Tale of 2 shootings...different outcomes. Why?

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So 2 shootings, very similar cases, both in California. In each case, a police officer shot an unarmed suspect.

In each case, the officer claimed that they intended to deploy a Taser device and instead the suspects were shot, from a pistol. Both died.




Case 1:

27 Oct 2002, Madera, California

24 year old Everardo Torres is arrested during a party that gets out of hand. He is handcuffed and placed in a police car, where he allegedly begins kicking the windows. Officer Marcie Noriega opens the rear door of the patrol car, draws her .40 caliber Glock service pistol, and shoots Torres one time in the chest. Torres dies from the wound.

Case 2:

1 January 2009, Oakland, California

23 year old Oscar Grant is being arrested for fighting on a subway train. Grant is not handcuffed, and is allegedly resisting being handcuffed. Officer Johannes Mehserle steps away from Grant and shoots him in the back with his .40 caliber Sig service pistol. Grant dies the next day in the hospital.

Both officers maintain that they accidentally shot the victims with their handguns after mistakenly drawing them instead of a Taser device.

The similarities end there. In case 1, the officer is not charged following a review by the prosecutor. In case 2, the officer is charged with murder, and following a trial is convicted of involuntary manslaughter.



just curious, why such a huge disparity in outcomes as to the officers involved...?Feel free to goggle the particulars.
 
one was a real police officer with the union behinde them and the other was a private rent a cop tossed to the wolves....rent a cop = guilty.....union cop=not guilty.....
 
Insane - can you not feel the difference in the two weapons as a professional? You should be intimately familiar with them both.
 
The big difference is simple, the DA in the first case did not bring charges. Not being a telepath I cannot tell you the reasons for that decision.
 
So 2 shootings, very similar cases, both in California. In each case, a police officer shot an unarmed suspect.

In each case, the officer claimed that they intended to deploy a Taser device and instead the suspects were shot, from a pistol. Both died.




Case 1:

27 Oct 2002, Madera, California

24 year old Everardo Torres is arrested during a party that gets out of hand. He is handcuffed and placed in a police car, where he allegedly begins kicking the windows. Officer Marcie Noriega opens the rear door of the patrol car, draws her .40 caliber Glock service pistol, and shoots Torres one time in the chest. Torres dies from the wound.

Case 2:

1 January 2009, Oakland, California

23 year old Oscar Grant is being arrested for fighting on a subway train. Grant is not handcuffed, and is allegedly resisting being handcuffed. Officer Johannes Mehserle steps away from Grant and shoots him in the back with his .40 caliber Sig service pistol. Grant dies the next day in the hospital.

Both officers maintain that they accidentally shot the victims with their handguns after mistakenly drawing them instead of a Taser device.

The similarities end there. In case 1, the officer is not charged following a review by the prosecutor. In case 2, the officer is charged with murder, and following a trial is convicted of involuntary manslaughter.



just curious, why such a huge disparity in outcomes as to the officers involved...?Feel free to goggle the particulars.

A tale of two shootings - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Just curious, did you go and lift a whole post word for word except for one word "Matt"?

and man oh man, Matt quotes one of my favorites: "An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and no property can bear taxation." - John Marshall

boy does he not get what Marshall was all about. :lol:


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now back on topic:

"Though this was a terribly tragic event, after reviewing all of the evidence, it is clear officer Noriega's shooting of Everardo Torres was an accident," Wyatt said. "In such a situation, California penal law is equally as clear. Mere general negligence is insufficient to sustain a criminal charge."
injusticebusters 2003 > > Tasers and surgical strikes

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Gremlin-USA "Real question is how the crap can you mistake a Glock for a Taser?"

easy. same way people throw away keys or grab a hot pan on a stove while busy doing something else. If you understood anything about how the human brain works, you'd know this.
 
So 2 shootings, very similar cases, both in California. In each case, a police officer shot an unarmed suspect.

In each case, the officer claimed that they intended to deploy a Taser device and instead the suspects were shot, from a pistol. Both died.




Case 1:

27 Oct 2002, Madera, California

24 year old Everardo Torres is arrested during a party that gets out of hand. He is handcuffed and placed in a police car, where he allegedly begins kicking the windows. Officer Marcie Noriega opens the rear door of the patrol car, draws her .40 caliber Glock service pistol, and shoots Torres one time in the chest. Torres dies from the wound.

Case 2:

1 January 2009, Oakland, California

23 year old Oscar Grant is being arrested for fighting on a subway train. Grant is not handcuffed, and is allegedly resisting being handcuffed. Officer Johannes Mehserle steps away from Grant and shoots him in the back with his .40 caliber Sig service pistol. Grant dies the next day in the hospital.

Both officers maintain that they accidentally shot the victims with their handguns after mistakenly drawing them instead of a Taser device.

The similarities end there. In case 1, the officer is not charged following a review by the prosecutor. In case 2, the officer is charged with murder, and following a trial is convicted of involuntary manslaughter.



just curious, why such a huge disparity in outcomes as to the officers involved...?Feel free to goggle the particulars.
A tale of two shootings - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

On July 8, 2010, the jury returned its verdict: Mehserle was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and not guilty of second degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Prosecutorial discretion. Are you arguing for a "Johhny got away with it, why can't I?" defense?
 
