Tax penalites for working/living outside of the US?

[YellowJacket]

I will be finishing school soon and I will be looking for a job with a company to live and work in Europe. I want to go to Europe (or Asia or Australia) because I want to experience new things and live life somewhere else. Once I get my ideal job, I plan on staying there until the day I die without ever stepping foot back into the US. I just wanted to know how much in taxes would the US Government take from me.

I'm also bouncing around the idea of renouncing my US Citizenship. I don't feel American at all. I don't even tell foreigners that I'm American when I travel (they probably can tell from the accent). I just feel that I just happened to be born in the US. Yes, my family has been here for who knows how long. Then with the whole Trayvon Martin case. It's not a great time to be an African-American (well I'm Black and White but I consider myself as only Black) in the US but then again when was it ever. I would go ahead and take that step but I'm also weighing mainly the tax penalties for it. Now, obviously I will make sure to stay in my country long enough to get citizenship somewhere then renounce my American one.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I'd like to help

But whiny pussies bring out the fuck you in me.

sorry about that.

 

[YellowJacket]

I don't accept your apology as I'm not offended. If that's the best you're willing to say then I wouldn't have been helped by your answer in the first place. I will apologize for hurting your feelings because I'm asking about leaving the US. I just want to know how much money (like percentage) will I have to forfeit to the government even though I don't live there anymore. I've always heard that if someone doesn't like it in the US. They should leave and I will exercise my right to leave. There is nothing for me in this country. I'm sorry for wanting to experience something else. I really have no reason to come back once I leave considering all of my immediate family are deceased. That has also been weighed in so far.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I don't accept your apology as I'm not offended. If that's the best you're willing to say then I wouldn't have been helped by your answer in the first place. I will apologize for hurting your feelings because I'm asking about leaving the US. I just want to know how much money (like percentage) will I have to forfeit to the government even though I don't live there anymore. I've always heard that if someone doesn't like it in the US. They should leave and I will exercise my right to leave. There is nothing for me in this country. I'm sorry for wanting to experience something else. I really have no reason to come back once I leave considering all of my immediate family are deceased. That has also been weighed in so far.

Ima gunna help you kick rocks
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The internet has all the answers. Don't say I never did nuthin for ya.

One question; Am I helping to pay for your education with grants?

 

[YellowJacket]

Let me shut down your "clever" grant jab. No, I didn't use any grants. I paid my education in cash. When my parents died as the only child, I received their estate which could only be fully accessed in college or when I turned 25. So, yeah I wrote a check and that's that. Sorry to burst your bubble.

The internet is inconsistent hence I started the thread. By the way, is your English always that inconsistent? I know this is the internet but it doesn't make it any less taxing to read.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Let me shut down your "clever" grant jab. No, I didn't use any grants. I paid my education in cash. When my parents died as the only child, I received their estate which could only be fully accessed in college or when I turned 25. So, yeah I wrote a check and that's that. Sorry to burst your bubble.

The internet is inconsistent hence I started the thread. By the way, is your English always that inconsistent? I know this is the internet but it doesn't make it any less taxing to read.

Sorry about your family.

I speak country to amuse myself

I also speak southern a little Philly, but my Chi Town is a little rusty

 

[editec]

Well if you want to avoid taxes, go into the military and get assigned to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Something like the first $120,000 a year you make there will be TAX FREE.

 

[Katzndogz]

You will be crushed by taxes. For one thing, there is a provison that the taxes you pay in a foreign country will be a deduction for US tax purposes. This is one of the loopholes obama intends to eliminate so that all the taxes you pay to a foreign country will be considered part of your income in the US.

You will, eventually, be forced into giving up your US citizenship. Whether you do it before or after you have gotten raped by the IRS is up to you. More people than ever are giving up their US citizenship. Now you know why.

 

[Ariux]

Afro Trayvon attacks a Jew-Hispanic, and whites get blamed. Yellowjacket responds with "It's not a great time to be an African-American", proving that shit isn't just skin-deep, it's to the bone and fills the skull.

