Tax Cuts Create Jobs? Prove It

[daveman]

Coming from a proven LIAR who thinks that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges" I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you.

You would, but only because your perception of reality is seriously flawed. "If we have more workers in the union, wages for everyone will go up, and businesses will come back to the US!"

Do you ever get tired of LYING? You use quotation marks like I said that but again you LIE. It's no wonder nobody takes you seriously.

Do you deny thinking...well, it's not really thinking, is it?...feeling that way? Because that's certainly the impression you've given.

Jesus may love you but the rest of us think you're an asshole.

"The rest of us"? Once again, you prove you're incapable of thinking for yourself. You need a kollektive to do your thinking for you.

Besides which, you're wrong. A select few butthurt leftists think I'm an asshole, and that just proves I'm right.

 

[NYcarbineer]

When will taxes be low enough (for any of you who don't think they're low enough now)?

Right now 50% of households pay no federal income tax. How much lower must taxes go?

Until 60% pay none? 70%? 80%?

Because, you have to realize, that's how it will go if the tax cutting death spiral continues.

Seriously, how much lower?

 

[Flopper]

The problem with lowering taxes, increasing government spending, or cutting interest rates to stimulate the economy is that there is no way to tell which one works best since we usually do all three.

Cutting taxes makes great sense provided we cut spending before cutting taxes, which of course never happens.

The way it should work is that as the economy improves, we gradually reductions in spending, increase taxes and raise interest rates to keep the economy from overheating. Then when the economy tanks we do just the opposite and provide a maximum amount of stimulus.

 

[DaGoose]

daveman....Do you deny thinking...well, it's not really thinking, is it?...feeling that way? Because that's certainly the impression you've given.

Nope. I do not think or feel that way. Never have. And the fact that you tried to claim I said those words just shows what a pathetic liar you are.

And just how much "thinking" did it take for you to falsely claim that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges"? A whole lot I bet.

daveman.....Besides which, you're wrong. A select few butthurt leftists think I'm an asshole, and that just proves I'm right.

Right about what? Certainly not about nearly any subject you're posted on in this website. And you've proven (more than once) that you'll resort to pathetic lies to bolster your claims and make your points.

So....what else have you lied to us about?

 

[DaGoose]

The problem with lowering taxes, increasing government spending, or cutting interest rates to stimulate the economy is that there is no way to tell which one works best since we usually do all three.

Cutting taxes makes great sense provided we cut spending before cutting taxes, which of course never happens.

The way it should work is that as the economy improves, we gradually reductions in spending, increase taxes and raise interest rates to keep the economy from overheating. Then when the economy tanks we do just the opposite and provide a maximum amount of stimulus.

 

[Bern80]

We don't owe the governmet shit. They already told us what we owe them when we pay taxes. That's what I owe them and that's all I owe them. That they spent more than they took from all of us is not my problem or my responsibility.

You cannot force me to pay for something I did not purchase. People are not property DG.

Uh. No. I don't OWE the government that amount. The Government has incurred debts in cannot pay, and is now going to use the threat of force in order to get us to bail them out.

I really get a kick out of people who piss and moan about the amount of money they owe the government.

They want the government to build armies and invade nations.
They want the government to protect the border.
They want the government to protect society and jail lawbreakers.
They want the government to build roads.
They want the government to do all kinds of other shit.

But when it comes time to pay the bills they want to start pointing fingers and say their "not responsible" and expect others to pay their bills for them.

I really get a kick out of people who ascribe positions to people they don't have in a weak attempt to win an argument.

I don't have a problem with the concept of taxes to pay for those things you mentioned. Me having an obligation as a citizen to pay my taxes to fund those things is very different than me having any responsibiity to pay for government's overspending. I have responsibility to the former. Not the latter.

 

[Bern80]

When will taxes be low enough (for any of you who don't think they're low enough now)?

Right now 50% of households pay no federal income tax. How much lower must taxes go?

Until 60% pay none? 70%? 80%?

Because, you have to realize, that's how it will go if the tax cutting death spiral continues.

Seriously, how much lower?

When will taxes be HIGH enough for you? The top 10% of income earners contribute 80-90 percent of income tax revenue. When will it be high enough for YOU? When the top 10% of income earners are the ONLY people paying income tax?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Only government Stimulus and government control of auto companies, mortgages, banks, energy production and health care save or create jobs, that's why America is doing so great under Obamanomics!

