Tariffs DO raise prices: That is the point!

[Harpy Eagle]

The Auto Industry Is A Huge Job Creator

Automotive Industry: Employment, Earnings, and Hours

no jump in numbers, just the opposite in fact

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geeez dude, look at the entire chart, you circled one month. talk about lying about data.

I circled the manufacturing part, can you not even read a chart?

you circled one month's data. geez stop the lying.

Welcome to the “GG Cherry Picking Data Club”.

At least I provide data.

Do you have a story for us about a family member working in auto manufacturing?

 

[Indeependent]

Automotive Industry: Employment, Earnings, and Hours

no jump in numbers, just the opposite in fact

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geeez dude, look at the entire chart, you circled one month. talk about lying about data.

I circled the manufacturing part, can you not even read a chart?

you circled one month's data. geez stop the lying.

Welcome to the “GG Cherry Picking Data Club”.

At least I provide data.

Do you have a story for us about a family member working in auto manufacturing?

Thanks for admitting you Cherry Pick data.
What you do for a living becomes a bad habit.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

geeez dude, look at the entire chart, you circled one month. talk about lying about data.

I circled the manufacturing part, can you not even read a chart?

you circled one month's data. geez stop the lying.

Welcome to the “GG Cherry Picking Data Club”.

At least I provide data.

Do you have a story for us about a family member working in auto manufacturing?

Thanks for admitting you Cherry Pick data.
What you do for a living becomes a bad habit.

Thanks for admitting you never provide data.

So, no story for us about a made up family member working in auto manufacturing?

This is a first.

 

[Indeependent]

I circled the manufacturing part, can you not even read a chart?

you circled one month's data. geez stop the lying.

Welcome to the “GG Cherry Picking Data Club”.

At least I provide data.

Do you have a story for us about a family member working in auto manufacturing?

Thanks for admitting you Cherry Pick data.
What you do for a living becomes a bad habit.

Thanks for admitting you never provide data.

So, no story for us about a made up family member working in auto manufacturing?

This is a first.

No honest person can provide what’s actually going on from massaged government or corporate data available to the public.

Tell me again how the market was doing one second before the DOT COM and Housing Bubble crashes based on your bullshit “data”.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

you circled one month's data. geez stop the lying.

Welcome to the “GG Cherry Picking Data Club”.

At least I provide data.

Do you have a story for us about a family member working in auto manufacturing?

Thanks for admitting you Cherry Pick data.
What you do for a living becomes a bad habit.

Thanks for admitting you never provide data.

So, no story for us about a made up family member working in auto manufacturing?

This is a first.

No honest person can provide what’s actually going on from massaged government or corporate data available to the public.

Tell me again how the market was doing one second before the DOT COM and Housing Bubble crashes based on your bullshit “data”.

only a moron would look at one seconds worth of data.

Ask you made up son-in-law if he looks at one seconds worth of data.

 

[Indeependent]

Welcome to the “GG Cherry Picking Data Club”.

At least I provide data.

Do you have a story for us about a family member working in auto manufacturing?

Thanks for admitting you Cherry Pick data.
What you do for a living becomes a bad habit.

Thanks for admitting you never provide data.

So, no story for us about a made up family member working in auto manufacturing?

This is a first.

No honest person can provide what’s actually going on from massaged government or corporate data available to the public.

Tell me again how the market was doing one second before the DOT COM and Housing Bubble crashes based on your bullshit “data”.

only a moron would look at one seconds worth of data.

Ask you made up son-in-law if he looks at one seconds worth of data.

You’re not a moron; you’re a well trained liar.
You round up data, ala Rush, to create the illusion that you know something no one no one else knows.
But you’re simply a bullshit artist.

My son looks at 3 months worth of contemporary data for spike directions and compares it to 30 seconds of data to know when to sell.
He already has it coded.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You’re not a moron; you’re a well trained liar.
You round up data, ala Rush, to create the illusion that you know something no one no one else knows.
But you’re simply a bullshit artist.

My son looks at 3 months worth of contemporary data for spike directions and compares it to 30 seconds of data to know when to sell.
He already has it coded.

You have an interesting idea of what an analyst does, but hey as long as my clients are happy with their results I do not not really care what a person on the internet that makes up stories about their family members thinks about me and my job.

