Tea Party/GOP have almost destroyed liberal movment; Keep it up Conservatives.

[AVG-JOE]

Of course, you guys are right, terminology matters. "Liberal" is a term that far left socialists/commies have hijacked. True liberalism is closer to the Tea Party ideals than Obama's, but the far left hijacked the term.

But far left progressive socialism is dying. Thank God.

I don't see any reason someone couldn't be a true liberal and a true conservative. Faux liberals advocate the worst solution to helping people, government. Faux conservatives advocate the worst solution to morality, government.

There is no reason you couldn't be a true, fiscal conservative and a true liberal who believes in helping people. The war is not between conservatism and liberalism. The war is between two sides who coped out and advocate government to take their responsibility for them.

Can't be done. A true liberal is all about freedom in the bedroom, freedom in the marketplace and personal responsibility for actions both cool and uncool.

Conservatives are all about consolidating power and then maintaining the status quo, hence the term "Conservative Dick-tater" we see getting tossed around The Middle East during these times of movement toward Liberal Democracy.

 

[bucs90]

Bucs.........has it not been a fcukking hoot to blog in here over the past year?? The makey-uppey world of the left is fading..........and fast. Watching the meltdown is better than sex............

Well............I can't say better than sex. My current girlfriend is pretty hot, and she brings me free food home from Hooters after work, so she'd kill me if I said that.

But aside from that, and watching a good weekend of college football, yes, watching the left meltdown is among the most fun things I've ever seen.

Seeing people place their hopes in fantasy land government promises, only to see them collapse, is priceless. It wouldn't be fun at all if not for the preachy, self-righteous attitudes of the left. Their ability to convince themselves of their intellectual superiority is the best/worst. They are self-convinced that they are smarter than all the rest of us. They just know they have the world figured out by sophomore year. And without much life experience, they assume they are smarter than someone who has a lot.


They too often don't grasp the following:

A person can be uneducated, but very smart. While a person can also be very educated, and still be a dumbass.

They dont grasp that. They still think a 4 year liberal arts degree in sociology makes one "smarter" than a 50 year old man who started his own business, never went to college, and raised a family off of it.

The common street cop without a degree is 100X smarter in the science of humanity than is any Ivy League college student. Or professor, I'd argue. Nothing can replace basic common sense, and libs are severely lacking this.

 

[Dr.Drock]

I dream of the day common sense kicks in and people stop calling the GOP conservative.

I'm going to assume all of the posters on this board were alive from 2001-2007 when the GOP had full control of everything, I don't remember seeing one single budget or spending bill I'd consider conservative.

 

[konradv]

A true liberal believes in ignoring faults and just allowing people to be what they are. Live and let live.

Then you'll love this. MD leading the way in "allowing people to be what they are".

Md. Senate approves same-sex marriage - Baltimore Sun

 

[AVG-JOE]

Of course, you guys are right, terminology matters. "Liberal" is a term that far left socialists/commies have hijacked. True liberalism is closer to the Tea Party ideals than Obama's, but the far left hijacked the term.

But far left progressive socialism is dying. Thank God.

I don't see any reason someone couldn't be a true liberal and a true conservative. Faux liberals advocate the worst solution to helping people, government. Faux conservatives advocate the worst solution to morality, government.

There is no reason you couldn't be a true, fiscal conservative and a true liberal who believes in helping people. The war is not between conservatism and liberalism. The war is between two sides who coped out and advocate government to take their responsibility for them.

I agree 100%, a true liberal can easily be a true conservative also. Because to be a true liberal (believing in personal freedom) one must be a true conservative, and also value self reliance and repsonsibility. We really only need a government because there are irresponsible people out there. Other than the military and roads, the only thing gov't does is care for or control irresponsible people. Almost everything gov't does can be done by the people, but we simply won't.

Perhaps we need to revisit a definition for "Conservatism":

Conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to preserve")[1] is a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions and supports, at the most, minimal and gradual change in society. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others oppose modernism and seek a return to the way things were.

Conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Tea Bag Partier]

Tea Party/GOP have almost destroyed liberal movment; Keep it up Conservatives.