I hope stupid crackers are taking note, Yellowjacket doesn't call himself "African-American" not because it's a cumbersome and silly term, but because he hates America. But, I can't blame anyone for hating American with that white-black socialist in office.

 

[YellowJacket]

Afro Trayvon attacks a Jew-Hispanic, and whites get blamed. Yellowjacket responds with "It's not a great time to be an African-American", proving that shit isn't just skin-deep, it's to the bone and fills the skull.

I hope stupid crackers are taking note, Yellowjacket doesn't call himself "African-American" not because it's a cumbersome and silly term, but because he hates America. But, I can't blame anyone for hating American with that white-black socialist in office.

Let me respond before this thread implodes. It's never a great time to be Black. The USA was established by the White men (for the most part) and Blacks just happened to finally given their natural right of freedom. That's the nature of the beast. Blacks will never fully be equal in this country but you can't complain you just have to make the best out of it. I'm only half black and I've faced countless examples of discrimination and racism but you can't cry in a corner. You just have to get through it and now, I may have an opportunity to leave. I will take it.

1. All of that said, I don't hate America.
2. African-American is a stupid term. Black American is a stupid term. I'm just Black, not a Black American not an African-American just Black.
3. I'm really withholding my opinion of the Trayvon case until the trial and all of the facts will rise to the surface. Blacks are propping this case up and Whites are utilizing defense mechanism in yelling back slurs and stereotypes. It's all gone mad in society regarding this.

If Zimmerman was dying on the side of the road. I would just walk right by him though. Let's not get this thread sidetracked. Are there any USA expats who work overseas on this website? Could they give me a rough estimate of how much they pay because I'm sure every case is different but you never know.

 

[Ariux]

The USA was established by the White men (for the most part) and Blacks just happened to finally given their natural right of freedom.

The USA was the greatest nation on Earth because it was established by white men. And, has always provided Afros with a higher quality of living that they would have had in Africa. Freedom is not natural for the Afro, as proven by their solid support of whichever candidates promises the biggest government to rule them. Yet, today, Afros have more rights than whites.

1. All of that said, I don't hate America.
2. African-American is a stupid term. Black American is a stupid term. I'm just Black, not a Black American not an African-American just Black.
3. I'm really withholding my opinion of the Trayvon case until the trial and all of the facts will rise to the surface. Blacks are propping this case up and Whites are utilizing defense mechanism in yelling back slurs and stereotypes. It's all gone mad in society regarding this.

You used the term African-American to assert your shitbrained belief that America is unfair to Afros. If it's a stupid term, why did you use it? And, what's unfair? Getting into good colleges because checking the "African American" box on the application compensates for dismal SAT scores? Getting jobs through AA programs, because companies have quotas to protect themselves from government lawsuits? Having your own TV channel? And, you get to blame blaming whites for anything that doesn't go your way, even if you're the one at fault, because having shit for brains leaves you incompetent?

You say you're half-white, yet you consider yourself all black. If being black sucks so much, why don't you try to pass yourself off as a swarthy white? Or, would your dragging knuckles get in the way of that charade? Or, maybe, you just don't want to lose out on all the privilege of passing as black?

If Zimmerman was dying on the side of the road. I would just walk right by him though.

Yes, because you're a piece of shit.

Are there any USA expats who work overseas on this website? Could they give me a rough estimate of how much they pay because I'm sure every case is different but you never know.

How much what pays? I'll throw you a bone. There are no tax penalties for living and working outside of the US. How your taxes are treated depends on how long you're out of the US and what the tax treaty is with the country where you are.

 

[YellowJacket]

The USA was the greatest nation on Earth because it was established by white men. And, has always provided Afros with a higher quality of living that they would have had in Africa. Freedom is not natural for the Afro, as proven by their solid support of whichever candidates promises the biggest government to rule them. Yet, today, Afros have more rights than whites.

The ignorance is so clear to read. No wonder you have such a bad rep on this site. Whites didn't provide anything. Blacks worked to better themselves. Blacks weren't getting government assistance until less then half a century ago. Some parts of the nation were keeping Blacks from living peacefully by consistently hassling them in society. Blacks do not have more rights than Whites and that is a horses*** claim. Whites will always have more power than Blacks if nothing else for the population number. Freedom is very natural to all people. Again, your ignorance is astounding.

