TAXES: what the 1% have paid for 100 years

[Truthmatters]

As a useful idiot you leave a lot to be desired

That would make the OP a totally NON "USEFUL-IDIOT". which really seems like the way to go, not to be useful to you all TOTAL IDIOTS!

Yeah I saw that one earlier and just ignored it. Frank is a shitty debator and I ignore him most of the time.

 

[Truthmatters]

got nothing Non elitist?

you sure defend the elite for a guy with that name.

 

[California Girl]

got nothing Non elitist?

you sure defend the elite for a guy with that name.

"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones."

 

[ihopehefails]

I take it niether of you actually looked at the chart of the years we gave big tax cuts to the 1%.

I also note neither of you could remark on the Facts presented.

Tell me what the rate was in the years leading up to the great depression?

Thats because there were no facts presented. You start out what the rich paid but break into how the economy has done. How are what income taxes collected related to the GDP of an economy. I would think that if the GDP was growing then the rich should be getting richer and taxes should go up.

 

[ihopehefails]

Nvm

 

[Againsheila]

So, in 1941, the top tax rate was 88% on $4,000,000 and in 2003 the top tax rate was 35% on $311,000. And people wonder where our priorities have gone and why our taxes are so high? How about we return to the tax rates of 1941 and see what happens...

 

[Againsheila]

Here is a tax breakdown:

Top 1% - Pay 40% of all taxes
Top 5% - Pay 60.% of all taxes
Bottom 50% - Pay less than 3% of all taxes.

To put this another way... lets say you take out your 100 coworkers to lunch. You are the richest person there. You, and you alone, would pay for 40% of the bill. Still think that is fair?


You fricken whining little babies on the left can shut up. The rich pay much more than their fair share of the taxes.

Damn you all are ignorant.

And rightly so. In the case of a complete financial meltdown, they would have the most to lose.

The top 10% own more wealth than the bottom 90% combined, they should be paying 90% of the taxes...let's be fair, shall we?

 

[mascale]

The rich don't buy anything more, and the unemployed don't make anything more, and so it makes sense to take the useless money of the rich and provide useful purchasing power to the unenployed.

In Vague Recognition of the Problem, ("No Idea! I Have No Idea!"), the Republicans in the Senate actually do not have a bail-our of state and local government in the jobs bill. Something like the following appears in current articles:

"The House bill would take $27 billion in TARP bank bailout funds to the states to prevent them from laying off teachers, police officers and firefighters." The Senate version does not.

Why would anyone want to bail the very people who caused it all? TARP already did a lot of that, and even Bernanke almost didn't get a confirmation to a second term. The scum in the quote tend to draw fixed percentage-raised pay. The rich get richer. They poor get poorer.

TARP is a world famous admission that the economy policed, educated, and doused by those other people who caused it all: Doesn't work! For a change, the Republicans are not sending them any more money. These pigs and whores that dominate Wall Street.

Only anyone insane would let little kids even live on the same planet where the teachers, police officers, and firefighters live--who did all this too them, drawing pay!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Land was filled with Buffalo. . . .And Spoor, useful for real fires! White Man have no sense of decency, and no sense of shame!)

 

[Care4all]

Here is a tax breakdown:

Top 1% - Pay 40% of all taxes
Top 5% - Pay 60.% of all taxes
Bottom 50% - Pay less than 3% of all taxes.

To put this another way... lets say you take out your 100 coworkers to lunch. You are the richest person there. You, and you alone, would pay for 40% of the bill. Still think that is fair?


You fricken whining little babies on the left can shut up. The rich pay much more than their fair share of the taxes.

Damn you all are ignorant.

YOU are plain WRONG....your terminology is WRONG.

Those top percentage groups DO NOT PAY those amounts of ALL TAXES.....they pay that amount of the INCOME taxes collected which is ONLY about 1 trillion a year of the OVER 3 trillion, our government spends...the other taxes that our federal government collects from ALL OF US, is not included in your SELECTIVE Stats....

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Here is a tax breakdown:

Top 1% - Pay 40% of all taxes
Top 5% - Pay 60.% of all taxes
Bottom 50% - Pay less than 3% of all taxes.

To put this another way... lets say you take out your 100 coworkers to lunch. You are the richest person there. You, and you alone, would pay for 40% of the bill. Still think that is fair?


You fricken whining little babies on the left can shut up. The rich pay much more than their fair share of the taxes.

Damn you all are ignorant.

YOU are plain WRONG....your terminology is WRONG.

Those top percentage groups DO NOT PAY those amounts of ALL TAXES.....they pay that amount of the INCOME taxes collected which is ONLY about 1 trillion a year of the OVER 3 trillion, our government spends...the other taxes that our federal government collects from ALL OF US, is not included in your SELECTIVE Stats....

