayed about the same while they've gone down for many doctors.

I think the perception that most doctors want to be entrepreneurs is wrong. Most doctors want to practice medicine, not run a business.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Experts say the number of physicians unloading their practices to hospitals is up 30% to 40% in the last five years.

Since they know their business will be seized by the government, it's a wise move.

Doctors who sell typically become employees of the hospital, as do the people who work for them.

False.

Typically the owning doctors leave medicine after selling the practice.

The number of actual physicians in the United States is dropping dramatically. Patients visiting facilities rarely, if ever see a physician. You might see a Physicians assistant or an RN - but most likely the person treating you will be a medical technician, with about 2 years of post high school education.

https://www.aamc.org/download/286592/data/

Socialism in action.

The reasons for the trend vary. Doctors are tired of the hassle of filing insurance claims and collecting payments from patients and want to only focus on medicine again.

Your claims are false and your conclusions, based on those falsehoods is absurd. The risk/reward calculus no longer makes it advantageous to be a doctor.

Medicare reimbursement rates have fallen and insurance companies have been lowering their contract rates in their networks.

For most doctors, selling out to hospitals is good for both themselves and their patients. Hours spent on running the business are available to see patients and coordinating care with hospital services and other physicians is is faster and more cost effective.

Bullshit.

It is a disaster for the patient. Medical care is about as personal as a trip to the DMV. The technician seeing you might have your chart, but has no clue what your condition is and will ONLY treat what is obvious. Do NOT expect health care - only treatment.

There are two kinds of private practices left in America. Those that sold to hospitals and those that are about to be so.

And so the era of quality health care ends. Celebrate the mediocre and mundane - it is the way of socialism.

 

[Foxfyre]

Experts say the number of physicians unloading their practices to hospitals is up 30% to 40% in the last five years.

Since they know their business will be seized by the government, it's a wise move.

Doctors who sell typically become employees of the hospital, as do the people who work for them.

False.

Typically the owning doctors leave medicine after selling the practice.

The number of actual physicians in the United States is dropping dramatically. Patients visiting facilities rarely, if ever see a physician. You might see a Physicians assistant or an RN - but most likely the person treating you will be a medical technician, with about 2 years of post high school education.

https://www.aamc.org/download/286592/data/

Socialism in action.



Your claims are false and your conclusions, based on those falsehoods is absurd. The risk/reward calculus no longer makes it advantageous to be a doctor.

Medicare reimbursement rates have fallen and insurance companies have been lowering their contract rates in their networks.

For most doctors, selling out to hospitals is good for both themselves and their patients. Hours spent on running the business are available to see patients and coordinating care with hospital services and other physicians is is faster and more cost effective.

Bullshit.

It is a disaster for the patient. Medical care is about as personal as a trip to the DMV. The technician seeing you might have your chart, but has no clue what your condition is and will ONLY treat what is obvious. Do NOT expect health care - only treatment.

There are two kinds of private practices left in America. Those that sold to hospitals and those that are about to be so.

And so the era of quality health care ends. Celebrate the mediocre and mundane - it is the way of socialism.

I have the pleasure and duty of driving my elderly aunt and uncle to their many doctor appointments. And because the family general practioner is effectively non existent any more, they need a different doctor for each of the many medical issues that are being treated.

As you point out, it has become unusual for them to see the doctor on these visits. It more often is with a PA or just the nurse or tech who checks them over, enters the information into the computer, charges them the same amount that would be charged if they had seen a doctor, and sends them on their way. But to make sure there would be no inadvertent errors, I have taken the time to list every medication they take, the dosage, who prescribed it, etc. and also a list of 12 different doctors they see.

Most of their doctors were American born just a few years ago. But after a few years of phasing in Obamacare--I'm not saying that is the only reason but it is interesting that the two events coincide--they now have one out of the twelve who is American born. It is taking increasingly longer to get an appointment to see even your primary doctor, the waits are longer in the waiting rooms, the hospitals are seriously understaffed, and to get a call back from a doctor within a reasonable time is rare. We utilize emergency rooms more than ever because that is the only medical service you can get on short notice. Both Mr. Foxfyre and I have lost our primary physicians this year and our copays and deductibles have been doubled.