You used the term African-American to assert your shitbrained belief that America is unfair to Afros. If it's a stupid term, why did you use it? And, what's unfair? Getting into good colleges because checking the "African American" box on the application compensates for dismal SAT scores? Getting jobs through AA programs, because companies have quotas to protect themselves from government lawsuits? Having your own TV channel? And, you get to blame blaming whites for anything that doesn't go your way, even if you're the one at fault, because having shit for brains leaves you incompetent?

I used the term to display how stupid it is in usage. Then again, because you're an imbecile, you wouldn't understand. Last time, I checked a black person better have a good claim to get into a school because that person is Black. If you said Native American then you would be correct. Companies have minority quotas not Black quotas. They can still not hire any Blacks. Really, are you that desperate using BET? BET's popularity is as low as ever and is any other TV network firm. They are too big to truly car about Blacks. They just spout some "Black" propaganda every 30 minutes out of 12 hours and sell TV slots.

You say you're half-white, yet you consider yourself all black. If being black sucks so much, why don't you try to pass yourself off as a swarthy white? Or, would your dragging knuckles get in the way of that charade? Or, maybe, you just don't want to lose out on all the privilege of passing as black?

If you looked at me, you can obviously tell I'm not fully white (I'm very light skinned) and you could probably guess that I'm mixed with Black so why not embrace it. I have no reason to embrace my White heritage so I don't. I mention it as I would be lying if I didn't. I don't care for it. I've been called White and yes I took offense to it but if you call me Black then I'm fine with it. So, yes you can get off your soapbox as you truly don't know what it means to be Black every day in this country. No matter how many Blacks work hard to better themselves. The ghetto Black man will always get the publicity. The best thing I can do is just live a reasonable life and tell people like you to go f*** yourself. Some people will focus themselves on the negative to make themselves feel better. I will say that it's good to know that people want you to fail as it is more reason to do well.

I went to Australia and I was treated with respect and dignity. I had an excellent time. I didn't have to look over my shoulder consistently. I didn't have to watch the policemen to make sure they didn't do anything. I felt like I don't have to carry any firearms around me. It was a great place to be. Nobody was particularly rude.

Yes, because you're a piece of shit.

Yes, you are so much of a saint that you hurt my feelings. Would you want me to help him?

 

[California Girl]

Afro Trayvon attacks a Jew-Hispanic, and whites get blamed. Yellowjacket responds with "It's not a great time to be an African-American", proving that shit isn't just skin-deep, it's to the bone and fills the skull.

I hope stupid crackers are taking note, Yellowjacket doesn't call himself "African-American" not because it's a cumbersome and silly term, but because he hates America. But, I can't blame anyone for hating American with that white-black socialist in office.

Let me respond before this thread implodes. It's never a great time to be Black. The USA was established by the White men (for the most part) and Blacks just happened to finally given their natural right of freedom. That's the nature of the beast. Blacks will never fully be equal in this country but you can't complain you just have to make the best out of it. I'm only half black and I've faced countless examples of discrimination and racism but you can't cry in a corner. You just have to get through it and now, I may have an opportunity to leave. I will take it.

1. All of that said, I don't hate America.
2. African-American is a stupid term. Black American is a stupid term. I'm just Black, not a Black American not an African-American just Black.
3. I'm really withholding my opinion of the Trayvon case until the trial and all of the facts will rise to the surface. Blacks are propping this case up and Whites are utilizing defense mechanism in yelling back slurs and stereotypes. It's all gone mad in society regarding this.

If Zimmerman was dying on the side of the road. I would just walk right by him though. Let's not get this thread sidetracked. Are there any USA expats who work overseas on this website? Could they give me a rough estimate of how much they pay because I'm sure every case is different but you never know.

I live and work in Europe, and I'm American. Never felt the need to 'renounce' the land of my birth though. Americans are allowed to live outside the US without being drama queens.