Kudos on your honesty that attacking unions isn't really about balancing budgets; that its about an emotional and ideological hatred of unions and about a weird ass fetish for punishing working people who happen to usually vote democratic.

I applaud your honesty in joining Gov. Walker, as captured on audio tape, that this isn't about some benign attempt to be fiscally frugal-- that its about union busting.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Of course, you guys are right, terminology matters. "Liberal" is a term that far left socialists/commies have hijacked. True liberalism is closer to the Tea Party ideals than Obama's, but the far left hijacked the term.

But far left progressive socialism is dying. Thank God.

I don't see any reason someone couldn't be a true liberal and a true conservative. Faux liberals advocate the worst solution to helping people, government. Faux conservatives advocate the worst solution to morality, government.

There is no reason you couldn't be a true, fiscal conservative and a true liberal who believes in helping people. The war is not between conservatism and liberalism. The war is between two sides who coped out and advocate government to take their responsibility for them.

I agree 100%, a true liberal can easily be a true conservative also. Because to be a true liberal (believing in personal freedom) one must be a true conservative, and also value self reliance and repsonsibility. We really only need a government because there are irresponsible people out there. Other than the military and roads, the only thing gov't does is care for or control irresponsible people. Almost everything gov't does can be done by the people, but we simply won't.

Liberals don't believe in helping people. Liberals believe that people should be left alone to succeed or fail. Liberals also believe that anyone should be able to start a bar in their garage or sell weed in an open, public market, making it easier for folks to help themselves.

When crafting legislation to 'help people' you're reaching into the mindset of social democracy, not liberalism.

Government should run the enterprises that are necessary, but not profitable, like trash recycling, and projects that are too big for any single corporate interest to manage, like defense and roadways.

Liberal Government is also tasked with making sure no person or cooperative interest eliminates market competition by coercion, intimidation or legislation. This is proof that Liberal Thinking is as scarce as lobbyist morals inside The Beltway.

 

[Sallow]

Liberalism isn't what we're seeing. This is communism, Marxism, progressivism, you name it.

Now very few here on this board fit this description, so don't take it personal.

The people causing all of this aren't Liberals.

These people give liberals a bad name.

They've taken on the name of liberal when they know damned well they aren't.

Liberals are just what the name says, Liberal in thought. A true liberal believes in ignoring faults and just allowing people to be what they are. Live and let live. Political Correctness. These so-called Liberals have large well organized groups that want to take over energy, health care, banking, and any other essential element of this society by using the courts, the election process, or if all else fails by protest, and they use taxpayer funds to do it.

These people in Washington think they are more intelligent and more informed then the rest of us. That is why they constantly talk about their level of education. We are too stupid to control ourselves, so it's up to them to show us the way.

They tell everyone that the Middle Class is shrinking but it's their actions that are actually causing it. What you eventually get is class warfare because it becomes a battle between the haves and have-nots. They need the poor because when you're dependent on government you're desperate and willing to accept change.

They say they stand up for the little people all the while they are lining their own pockets with our money.

They say they're uniters when all they do is divide us. In government they don't intend on solving problems, but they invent wedge-issues intended to cause problems. Problems that could be solved with a little bit of common-sense are left to fester and grow in size till the problem becomes massive, but they need these problems to rally their support.

Everyone wonders why we're fighting instead of working together. Well, so-called Liberals need us to fight amongst ourselves. They need straw-men to blame their fuckups on. Dictators use the same tactics to keep in power. It's always somebody else that's causing the problem, never them.

Conservatives don't have all of the answers, but then again they aren't intentionally trying to fuck us over like Progressives are. But if you ask anyone on the left those on the right are all white, fat, and rich. These fat-cats are just out to screw us. Well the fact is the left is really just out to screw us.

I just don't think true Liberals exist in great numbers anymore, so yes, they are an endangered species.

What a load of crap.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Tea Party/GOP have almost destroyed liberal movment; Keep it up Conservatives.

The socialist movement has been no more destroyed than the conservative movement was in 2008 you dumb ass.

"Almost". Key word there.

There is a huge differnence. Progressive left wing ideology requires massive influx of money to governments. Well, guess what? Those days are long gone. We're broke. And with the global economy the way it is, those days are gone forever. A new reality has set in, and government Nanny State ideals are no longer logical. Conservatism is.