Total bullshit.

 

[DiamondDave]

Here is a tax breakdown:

Top 1% - Pay 40% of all taxes
Top 5% - Pay 60.% of all taxes
Bottom 50% - Pay less than 3% of all taxes.

To put this another way... lets say you take out your 100 coworkers to lunch. You are the richest person there. You, and you alone, would pay for 40% of the bill. Still think that is fair?


You fricken whining little babies on the left can shut up. The rich pay much more than their fair share of the taxes.

Damn you all are ignorant.

And rightly so. In the case of a complete financial meltdown, they would have the most to lose.

The top 10% own more wealth than the bottom 90% combined, they should be paying 90% of the taxes...let's be fair, shall we?

Again... we do not, nor should we tax on net worth year after year... income during the year is one thing... retaxing accumulated wealth or someone's nest egg is bullshit

 

[DiamondDave]

Here is a tax breakdown:

Top 1% - Pay 40% of all taxes
Top 5% - Pay 60.% of all taxes
Bottom 50% - Pay less than 3% of all taxes.

To put this another way... lets say you take out your 100 coworkers to lunch. You are the richest person there. You, and you alone, would pay for 40% of the bill. Still think that is fair?


You fricken whining little babies on the left can shut up. The rich pay much more than their fair share of the taxes.

Damn you all are ignorant.

YOU are plain WRONG....your terminology is WRONG.

Those top percentage groups DO NOT PAY those amounts of ALL TAXES.....they pay that amount of the INCOME taxes collected which is ONLY about 1 trillion a year of the OVER 3 trillion, our government spends...the other taxes that our federal government collects from ALL OF US, is not included in your SELECTIVE Stats....

The other taxes are voluntary taxes on SPENDING... you can avoid those, just as you can avoid income tax... you don't want to pay income tax, nobody is forcing you to work (just don't think you are owed an entitlement or handout if you make that choice)... and if you don't want to pay federal gas tax or cigarette tax or import taxes, don't buy gas, don't buy smokes, and don't buy a foreign car....

And the tax rate on excise taxes are EQUAL % for everyone... unlike the bullshit penalties of the income tax for the touchy-feely Robin Hoods out there... again, selective equality

 

[QUENTIN]

"The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state. The expense of government to the individuals of a great nation is like the expense of management to the joint tenants of a great estate, who are all obliged to contribute in proportion to their respective interests in the estate. In the observation or neglect of this maxim consists what is called the equality or inequality of taxation.

The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

-Adam Smith, Father of Capitalism, in The Wealth of Nations, Foundation of Capitalist Economic Theory

That those who make 440 times what the average worker does paying taxes in relation to their wealth, not just 30-40% of anything over a few million, isn't socialism, leftism, or class warfare. It is capitalism, uncorrupted by the undue and extreme level of influence of the wealthy, which the founding fathers and nation's leaders warned of and tried to prevent.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.

-Samuel Adams, Founding Father

We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can’t have both.

Louis D. Brandeis, Justice of The Supreme Court

History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance.

-James Madison, Founding Father and President of The United States

Every man is equally entitled to protection by law; but when the laws undertake to add artificial distinctions, to grant titles, gratuities, and exclusive privileges, to make the rich richer and the potent more powerful, the humble members of society -- the farmers, mechanics, and laborers -- who have neither the time nor the means of securing like favors to themselves, have a right to complain of the injustice of their government.

Andrew Jackson, President of The United States

I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war

Abraham Lincoln, President of The United States

The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.

-Franklin Delano Roosevelt, President of The United States

Truly progressive taxation is a foundational principle of democracy and capitalism. What those who oppose it are opposing is not some nefarious brand of Marxism, but rather a country run by, of, and for the people. What they support is a plutocracy.

 

[Care4all]

Here is a tax breakdown:

Top 1% - Pay 40% of all taxes
Top 5% - Pay 60.% of all taxes
Bottom 50% - Pay less than 3% of all taxes.

To put this another way... lets say you take out your 100 coworkers to lunch. You are the richest person there. You, and you alone, would pay for 40% of the bill. Still think that is fair?


You fricken whining little babies on the left can shut up. The rich pay much more than their fair share of the taxes.

Damn you all are ignorant.

YOU are plain WRONG....your terminology is WRONG.

Those top percentage groups DO NOT PAY those amounts of ALL TAXES.....they pay that amount of the INCOME taxes collected which is ONLY about 1 trillion a year of the OVER 3 trillion, our government spends...the other taxes that our federal government collects from ALL OF US, is not included in your SELECTIVE Stats....

Total bullshit.