 

[YellowJacket]

Thank you for your response. I know that Americans can live in Europe just fine but I was wondering that the tax implications of working overseas would make renouncing US Citizenship a better option after picking up citizenship from somewhere else of course.

 

[California Girl]

Thank you for your response. I know that Americans can live in Europe just fine but I was wondering that the tax implications of working overseas would make renouncing US Citizenship a better option after picking up citizenship from somewhere else of course.

Americans can 'live in Europe just fine'? Really? You are aware that there is this thing called 'immigration', right? You can't just pick a country and move there. You honestly don't seem like you have any idea of what is involved. You don't even seem aware of what country it is that you want to move to, or why, or what you'll do when when you get there. Can you speak the language? Do you have skill that they need? What can you offer them?

No, renouncing your citizenship will not make any difference whatsoever.

 

[YellowJacket]

Thank you for your response. I know that Americans can live in Europe just fine but I was wondering that the tax implications of working overseas would make renouncing US Citizenship a better option after picking up citizenship from somewhere else of course.

Americans can 'live in Europe just fine'? Really? You are aware that there is this thing called 'immigration', right? You can't just pick a country and move there. You honestly don't seem like you have any idea of what is involved. You don't even seem aware of what country it is that you want to move to, or why, or what you'll do when when you get there. Can you speak the language? Do you have skill that they need? What can you offer them?

No, renouncing your citizenship will not make any difference whatsoever.

You misunderstand me. I'm quite aware of the process of moving to many places. For example, in the UK your company that you will work for needs to send the Home Office a CV to apply for a Work Permit. I was referring to Americans able to live in Europe without being hassled by European people and society. I know the entire process of emigrating legally to EU countries and ANZAC region and Japan.

If you read my OP, I said that I will be looking for a job to work overseas. I will be looking mainly in the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Australia, New Zealand and Japan as I can speak English, German, French, Japanese and Italian fluently.

 

[California Girl]

Thank you for your response. I know that Americans can live in Europe just fine but I was wondering that the tax implications of working overseas would make renouncing US Citizenship a better option after picking up citizenship from somewhere else of course.

Americans can 'live in Europe just fine'? Really? You are aware that there is this thing called 'immigration', right? You can't just pick a country and move there. You honestly don't seem like you have any idea of what is involved. You don't even seem aware of what country it is that you want to move to, or why, or what you'll do when when you get there. Can you speak the language? Do you have skill that they need? What can you offer them?

No, renouncing your citizenship will not make any difference whatsoever.

You misunderstand me. I'm quite aware of the process of moving to many places. For example, in the UK your company that you will work for needs to send the Home Office a CV to apply for a Work Permit. I was referring to Americans able to live in Europe without being hassled by European people and society. I know the entire process of emigrating legally to EU countries and ANZAC region and Japan.

If you read my OP, I said that I will be looking for a job to work overseas. I will be looking mainly in the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Australia, New Zealand and Japan as I can speak English, German, French, Japanese and Italian fluently.

And you honestly think giving up your citizenship is gonna make any difference? Have you ever traveled outside the US before?

Your citizenship makes no fucking difference to ignorant people. You seem remarkably ignorant of other countries. You think they'll hassle you because you're American? Really? That might happen very occasionally.... you might also get hassled because you're black... so are you gonna become white? You're being ridiculous.

 

[Angelhair]

I will be finishing school soon and I will be looking for a job with a company to live and work in Europe. I want to go to Europe (or Asia or Australia) because I want to experience new things and live life somewhere else. Once I get my ideal job, I plan on staying there until the day I die without ever stepping foot back into the US. I just wanted to know how much in taxes would the US Government take from me.

I'm also bouncing around the idea of renouncing my US Citizenship. I don't feel American at all. I don't even tell foreigners that I'm American when I travel (they probably can tell from the accent). I just feel that I just happened to be born in the US. Yes, my family has been here for who knows how long. Then with the whole Trayvon Martin case. It's not a great time to be an African-American (well I'm Black and White but I consider myself as only Black) in the US but then again when was it ever. I would go ahead and take that step but I'm also weighing mainly the tax penalties for it. Now, obviously I will make sure to stay in my country long enough to get citizenship somewhere then renounce my American one.