 

[daveman]

daveman....Do you deny thinking...well, it's not really thinking, is it?...feeling that way? Because that's certainly the impression you've given.

Nope. I do not think or feel that way. Never have. And the fact that you tried to claim I said those words just shows what a pathetic liar you are.

And just how much "thinking" did it take for you to falsely claim that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges"? A whole lot I bet.

daveman.....Besides which, you're wrong. A select few butthurt leftists think I'm an asshole, and that just proves I'm right.

Right about what? Certainly not about nearly any subject you're posted on in this website. And you've proven (more than once) that you'll resort to pathetic lies to bolster your claims and make your points.

So....what else have you lied to us about?

One more time, for the union members:

A lie ISN'T anything a leftist disagrees with.

 

[william the wie]

One more time, for the union members:

A lie ISN'T anything a leftist disagrees with.

Does the set of leftist beliefs belong to the category of lies or delusions? I've always wondered.

 

[Londoner]

More disposable income, more commerce. Do you spend more shopping when things are on sale or when paying list price? Every time money changes hands at multilevel government gets a piece of it from manufacturing, shipment, storage, resale, point of sale. The more money changes hands the more government gets in the end. You want to slow down exchange, raise the cost of it. Commerce equals jobs. No getting around that.

Tax cuts to the working poor are not significant enough to boost the economy. The poor make so little money and therefore pay so little taxes. No refund will be significant enough to truly create the demand that is now needed.

Tax cut to the wealthy are not much better. Bill Gates doesn't need a tax break to by an iPad. And he's not going to add jobs because there is no demand to capture. Since the 70s wages have been decreasing, i.e., the middle class no longer makes enough money to meet the consumption demands of our economy. We tried giving them unsecured credit (Master Cards and Visas), as well as ludicrous mortgages, but we broke the bank. You can't loan money into a class whose wages and benefits are disappearing.

Everyone knows the wealthy pay the lowest taxes. They make the lion's share of their earnings in stocks, which are taxed at 15%. This low rate was designed to spur investment in the real economy, but it has merely contributed to the speculative Wall Street casino.

Where did the Bush tax cuts go? Did they go to desperately need infrastructure? -to New Orleans levees or Minnesota bridges or Northeast energy grids? Nope. They went to derivatives and CDO's and CDS's and oil futures and any number of toxic hedge funds. Meanwhile, the middle class -- having been strangled by Reaganonimc's obsession with lower labor costs -- has lost the necessary buying power to drive the real economy.

Here is what the Reagan Revolution never understood. The middle class is too big to fail. The moment movement conservatism repealed the legislation designed to protect the solvency of the middle class, they created a structural flaw in demand. They promised that by giving the richest Americans bigger and bigger tax cuts, the middle class would realize a cornucopia of solid jobs & benefits. Nope. Ever since they made the promise, the jobs have been steadily flowing over seas, and benefits have shrunk. The old job model included health care, retirement, profit sharing, and cost-of-living increases; the new job model is a low wage, benefitless temp job. This formula made the rich wealthier beyond their wildest dreams, but it destroyed demand. Silly rabbit. The whole point of the Reagan Revolution was to give the owners of capital lower labor costs. The whole point was to drain every global supply chain of expensive, entitlement-fed middle class labor. Now you want to spur the economy by giving workers who make nothing a tax break?

The Reagan Revolution sold out the middle class for tax cuts to the wealthy. We have an economy which depends on middle class consumption, but no middle class to buy things. We tried to fix it with credit cards. (We broke the bank)

The game is over. The backbone of our great postwar America is gone. The only way to regain the old America -- the one where the middle class had enough money to send their children to school and drive the consumption economy -- is to go back to the postwar policies which ensured the solvency of the middle class, the policies which Reaganomics destroyed so that it could give tax breaks to the few. Our economy cannot afford the trillions of dollars that are getting locked into dynastic inheritances. Too much money is stuck on top. That money needs to find its way to the real economy. The distribution system is broken. And it can't be fixed by giving money to people who have more than they or their heirs can or will ever spend.