 

[Redfish]

Automotive Industry: Employment, Earnings, and Hours

no jump in numbers, just the opposite in fact

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geeez dude, look at the entire chart, you circled one month. talk about lying about data.

I circled the manufacturing part, can you not even read a chart?

you circled one month's data. geez stop the lying.

Welcome to the “GG Cherry Picking Data Club”.

At least I provide data.

Do you have a story for us about a family member working in auto manufacturing?

nope, but having lived in Detroit for many years I know something about it.

yep, you provided data, misinterpreted it, and then lied about what it said, Great job! pick up your merit badge at the next obama worship service.

 

[Dragonlady]

If you want Americans to reduce their purchases of Chinese products, tariffs are the best way to do it. There will be a slight increase in the retail prices of these products (tariffs are applied at the wholesale level), but consumers can mitigate this effect by switching to other products.

So why all the hoopla about "punishing" American consumers? Does anybody believe that we will be better off by preserving the status quo?

You're missing the point, jwoodie. As far as Trump is concerned, the idea isn't to reduce the purchase of Chinese products, it's to get the Chinese to purchase MORE American products. The jobs that went to China are NEVER coming back and it's time to stop pretending that they are. All Trump talks about is "getting a better deal" for American businesses. To stop the theft of US patents, to reduce the trade deficit. It's more exports, not fewer imports. More jobs for Americans!

Also, Trump has been claiming that China is paying the tariffs, not Americans. If he goes forward with his new tariffs on consumer goods, that lie will be brutally exposed to the American people, going into election season. Trump told the American people that "Trade wars are easy to win", and here we are two years later, and there's no winning for anyone, especially the American people.

Yes, the whole goal of tariffs is to stop Americans from buying Chinese goods, but the people don't have other options because there is a dearth of American manufacturing for clothing, and the household crap Walmart sells, because all of that manufacturing has been offshored. But what are Trump's specific goals here. Has he ever articulated exactly what his goals are other than to make a better deal?

The USA has 7 million job openings and only 4 million people looking for work. Why isn't Trump retraining the unemployed for these jobs? Why the emphasis on creating more jobs you can't fill?

 

[Rustic]

If you want Americans to reduce their purchases of Chinese products, tariffs are the best way to do it. There will be a slight increase in the retail prices of these products (tariffs are applied at the wholesale level), but consumers can mitigate this effect by switching to other products.

So why all the hoopla about "punishing" American consumers? Does anybody believe that we will be better off by preserving the status quo?

You're missing the point, jwoodie. As far as Trump is concerned, the idea isn't to reduce the purchase of Chinese products, it's to get the Chinese to purchase MORE American products. The jobs that went to China are NEVER coming back and it's time to stop pretending that they are. All Trump talks about is "getting a better deal" for American businesses. To stop the theft of US patents, to reduce the trade deficit. It's more exports, not fewer imports. More jobs for Americans!

Also, Trump has been claiming that China is paying the tariffs, not Americans. If he goes forward with his new tariffs on consumer goods, that lie will be brutally exposed to the American people, going into election season. Trump told the American people that "Trade wars are easy to win", and here we are two years later, and there's no winning for anyone, especially the American people.

Yes, the whole goal of tariffs is to stop Americans from buying Chinese goods, but the people don't have other options because there is a dearth of American manufacturing for clothing, and the household crap Walmart sells, because all of that manufacturing has been offshored. But what are Trump's specific goals here. Has he ever articulated exactly what his goals are other than to make a better deal?

The USA has 7 million job openings and only 4 million people looking for work. Why isn't Trump retraining the unemployed for these jobs? Why the emphasis on creating more jobs you can't fill?

Because millions of Americans have no desire to work for a living… It’s called socialism

 

[Harpy Eagle]

geeez dude, look at the entire chart, you circled one month. talk about lying about data.

I circled the manufacturing part, can you not even read a chart?

you circled one month's data. geez stop the lying.

Welcome to the “GG Cherry Picking Data Club”.

At least I provide data.

Do you have a story for us about a family member working in auto manufacturing?

nope, but having lived in Detroit for many years I know something about it.

yep, you provided data, misinterpreted it, and then lied about what it said, Great job! pick up your merit badge at the next obama worship service.

fuck Obama, he was the 2nd worst POUTS ever.