In 2008, the Bush movement ended. Not the conservative movement. Bush was a Republican, not a conservative. The conservative movement is just getting started. First priority? Well, we had a few, but getting rid of unions is one. Wisconsin is laying the ground work for that, and other states will follow.

This will bust up a massive fundraising wing of the Democratic Party, as unions will be broke. And with the recent SC ruling that corporations can express their 1st amendment rights, all the money is gonna flow to low tax candidates, aka, conservatives. With that newfound power being won in almost every single election outside of Berkeley, CA, the conservatives will slowly chip away at the cancerous mental tumor that is progressive liberalism.

Madison, WI is nowhere near the end. But it's a helluva start

GW Bush is the definition of 'Conservative'. Never in our history has the consolidation of power and maintenance of the directionality of the rivers of cash-flow in America been so effectively accomplished in so short an amount of time.

Union busting for the sake of killing the social democrats funding is no more moral than squelching the rights of any group of citizens to meet and discuss their lot in life and it's a fascist tactic. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[bucs90]

Tea Party/GOP have almost destroyed liberal movment; Keep it up Conservatives.

Kudos on your honesty that attacking unions isn't really about balancing budgets; that its about an emotional and ideological hatred of unions and about a weird ass fetish for punishing working people who happen to usually vote democratic.

I applaud your honesty in joining Gov. Walker, as captured on audio tape, that this isn't about some benign attempt to be fiscally frugal-- that its about union busting.

Well, of course. Balancing a budget involves a LOT more than just getting rid of unions. It means attracting more business through tax cuts (which then produces more jobs, and in the end, more revenue from sales tax, property tax, etc, etc,). And it includes cutting spending, on wasteful welfare programs, bloated union contracts, etc. So yeah, unions are a part of it. But an overall defeat of progressive left wing ideology is a bigger issue when it comes to balancing the budget, aka, AVOIDING BANKRUPTCY.

It's not about punishing the 7% of people in unions. It's about not having to confiscate more money from the other 93% of people in order to meet demands of that 7% who hold our kids education, our public safety, our construction industry, and other means of a society thriving, hostage through unions.

It's about not punishing the person who wants to do a job (cop, teacher) but does not want to be forced to give up $1,000 a year in union dues to do so. Maybe that person feels confident working outside a union and earning his way on merit. Unfortunately, that person is willing to work next to a union man. But the union man refuses to work next to a non-union man. Tolerance, right?


But yeah, you're right. Fiscal balance requires union busting, among other things. Kinda like how winning a football game involves running the ball, throwing the ball, tackling, kicking, covering, coaching, etc? Lots of parts. Union busting is just one of them. It's not a secret.

 

[bucs90]

Liberalism isn't what we're seeing. This is communism, Marxism, progressivism, you name it.

Now very few here on this board fit this description, so don't take it personal.

The people causing all of this aren't Liberals.

These people give liberals a bad name.

They've taken on the name of liberal when they know damned well they aren't.

Liberals are just what the name says, Liberal in thought. A true liberal believes in ignoring faults and just allowing people to be what they are. Live and let live. Political Correctness. These so-called Liberals have large well organized groups that want to take over energy, health care, banking, and any other essential element of this society by using the courts, the election process, or if all else fails by protest, and they use taxpayer funds to do it.

These people in Washington think they are more intelligent and more informed then the rest of us. That is why they constantly talk about their level of education. We are too stupid to control ourselves, so it's up to them to show us the way.

They tell everyone that the Middle Class is shrinking but it's their actions that are actually causing it. What you eventually get is class warfare because it becomes a battle between the haves and have-nots. They need the poor because when you're dependent on government you're desperate and willing to accept change.

They say they stand up for the little people all the while they are lining their own pockets with our money.

They say they're uniters when all they do is divide us. In government they don't intend on solving problems, but they invent wedge-issues intended to cause problems. Problems that could be solved with a little bit of common-sense are left to fester and grow in size till the problem becomes massive, but they need these problems to rally their support.