It is unfortunate that the same people who are defending or shrugging off this syndrome are the same people who hold the Tea Party in such disdain.

If the medical system was still being run by Tea Party ideals, it would still be the best in the world.

 

[Flopper]

Experts say the number of physicians unloading their practices to hospitals is up 30% to 40% in the last five years.

Since they know their business will be seized by the government, it's a wise move.

Doctors who sell typically become employees of the hospital, as do the people who work for them.

False.

Typically the owning doctors leave medicine after selling the practice.

The number of actual physicians in the United States is dropping dramatically. Patients visiting facilities rarely, if ever see a physician. You might see a Physicians assistant or an RN - but most likely the person treating you will be a medical technician, with about 2 years of post high school education.

https://www.aamc.org/download/286592/data/

Socialism in action.



Your claims are false and your conclusions, based on those falsehoods is absurd. The risk/reward calculus no longer makes it advantageous to be a doctor.

Medicare reimbursement rates have fallen and insurance companies have been lowering their contract rates in their networks.

For most doctors, selling out to hospitals is good for both themselves and their patients. Hours spent on running the business are available to see patients and coordinating care with hospital services and other physicians is is faster and more cost effective.

Bullshit.

It is a disaster for the patient. Medical care is about as personal as a trip to the DMV. The technician seeing you might have your chart, but has no clue what your condition is and will ONLY treat what is obvious. Do NOT expect health care - only treatment.

There are two kinds of private practices left in America. Those that sold to hospitals and those that are about to be so.

And so the era of quality health care ends. Celebrate the mediocre and mundane - it is the way of socialism.

From your link, "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services estimates that the physician supply will increase by only 7 percent in the next 10 years." The projected shortage in doctors is is not because of a mass exit but rather an increased demand for their services. Demand for more medical services by baby boomers plus millions of new patients due to Obamacare will put a strain on the system. Conservatives will consider it a crisis. I doubt those that haven't been able to afford medical care in years will mind.

What we should be discussing is how to increase the number of doctors, not reducing the number of patients.

 

[HenryBHough]

You'll LIKE "Concierge Care" but only after you've experienced the cost of buying Obamacare.

 

[daveman]

Experts say the number of physicians unloading their practices to hospitals is up 30% to 40% in the last five years.

Since they know their business will be seized by the government, it's a wise move.



False.

Typically the owning doctors leave medicine after selling the practice.

The number of actual physicians in the United States is dropping dramatically. Patients visiting facilities rarely, if ever see a physician. You might see a Physicians assistant or an RN - but most likely the person treating you will be a medical technician, with about 2 years of post high school education.

https://www.aamc.org/download/286592/data/

Socialism in action.



Your claims are false and your conclusions, based on those falsehoods is absurd. The risk/reward calculus no longer makes it advantageous to be a doctor.



Bullshit.

It is a disaster for the patient. Medical care is about as personal as a trip to the DMV. The technician seeing you might have your chart, but has no clue what your condition is and will ONLY treat what is obvious. Do NOT expect health care - only treatment.

There are two kinds of private practices left in America. Those that sold to hospitals and those that are about to be so.

And so the era of quality health care ends. Celebrate the mediocre and mundane - it is the way of socialism.

From your link, "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services estimates that the physician supply will increase by only 7 percent in the next 10 years." The projected shortage in doctors is is not because of a mass exit but rather an increased demand for their services. Demand for more medical services by baby boomers plus millions of new patients due to Obamacare will put a strain on the system. Conservatives will consider it a crisis. I doubt those that haven't been able to afford medical care in years will mind.

What we should be discussing is how to increase the number of doctors, not reducing the number of patients.

I know! I know! How about yet another in a seemingly endless fucking series of wasteful, inefficient, incompetently-run and poorly-thought-out government programs?

Hey, it's only tax dollars, right?

 

[Lumpy 1]

..and the persecution continues...