Silly rabbit. It's all about demand. If more of the total economic pie starts in the hands of the middle class, than the wealthy will have to add jobs and innovation to capture that money. This is how the great postwar economy worked. FDR made sure the middle class had more money to spend. And the innovators were forced to invest, innovate, and add jobs to get that money. Now . . . they already have the money. So why invest? There is nothing out there to capture -- nothing but a sea of growing poverty.

America swallowed poison in 1980.

 

[daveman]

One more time, for the union members:

A lie ISN'T anything a leftist disagrees with.

Does the set of leftist beliefs belong to the category of lies or delusions? I've always wondered.

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

-- Ronald Reagan

 

[DaGoose]

daveman....Do you deny thinking...well, it's not really thinking, is it?...feeling that way? Because that's certainly the impression you've given.

Nope. I do not think or feel that way. Never have. And the fact that you tried to claim I said those words just shows what a pathetic liar you are.

And just how much "thinking" did it take for you to falsely claim that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges"? A whole lot I bet.

daveman.....Besides which, you're wrong. A select few butthurt leftists think I'm an asshole, and that just proves I'm right.

Right about what? Certainly not about nearly any subject you're posted on in this website. And you've proven (more than once) that you'll resort to pathetic lies to bolster your claims and make your points.

So....what else have you lied to us about?

One more time, for the union members:

A lie ISN'T anything a leftist disagrees with.

And again.....YOU said that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges".

Was it a lie or not?

 

[DaGoose]

One more time, for the union members:

A lie ISN'T anything a leftist disagrees with.

Does the set of leftist beliefs belong to the category of lies or delusions? I've always wondered.

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

-- Ronald Reagan

And again.....YOU said that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges".

Was it a lie or not? You keep trying to run and hide but I'm not letting it go....

 

[daveman]

Nope. I do not think or feel that way. Never have. And the fact that you tried to claim I said those words just shows what a pathetic liar you are.

And just how much "thinking" did it take for you to falsely claim that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges"? A whole lot I bet.



Right about what? Certainly not about nearly any subject you're posted on in this website. And you've proven (more than once) that you'll resort to pathetic lies to bolster your claims and make your points.

So....what else have you lied to us about?

One more time, for the union members:

A lie ISN'T anything a leftist disagrees with.

And again.....YOU said that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges".

Was it a lie or not?

A lie? No. A mistake? Perhaps.

Now stamp your feet and pout some more.

 

[daveman]

Does the set of leftist beliefs belong to the category of lies or delusions? I've always wondered.

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

-- Ronald Reagan

And again.....YOU said that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges".

Was it a lie or not? You keep trying to run and hide but I'm not letting it go....

Do you need a nap and a binky?

 

[DaGoose]

One more time, for the union members:

A lie ISN'T anything a leftist disagrees with.

And again.....YOU said that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges".

Was it a lie or not?

A lie? No. A mistake? Perhaps.

Now stamp your feet and pout some more.

You mean after numerous posts asking you to either clarify, retract or admit it was a lie (and you kept ignoring me) this is the best you can do?

That's OK.....I'll take it and just understand that it's hard for a Reagan lover to admit he was wrong even in the face of overwheliming evidence proving otherwise.

 

[DaGoose]

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

-- Ronald Reagan

And again.....YOU said that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges".

Was it a lie or not? You keep trying to run and hide but I'm not letting it go....

Do you need a nap and a binky?

Nope. Wouldn't want to deprive you of your "binky".

 

[daveman]

And again.....YOU said that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges".

Was it a lie or not?

A lie? No. A mistake? Perhaps.

Now stamp your feet and pout some more.

You mean after numerous posts asking you to either clarify, retract or admit it was a lie (and you kept ignoring me) this is the best you can do?

That's OK.....I'll take it and just understand that it's hard for a Reagan lover to admit he was wrong even in the face of overwheliming evidence proving otherwise.

"Overwhelming evidence" = "union press releases".

 

[daveman]

And again.....YOU said that "labor costs for domestic cars are almost three times the cost of the foreign badges".

Was it a lie or not? You keep trying to run and hide but I'm not letting it go....

Do you need a nap and a binky?

Nope. Wouldn't want to deprive you of your "binky".

Don't need one. I'm not a petulant, whiny child.