Everyone wonders why we're fighting instead of working together. Well, so-called Liberals need us to fight amongst ourselves. They need straw-men to blame their fuckups on. Dictators use the same tactics to keep in power. It's always somebody else that's causing the problem, never them.

Conservatives don't have all of the answers, but then again they aren't intentionally trying to fuck us over like Progressives are. But if you ask anyone on the left those on the right are all white, fat, and rich. These fat-cats are just out to screw us. Well the fact is the left is really just out to screw us.

I just don't think true Liberals exist in great numbers anymore, so yes, they are an endangered species.

What a load of crap.

Your response was very convincing. You almost converted me to Democrat with such an intelligent, fact filled come back. Wow.

 

[mudwhistle]

Liberalism isn't what we're seeing. This is communism, Marxism, progressivism, you name it.

Now very few here on this board fit this description, so don't take it personal.

The people causing all of this aren't Liberals.

These people give liberals a bad name.

They've taken on the name of liberal when they know damned well they aren't.

Liberals are just what the name says, Liberal in thought. A true liberal believes in ignoring faults and just allowing people to be what they are. Live and let live. Political Correctness. These so-called Liberals have large well organized groups that want to take over energy, health care, banking, and any other essential element of this society by using the courts, the election process, or if all else fails by protest, and they use taxpayer funds to do it.

These people in Washington think they are more intelligent and more informed then the rest of us. That is why they constantly talk about their level of education. We are too stupid to control ourselves, so it's up to them to show us the way.

They tell everyone that the Middle Class is shrinking but it's their actions that are actually causing it. What you eventually get is class warfare because it becomes a battle between the haves and have-nots. They need the poor because when you're dependent on government you're desperate and willing to accept change.

They say they stand up for the little people all the while they are lining their own pockets with our money.

They say they're uniters when all they do is divide us. In government they don't intend on solving problems, but they invent wedge-issues intended to cause problems. Problems that could be solved with a little bit of common-sense are left to fester and grow in size till the problem becomes massive, but they need these problems to rally their support.

Everyone wonders why we're fighting instead of working together. Well, so-called Liberals need us to fight amongst ourselves. They need straw-men to blame their fuckups on. Dictators use the same tactics to keep in power. It's always somebody else that's causing the problem, never them.

Conservatives don't have all of the answers, but then again they aren't intentionally trying to fuck us over like Progressives are. But if you ask anyone on the left those on the right are all white, fat, and rich. These fat-cats are just out to screw us. Well the fact is the left is really just out to screw us.

I just don't think true Liberals exist in great numbers anymore, so yes, they are an endangered species.

What a load of crap.

Your response was very convincing. You almost converted me to Democrat with such an intelligent, fact filled come back. Wow.

I don't know. For a second there he had me. Then I saw something shiney and I lost focus

 

[kaz]

Of course, you guys are right, terminology matters. "Liberal" is a term that far left socialists/commies have hijacked. True liberalism is closer to the Tea Party ideals than Obama's, but the far left hijacked the term.

But far left progressive socialism is dying. Thank God.

I don't see any reason someone couldn't be a true liberal and a true conservative. Faux liberals advocate the worst solution to helping people, government. Faux conservatives advocate the worst solution to morality, government.

There is no reason you couldn't be a true, fiscal conservative and a true liberal who believes in helping people. The war is not between conservatism and liberalism. The war is between two sides who coped out and advocate government to take their responsibility for them.

I agree 100%, a true liberal can easily be a true conservative also. Because to be a true liberal (believing in personal freedom) one must be a true conservative, and also value self reliance and repsonsibility. We really only need a government because there are irresponsible people out there. Other than the military and roads, the only thing gov't does is care for or control irresponsible people. Almost everything gov't does can be done by the people, but we simply won't.

The politicians are good at scaring people to not let them take care of things. The liberals run around saying, OMG, they have more money then you... And the Republicans run around saying, OMG, what are they doing behind that closed bedroom door....

They won't change until people stop listening to that nonsense.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

I love how all the republican retards are celebrating stripping American people of their rights. Way to go, assholes! If this becomes the trend, you can kiss America goodbye for good, the corporations have finally won. Then, welcome to McMerica, the ultimate idiocracy!