Tax Free Weekends

[TakeAStepBack]

After government came along, we built a lot more roads. Without government, we wouldn't have built the interstate highway system in the 1950's.

After govt. came along? People built roads since the intiation of commerce. Some were established game trails. Some indian trails, etc....

True. All of the big ones were built at socialized cost.

Without governmetn we would all just sit around and wait for a way to transport goods, heh?

You're entitled to believe that if you'd like. Thank god for those extremely intelligent politicians whom without we would all still be walking barefoot and eating twigs and berries. LOL.

Did we have interstates before government built them?

Are you suggesting that nothing would have been done about transport routes if the government didnt do it?

I guess we dont, and never will know the answer, since the state took control of the idea and no chance was given to establish them in a free market capacity. it's like most things the government does. as soon as they usurp the authority to do it, we lose all sight of any other way. They love this fact too.

 

[RDD_1210]

I bet ya Millions of Socialist/Progressive wingnuts lined up like cattle for Tax Free Weekend. Such dishonest hypocrites. Their only worth, is a good laugh.

Of fucking course they did. And they enjoyed keeping their saved money too. but they will quickly ridicule those who speak favorably for such things because they have a truly religious belief in the power of government.

it's their god. Omnipotent government. Where we are all stupid evil creatures who must rely on those who claim to be out for the public good. they love their cage. You can open the door all you want, but they will cower in the corner and demand that you close the door. it's a scary world when you dont have your cage.

Oh yeah, i'm pretty sure Millions of em took full advantage of Tax Free Weekend. And then on Monday, they got right back to screeching their worship for Big Brother and raising Taxes. Socialists/Progressives are a very dishonest hypocritical bunch.

Aren't you the person who complains about big government while constantly posting articles about the issues you hate with local government? Dishonest much? Oh I get it, you're like TakeAStepBack, and want no government at all either.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

"make an argument"? You mean like the one you invented for me and then proceeded to attack. Should I do the same?

Government = Society.

"You didn't build that."

I did not mean what I said the way you think I mean what i said. I meant something else, besides what i said.
LMAO.

Taxation is theft by coercion.force/violence = get rid of all government.

See how this works now? You create an over generalized viewpoint for me and I can do the same for you. Except, what I created for you is actually true.

I'm fien to get rid of all the state. But, it isn't necessary to retract the entire thing based on taxation. It just leaves them no room to build their fucking empire at our expense. It leaves them extremely limited resources to carry out their original business. Which is the way it should be. But you hate this idea. To people like you, it is suggesting getting rid of your god. Your omnipotent and all knowing god and this causes you to rattle your cage and screach.

 

[8537]

After govt. came along? People built roads since the intiation of commerce. Some were established game trails. Some indian trails, etc....

True. All of the big ones were built at socialized cost.

Without governmetn we would all just sit around and wait for a way to transport goods, heh?

You're entitled to believe that if you'd like. Thank god for those extremely intelligent politicians whom without we would all still be walking barefoot and eating twigs and berries. LOL.

Did we have interstates before government built them?

Are you suggesting that nothing would have been done about transport routes if the government didnt do it?

I'm suggesting that nothing had been done about transport routes. We could have waited for a private firm to attempt to build 12,000 miles of efficient transportation toll roads, but i'm fairly certain the freerider problems involved would have prevented them.

I guess we dont, and never will know the answer, since the state took control of the idea and no chance was given to establish them in a free market capacity. it's like most things the government does. as soon as they usurp the authority to do it, we lose all sight of any other way. They love this fact too.

fifty years ago we sent the first satellites into space. Now here we are with fifty years of technology and development behind us - and the private sector is taking its first tentative steps towards the potential of making such a trip profitable (by signing a contract with....government)

Without the technology created by government demand, how soon after 1962 would you expect a profit-driven firm to launch a satellite into space?

In the case of both roads and satellites, how long should society wait for these developments and at what cost to our well being?