Go to whichever country you desire. But don't be too quick in denouncing your U.S. citizenship just yet. You might not like what you see nor what you might experience. You seem very young and I would not jump in with both feet. I have yet to run across anybody who has left the USA and not returned with their tail tucked between their legs. BTW, it's not a great time to be ANYTHING right now in this country. Sounds like you are in that 'woe is me' mode. You might want to take some time to grown up. Just a little advice.

 

[YellowJacket]

Americans can 'live in Europe just fine'? Really? You are aware that there is this thing called 'immigration', right? You can't just pick a country and move there. You honestly don't seem like you have any idea of what is involved. You don't even seem aware of what country it is that you want to move to, or why, or what you'll do when when you get there. Can you speak the language? Do you have skill that they need? What can you offer them?

No, renouncing your citizenship will not make any difference whatsoever.

You misunderstand me. I'm quite aware of the process of moving to many places. For example, in the UK your company that you will work for needs to send the Home Office a CV to apply for a Work Permit. I was referring to Americans able to live in Europe without being hassled by European people and society. I know the entire process of emigrating legally to EU countries and ANZAC region and Japan.

If you read my OP, I said that I will be looking for a job to work overseas. I will be looking mainly in the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Australia, New Zealand and Japan as I can speak English, German, French, Japanese and Italian fluently.

And you honestly think giving up your citizenship is gonna make any difference? Have you ever traveled outside the US before?

Your citizenship makes no fucking difference to ignorant people. You seem remarkably ignorant of other countries. You think they'll hassle you because you're American? Really? That might happen very occasionally.... you might also get hassled because you're black... so are you gonna become white? You're being ridiculous.

You're not understanding me. I never said that citizenship will make a difference to people. I'm talking about to the government for taxes. The people themselves are irrelevant. I've been all around the world. Australia to Russia to France to Germany to many others. Yes, I get hassled occasionally because I'm an American as Europeans (and non-Europeans) loves to make jokes about the US but that's not an issue. I've never been hassled because I'm black. I seem ignorant but you're wrong. I know more about other countries than the US. No, I'm not going to be white now that is ridiculous. I'm not being ridiculous. You are putting words in my mouth and are assuming things that aren't the case.

I just wanted to know the effects of renouncing my citizenship from a financial perspective. If there is no effect then I won't renounce it because it would be meaningless as I won't be coming back once I leave anyway so no harm done.

 

[California Girl]

I will be finishing school soon and I will be looking for a job with a company to live and work in Europe. I want to go to Europe (or Asia or Australia) because I want to experience new things and live life somewhere else. Once I get my ideal job, I plan on staying there until the day I die without ever stepping foot back into the US. I just wanted to know how much in taxes would the US Government take from me.

I'm also bouncing around the idea of renouncing my US Citizenship. I don't feel American at all. I don't even tell foreigners that I'm American when I travel (they probably can tell from the accent). I just feel that I just happened to be born in the US. Yes, my family has been here for who knows how long. Then with the whole Trayvon Martin case. It's not a great time to be an African-American (well I'm Black and White but I consider myself as only Black) in the US but then again when was it ever. I would go ahead and take that step but I'm also weighing mainly the tax penalties for it. Now, obviously I will make sure to stay in my country long enough to get citizenship somewhere then renounce my American one.

Go to whichever country you desire. But don't be too quick in denouncing your U.S. citizenship just yet. You might not like what you see nor what you might experience. You seem very young and I would not jump in with both feet. I have yet to run across anybody who has left the USA and not returned with their tail tucked between their legs. BTW, it's not a great time to be ANYTHING right now in this country. Sounds like you are in that 'woe is me' mode. You might want to take some time to grown up. Just a little advice.

Firstly, one cannot just go to whichever country one desires. It is ridiculous to think that he can.

Secondly..... and this may come as a shock to you and to the OP.... but... most countries are struggling with high unemployment right now. We're not the only country that's in the shit.