You are just like INDEEPENDENT, you think that your anecdotal stories some how carry more weight than actual, cold hard data.

you two are two joke peas in a pod

 

[Indeependent]

You’re not a moron; you’re a well trained liar.
You round up data, ala Rush, to create the illusion that you know something no one no one else knows.
But you’re simply a bullshit artist.

My son looks at 3 months worth of contemporary data for spike directions and compares it to 30 seconds of data to know when to sell.
He already has it coded.

You have an interesting idea of what an analyst does, but hey as long as my clients are happy with their results I do not not really care what a person on the internet that makes up stories about their family members thinks about me and my job.

I worked on Wall Street for 16 years and I know exactly what analysts do and it ain’t anywhere near 50% predicting the future based on contemporary data.

 

[Indeependent]

I circled the manufacturing part, can you not even read a chart?

you circled one month's data. geez stop the lying.

Welcome to the “GG Cherry Picking Data Club”.

At least I provide data.

Do you have a story for us about a family member working in auto manufacturing?

nope, but having lived in Detroit for many years I know something about it.

yep, you provided data, misinterpreted it, and then lied about what it said, Great job! pick up your merit badge at the next obama worship service.

fuck Obama, he was the 2nd worst POUTS ever.

You are just like INDEEPENDENT, you think that your anecdotal stories some how carry more weight than actual, cold hard data.

you two are two joke peas in a pod

Tell us how you predicted our last 2 crashes.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

you circled one month's data. geez stop the lying.

Welcome to the “GG Cherry Picking Data Club”.

At least I provide data.

Do you have a story for us about a family member working in auto manufacturing?

nope, but having lived in Detroit for many years I know something about it.

yep, you provided data, misinterpreted it, and then lied about what it said, Great job! pick up your merit badge at the next obama worship service.

fuck Obama, he was the 2nd worst POUTS ever.

You are just like INDEEPENDENT, you think that your anecdotal stories some how carry more weight than actual, cold hard data.

you two are two joke peas in a pod

Tell us how you predicted our last 2 crashes.

I was not an analyst then, I was a Marine. I am only about 6 years into my current career.

 

[Wry Catcher]

If you want Americans to reduce their purchases of Chinese products, tariffs are the best way to do it. There will be a slight increase in the retail prices of these products (tariffs are applied at the wholesale level), but consumers can mitigate this effect by switching to other products.

So why all the hoopla about "punishing" American consumers? Does anybody believe that we will be better off by preserving the status quo?

Free trade is rational, protective tariffs are irrational. Ask anyone but a trumpanzee and they agree free trade creates partners, protective tariffs create enemies.

under a system of free trade, all the jobs and all the product production ends up in the countries with the lowest wages and the lowest standards of living. Tariffs protect american workers. Yes, sometimes it means paying more for an american built product than a chinese copy. But you are free to shit on american union workers and continue to buy chinese crap if it makes you feel good.

I don't shit on union workers, it's the Republican Party which shits on unions. Trump's ties and his daughters line of clothing and accessories are not created in the US. Red States use Right to Work as a euphemism for corporations to hire workers without the benefits of a labor union negotiating wages and benefits.

Try to buy shoes or washing machines and other major appliances made in America or shoes and t-shirts, try to buy a car with all parts made in America. And, which party rescued Chrysler and GM, and which party would not have put a penny into keeping UAW's jobs?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You’re not a moron; you’re a well trained liar.
You round up data, ala Rush, to create the illusion that you know something no one no one else knows.
But you’re simply a bullshit artist.

My son looks at 3 months worth of contemporary data for spike directions and compares it to 30 seconds of data to know when to sell.
He already has it coded.

You have an interesting idea of what an analyst does, but hey as long as my clients are happy with their results I do not not really care what a person on the internet that makes up stories about their family members thinks about me and my job.

I worked on Wall Street for 16 years and I know exactly what analysts do and it ain’t anywhere near 50% predicting the future based on contemporary data.

That is true, I am far, far above 50%.

What you do not get is that what you think about me and my profession do not matter. What matters is what my boss thinks of me and what my clients think of me.