 

[LibertyForAll]

I am not against all forms of taxation. I am not even particularly against sales tax. The sole reason I brought it up was because it illustrates in a very direct way what happens when the restrictions are lifted. Money floods into the economy and it is a direct result of the absence of government interference. I was trying to show that if we did this on a larger scale with income tax there would be an economic boom in this country. First we need to cut the fat and stop the out of control spending.

I happen to like plowed roads too. I would be in favor of local sales tax that would allow for this service. It keeps the economy moving and is in the public interest. I am not in favor of $10,000 dollar hammers or even bombs that cost millions of dollars. I am not in favor of the goivernment subsidizing businesses that award bonuses to the presidents campaign donors only to later fail. What I want is to cut the wasteful spending and get down to what we actually NEED to have the government run efficiently and then lower taxes accordingly.

Give the people back their money and then they can afford to spend it on what they want. This will fix a lot of issues. There will be more jobs and therefore more people earning money and spending money which will create more jobs and so on and so forth.

 

[LibertyForAll]

True. All of the big ones were built at socialized cost.



Did we have interstates before government built them?

Are you suggesting that nothing would have been done about transport routes if the government didnt do it?

I'm suggesting that nothing had been done about transport routes. We could have waited for a private firm to attempt to build 12,000 miles of efficient transportation toll roads, but i'm fairly certain the freerider problems involved would have prevented them.

I guess we dont, and never will know the answer, since the state took control of the idea and no chance was given to establish them in a free market capacity. it's like most things the government does. as soon as they usurp the authority to do it, we lose all sight of any other way. They love this fact too.

fifty years ago we sent the first satellites into space. Now here we are with fifty years of technology and development behind us - and the private sector is taking its first tentative steps towards the potential of making such a trip profitable (by signing a contract with....government)

Without the technology created by government demand, how soon after 1962 would you expect a profit-driven firm to launch a satellite into space?

In the case of both roads and satellites, how long should society wait for these developments and at what cost to our well being?

This is the perfect example of how subsidizing industry is actually detrimental. Since the industry didn't evolve organically there was no infrastructure in place to support the industry when Obama pulled the plug on NASA. Now companies are struggling to adapt. Government had been their crutch and had probably contributed to the cost factors involved in launching private rockets. I am sure every company that does business with the government inflates their prices by 1000 times. The private sector can't compete with an entity that can print money at will.

 

[paulitician]

Quite a few Socialist/Progressive hypocrites enjoyed their Tax Free Weekend very much. Bet on that.

 

[Londoner]

The OP is correct, but not in the way he thinks.

Taxes on basic staples and consumer goods are regressive and absolutely dampen consumer spending because poor people cannot participate as much.

This doesn't effect the upper tax bracket, since someone making 300K or more is not going to skip going to a restaurant because of the tax on dinner.

Sales taxes are largely regressive, but that's one of the last places left to get money because the serf buying diapers at Walmart can't afford to fund an election and reduce taxes on his end of the pond.

Funny that way.

 

[LibertyForAll]

The OP is correct, but not in the way he thinks.

Taxes on basic staples and consumer goods are regressive and absolutely dampen consumer spending because poor people cannot participate as much.

This doesn't effect the upper tax bracket, since someone making 300K or more is not going to skip going to a restaurant because of the tax on dinner.

Sales taxes are largely regressive, but that's one of the last places left to get money because the serf buying diapers at Walmart can't afford to fund an election and reduce taxes on his end of the pond.

Funny that way.

There are more people making less than 300k than 300k plus. Millions buying diapers can have a more dramatic effect than thousands since individual needs remain relatively constant. The wealthy may have more disposable income but they will spend less overall. The are where the influence you refer to comes most into play is in the realm of income tax, but the most regressive tax of all is the hidden tax of inflation.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Tax Free Weekends, which are offered in my area to help people out with school supplies and clothes, are proof that taxation dampens the economy. As soon as the restrictions are lifted people go out in droves to spend their money. Now you may say that this is unsustained growth but I would say to you that people will spend money if they have it and they would have it if it wasn't being taken by the government and wasted. This would show increased demand and would recquire a boost in supply which means job growth. Taxations skews the normal supply/demand cycle and inhibits the free market. If you want to help poor people help them get jobs by putting money back where it will do the most good...in the hands of the people.