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now back on topic:

"Though this was a terribly tragic event, after reviewing all of the evidence, it is clear officer Noriega's shooting of Everardo Torres was an accident," Wyatt said. "In such a situation, California penal law is equally as clear. Mere general negligence is insufficient to sustain a criminal charge."
injusticebusters 2003 > > Tasers and surgical strikes

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Gremlin-USA "Real question is how the crap can you mistake a Glock for a Taser?"

easy. same way people throw away keys or grab a hot pan on a stove while busy doing something else. If you understood anything about how the human brain works, you'd know this.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Thanks, I needed a laugh.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
Real question is how the crap can you mistake a Glock for a Taser?


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Making such a mistake is gross negligence. A homicide committed in that fashion is not murder, but it is involuntary manslaughter.

Really? Ever been in a similar situation? If not you have zero idea what you are talking about. Both officers should be fired but neither should be charged.
 
So 2 shootings, very similar cases, both in California. In each case, a police officer shot an unarmed suspect.

In each case, the officer claimed that they intended to deploy a Taser device and instead the suspects were shot, from a pistol. Both died.




Case 1:

27 Oct 2002, Madera, California

24 year old Everardo Torres is arrested during a party that gets out of hand. He is handcuffed and placed in a police car, where he allegedly begins kicking the windows. Officer Marcie Noriega opens the rear door of the patrol car, draws her .40 caliber Glock service pistol, and shoots Torres one time in the chest. Torres dies from the wound.

Case 2:

1 January 2009, Oakland, California

23 year old Oscar Grant is being arrested for fighting on a subway train. Grant is not handcuffed, and is allegedly resisting being handcuffed. Officer Johannes Mehserle steps away from Grant and shoots him in the back with his .40 caliber Sig service pistol. Grant dies the next day in the hospital.

Both officers maintain that they accidentally shot the victims with their handguns after mistakenly drawing them instead of a Taser device.

The similarities end there. In case 1, the officer is not charged following a review by the prosecutor. In case 2, the officer is charged with murder, and following a trial is convicted of involuntary manslaughter.



just curious, why such a huge disparity in outcomes as to the officers involved...?Feel free to goggle the particulars.

A tale of two shootings - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Just curious, did you go and lift a whole post word for word except for one word "Matt"?

and man oh man, Matt quotes one of my favorites: "An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and no property can bear taxation." - John Marshall

boy does he not get what Marshall was all about. :lol:


----

now back on topic:

"Though this was a terribly tragic event, after reviewing all of the evidence, it is clear officer Noriega's shooting of Everardo Torres was an accident," Wyatt said. "In such a situation, California penal law is equally as clear. Mere general negligence is insufficient to sustain a criminal charge."
injusticebusters 2003 > > Tasers and surgical strikes

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Gremlin-USA "Real question is how the crap can you mistake a Glock for a Taser?"

easy. same way people throw away keys or grab a hot pan on a stove while busy doing something else. If you understood anything about how the human brain works, you'd know this.

hes a friend of mine at you know where, go ask him,in fact I insist.....:lol:then you can work on getting the taste of shoe leather out of your mouth......


you can neg me till the men in white jackets show up to take you back to whatever asylum it is you came from, won't matter...bye bye.
 
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So 2 shootings, very similar cases, both in California. In each case, a police officer shot an unarmed suspect.

In each case, the officer claimed that they intended to deploy a Taser device and instead the suspects were shot, from a pistol. Both died.




Case 1:

27 Oct 2002, Madera, California

24 year old Everardo Torres is arrested during a party that gets out of hand. He is handcuffed and placed in a police car, where he allegedly begins kicking the windows. Officer Marcie Noriega opens the rear door of the patrol car, draws her .40 caliber Glock service pistol, and shoots Torres one time in the chest. Torres dies from the wound.

Case 2:

1 January 2009, Oakland, California

23 year old Oscar Grant is being arrested for fighting on a subway train. Grant is not handcuffed, and is allegedly resisting being handcuffed. Officer Johannes Mehserle steps away from Grant and shoots him in the back with his .40 caliber Sig service pistol. Grant dies the next day in the hospital.

Both officers maintain that they accidentally shot the victims with their handguns after mistakenly drawing them instead of a Taser device.

The similarities end there. In case 1, the officer is not charged following a review by the prosecutor. In case 2, the officer is charged with murder, and following a trial is convicted of involuntary manslaughter.



just curious, why such a huge disparity in outcomes as to the officers involved...?Feel free to goggle the particulars.

A tale of two shootings - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Just curious, did you go and lift a whole post word for word except for one word "Matt"?

and man oh man, Matt quotes one of my favorites: "An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and no property can bear taxation." - John Marshall

boy does he not get what Marshall was all about. :lol:


----

now back on topic:

"Though this was a terribly tragic event, after reviewing all of the evidence, it is clear officer Noriega's shooting of Everardo Torres was an accident," Wyatt said. "In such a situation, California penal law is equally as clear. Mere general negligence is insufficient to sustain a criminal charge."
injusticebusters 2003 > > Tasers and surgical strikes

---

Gremlin-USA "Real question is how the crap can you mistake a Glock for a Taser?"

easy. same way people throw away keys or grab a hot pan on a stove while busy doing something else. If you understood anything about how the human brain works, you'd know this.

hes a friend of mine at you know where, go ask him,in fact I insist.....:lol:then you can work on getting the taste of shoe leather out of your mouth......


you can neg me till the men in white jackets show up to take you back to whatever asylum it is you came from, won't matter...bye bye.

I have no idea why you mention shoe leather? Did you read something into my post that isn't there? :doubt:

complaining about neg reps is sooooo girlyman/boy of you.

and my replies to the posts are ignored so you can attack me? Oh well, back to the asylum.

:eusa_whistle:
 

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