As for my profession, it is the "best job in America" according to glassceiling.com.

 

[Indeependent]

You’re not a moron; you’re a well trained liar.
You round up data, ala Rush, to create the illusion that you know something no one no one else knows.
But you’re simply a bullshit artist.

My son looks at 3 months worth of contemporary data for spike directions and compares it to 30 seconds of data to know when to sell.
He already has it coded.

You have an interesting idea of what an analyst does, but hey as long as my clients are happy with their results I do not not really care what a person on the internet that makes up stories about their family members thinks about me and my job.

I worked on Wall Street for 16 years and I know exactly what analysts do and it ain’t anywhere near 50% predicting the future based on contemporary data.

That is true, I am far, far above 50%.

What you do not get is that what you think about me and my profession do not matter. What matters is what my boss thinks of me and what my clients think of me.

As for my profession, it is the "best job in America" according to glassceiling.com.

And when posting you need to learn to separate reality from your profession.

 

[Rustic]

If you want Americans to reduce their purchases of Chinese products, tariffs are the best way to do it. There will be a slight increase in the retail prices of these products (tariffs are applied at the wholesale level), but consumers can mitigate this effect by switching to other products.

So why all the hoopla about "punishing" American consumers? Does anybody believe that we will be better off by preserving the status quo?

Free trade is rational, protective tariffs are irrational. Ask anyone but a trumpanzee and they agree free trade creates partners, protective tariffs create enemies.

under a system of free trade, all the jobs and all the product production ends up in the countries with the lowest wages and the lowest standards of living. Tariffs protect american workers. Yes, sometimes it means paying more for an american built product than a chinese copy. But you are free to shit on american union workers and continue to buy chinese crap if it makes you feel good.

I don't shit on union workers, it's the Republican Party which shits on unions. Trump's ties and his daughters line of clothing and accessories are not created in the US. Red States use Right to Work as a euphemism for corporations to hire workers without the benefits of a labor union negotiating wages and benefits.

Try to buy shoes or washing machines and other major appliances made in America or shoes and t-shirts, try to buy a car with all parts made in America. And, which party rescued Chrysler and GM, and which party would not have put a penny into keeping UAW's jobs?

lol
The problem with unions is the mandatory part of them… No one would have a problem with them if they were voluntary

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You’re not a moron; you’re a well trained liar.
You round up data, ala Rush, to create the illusion that you know something no one no one else knows.
But you’re simply a bullshit artist.

My son looks at 3 months worth of contemporary data for spike directions and compares it to 30 seconds of data to know when to sell.
He already has it coded.

You have an interesting idea of what an analyst does, but hey as long as my clients are happy with their results I do not not really care what a person on the internet that makes up stories about their family members thinks about me and my job.

I worked on Wall Street for 16 years and I know exactly what analysts do and it ain’t anywhere near 50% predicting the future based on contemporary data.

That is true, I am far, far above 50%.

What you do not get is that what you think about me and my profession do not matter. What matters is what my boss thinks of me and what my clients think of me.

As for my profession, it is the "best job in America" according to glassceiling.com.

And when posting you need to learn to separate reality from your profession.

This from a guy with nothing but stories about made up family members.

My profession deals in nothing but reality, in cold hard facts and mountains of data. No emotions, no made up stories, no "well my sister's cousins mom said..."

Just facts and data.

 

[NightFox]

If you want Americans to reduce their purchases of Chinese products, tariffs are the best way to do it. There will be a slight increase in the retail prices of these products (tariffs are applied at the wholesale level), but consumers can mitigate this effect by switching to other products.

So why all the hoopla about "punishing" American consumers? Does anybody believe that we will be better off by preserving the status quo?

My daughter who has a $150mm business based on imports doesn't think so.
She buys just as much as ever.
There is no us equivalent
It's just 20 % more to her customers.
The cons Chinese will pay for it is the same as the Mexicans will pay for the wall.
We are paying

Comparative Advantage...
She is providing a product without undercutting competition.

FYI:
That's not what "Comparative Advantage" means.

Comparative Advantage is the ability of an economy to produce some good or service at a lower opportunity cost than it's trading partners or potential trading partners and thus sell at a lower price (i.e. the ability to undercut the competition because your production costs are lower).