Speaking of tax free weekends.

When I need certain things I go to the reservation and pay no sales tax at all.

In fact the greed of this admin had become so strong I think I am going to make it a routine.

I have no issues with tax evasion schemes. With our spending problem its called tough love.

Look who isn't paying their fair share. You should be proud.

And neither are you democrats....Half Obama's cabinet cheated on their taxes, so it's ok if they pay less, just not joe blo....I see how you are.

 

[Dick Tuck]

My point was that taxation inhibits economic growth and therefore job creation. I am not against all forms of taxation but cutting spending would reduce the demands by government and would enable the reduction of taxes. Once taxes go down people will spend more and the economy will grow. It all starts with a reduction in the size of government though.

Fair argument. We can got to one extreme and build interstate dirt roads and the other where we have high speed highway to Altoona. We can then look at various states, that are the ones gaming this law.

The fucked up part of state taxation is the attempt to get someone from another state to contribute needed revenue.

 

[paulitician]

Socialist/Progressive wingnuts were likely amongst the first in line waiting for the doors to open on Tax Free Weekend. Who they kidding? They're dishonest hypocrites.

 

[Dick Tuck]

Taxation is theft by coercion.force/violence.

And please, spare me the "but then who would build the roads?" argument. Roads were here before government decided to project manage their "development".

They were funded by taxes, just like now. Remember Washington sending in troops to put down the Whiskey Rebellion?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Yep, here in KC the shopping is nuts on tax holidays. I got stuck in a Best Buy parking lot Saturday because of this. It was crazier than Xmas

 

[Dick Tuck]

My point was that taxation inhibits economic growth and therefore job creation. I am not against all forms of taxation but cutting spending would reduce the demands by government and would enable the reduction of taxes. Once taxes go down people will spend more and the economy will grow. It all starts with a reduction in the size of government though.

Those tax free weekends certainly are a big help to the bottom two quintiles, where saving 4-6% makes a difference. I doubt that those in the top two quintiles are going to be rushing out, since most of those tax holidays limit the amount that can be spent on any single item tax free.

 

[paulitician]

Yep, here in KC the shopping is nuts on tax holidays. I got stuck in a Best Buy parking lot Saturday because of this. It was crazier than Xmas

Yep, and you can be sure there were a whole lot of Socialist/Progressive wingnuts in that Mob. They really are so dishonest & hypocritical.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

My point was that taxation inhibits economic growth and therefore job creation. I am not against all forms of taxation but cutting spending would reduce the demands by government and would enable the reduction of taxes. Once taxes go down people will spend more and the economy will grow. It all starts with a reduction in the size of government though.

Those tax free weekends certainly are a big help to the bottom two quintiles, where saving 4-6% makes a difference. I doubt that those in the top two quintiles are going to be rushing out, since most of those tax holidays limit the amount that can be spent on any single item tax free.

Wrong.

Big ticket computers were flying out the door at Best Buy. The line was so long it wrapped around the store.

 

[paulitician]

My point was that taxation inhibits economic growth and therefore job creation. I am not against all forms of taxation but cutting spending would reduce the demands by government and would enable the reduction of taxes. Once taxes go down people will spend more and the economy will grow. It all starts with a reduction in the size of government though.

Those tax free weekends certainly are a big help to the bottom two quintiles, where saving 4-6% makes a difference. I doubt that those in the top two quintiles are going to be rushing out, since most of those tax holidays limit the amount that can be spent on any single item tax free.

Wrong.

Big ticket computers were flying out the door at Best Buy. The line was so long it wrapped around the store.

Another confused Socialist/Progressive. Don't bother. You wont get anywhere with Bots. Save the energy.