It is NOT total bullshit my dear....he is using the WRONG TERM by saying ALL taxes instead of INCOME taxes.

 

[Truthmatters]

I take it niether of you actually looked at the chart of the years we gave big tax cuts to the 1%.

I also note neither of you could remark on the Facts presented.

Tell me what the rate was in the years leading up to the great depression?

Thats because there were no facts presented. You start out what the rich paid but break into how the economy has done. How are what income taxes collected related to the GDP of an economy. I would think that if the GDP was growing then the rich should be getting richer and taxes should go up.

That chart is historic fact.

They are the rates for those years NOT what the 1% paid.

They included deductions for these people and the deductions gave them an ACTUAL tax bill of much less.

We can adjust the deductions for the economic conditions of the time.

Now face the facts that the Tax rates under Ronnie your GOD was much higher than Obama is asking for.

 

[rightwinger]

I take it niether of you actually looked at the chart of the years we gave big tax cuts to the 1%.

I also note neither of you could remark on the Facts presented.

Tell me what the rate was in the years leading up to the great depression?

I stopped taking your post seriously when you suggested that the rich should thank you. What a fucking idiot you are.

What do you object to in the chart? It shows we have lower taxes on the wealthy than we did under Ron Reagan. You should be beaming

 

[Care4all]

Here is a tax breakdown:

Top 1% - Pay 40% of all taxes
Top 5% - Pay 60.% of all taxes
Bottom 50% - Pay less than 3% of all taxes.

To put this another way... lets say you take out your 100 coworkers to lunch. You are the richest person there. You, and you alone, would pay for 40% of the bill. Still think that is fair?


You fricken whining little babies on the left can shut up. The rich pay much more than their fair share of the taxes.

Damn you all are ignorant.

YOU are plain WRONG....your terminology is WRONG.

Those top percentage groups DO NOT PAY those amounts of ALL TAXES.....they pay that amount of the INCOME taxes collected which is ONLY about 1 trillion a year of the OVER 3 trillion, our government spends...the other taxes that our federal government collects from ALL OF US, is not included in your SELECTIVE Stats....

The other taxes are voluntary taxes on SPENDING... you can avoid those, just as you can avoid income tax... you don't want to pay income tax, nobody is forcing you to work (just don't think you are owed an entitlement or handout if you make that choice)... and if you don't want to pay federal gas tax or cigarette tax or import taxes, don't buy gas, don't buy smokes, and don't buy a foreign car....

And the tax rate on excise taxes are EQUAL % for everyone... unlike the bullshit penalties of the income tax for the touchy-feely Robin Hoods out there... again, selective equality

Again, I disagree.

You have to buy gasoline, in order to go to work....those taxes are a much higher percentage of these citizens than it is on the others...

having this split up tax system, imho Dave....allows congress more room to manipulate our taxes....and single out certain people MORESO than others...ie...cigarette smokers...

THAT'S JUST BULL and a way for congress to not have to show us on ONE FORM or with ONE FIGURE what they are really taxing us...it is a way to hide the impact of having to raise income taxes.....ya know?

 

[California Girl]

For the uber wealthy to pay more taxes for a time and help us pay off our debt and to educate, provide healthcare, rebuild our infrastructure, shore up SS and all the other things this country needs to do to put us on a track to be able to compete in this global economy and suceede.

Once that is all done then they can be lowered to a sustainable level.

The FACTS are that they have benifited by this whole fiasco and should pitch in as much as everyone to get us back up and running strong.

They pay the most taxes because they have the lions share of this wealth which they got from the hard work of ALL Americans.

They EARNED their wealth. Stop expecting other people to pay your debts. Pay it yourself, you lazyassed liberal. I'll keep what I earn, and won't expect anything from you. Why can you not keep your fucking paws off other people's money. You jealous lazyassed liberal.

 

[Againsheila]

For the uber wealthy to pay more taxes for a time and help us pay off our debt and to educate, provide healthcare, rebuild our infrastructure, shore up SS and all the other things this country needs to do to put us on a track to be able to compete in this global economy and suceede.

Once that is all done then they can be lowered to a sustainable level.

The FACTS are that they have benifited by this whole fiasco and should pitch in as much as everyone to get us back up and running strong.

They pay the most taxes because they have the lions share of this wealth which they got from the hard work of ALL Americans.

They EARNED their wealth. Stop expecting other people to pay your debts. Pay it yourself, you lazyassed liberal. I'll keep what I earn, and won't expect anything from you. Why can you not keep your fucking paws off other people's money. You jealous lazyassed liberal.

Do you really believe that CEO's "earn" 500 or more times the amount of money their workers make?

 

[Truthmatters]

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