Take the guns first, due process second.

[justinacolmena]

He was a felon, a pretty bad felon to, yet he managed to acquire an arsenal adequate enough to hold off the police and send six to the hospital. So I can agree, they need to be able to get that guys guns.

That’s because they actually save a cop’s life at the hospital. You don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell at the hospital if you aren’t a full-fledged member of the 9/11 police-fire-medical triad in good standing.

It’s all psych ward only for the rest of us, or hospice for end-of-life care. The Dems rationed away all our medical care to the limousine liberals.

Hell we all agree on that I'm thinking, but trumps red flag laws would have done nothing to prevent that.

I am red-flagged, for life without recourse, as a dangerous, violent, mentally unstable person, and I’m looking for a job. There’s hell to pay, and I’m not the turnip to squeeze that blood out of. The government — both elected officials and appointed workers — will have to answer with their own lives and their own fortunes for those false and malicious “red flags” and other stumblingblocks they continually lay before us on the way of life.

 

[playtime]

i didn't ever read anything to the contrary so taking the word of a family makes sence & why would they do that knowing what assholes would denigrate him or them? to try to change minds because of their own views? doubtful. why are you more inclined to question their motives than to think the odds are they are telling the truth?

That is cool for you. Why must I take their word for it? I don't know them or their motives for making their statement. It seems there is a motive otherwise they would have stayed quiet about it.

never said you had to accept it. is that cool for you?

'It seems there is a motive otherwise they would have stayed quiet about it.'

but of COURSE.... it's all a nefarious plot to gun grab.... ya that must be the ticket.

maybe they spoke out because they thought he would have but couldn't.

Well they did use the word feel, which is what they could believe he thought, however since he never commented publicly we really don't know, do we?

it depends. i know how my father would FEEL about trump in office & what he's doing to our relationships with NATO allies & cuddling up to dictators; since he served in the phillipines after being drafted into the army air corp in WW2.

I'm happy for you.

lol... as if that mattered to me?

 

[Papageorgio]

That is cool for you. Why must I take their word for it? I don't know them or their motives for making their statement. It seems there is a motive otherwise they would have stayed quiet about it.

never said you had to accept it. is that cool for you?

'It seems there is a motive otherwise they would have stayed quiet about it.'

but of COURSE.... it's all a nefarious plot to gun grab.... ya that must be the ticket.

maybe they spoke out because they thought he would have but couldn't.

Well they did use the word feel, which is what they could believe he thought, however since he never commented publicly we really don't know, do we?

it depends. i know how my father would FEEL about trump in office & what he's doing to our relationships with NATO allies & cuddling up to dictators; since he served in the phillipines after being drafted into the army air corp in WW2.

I'm happy for you.

lol... as if that mattered to me?

Well, you posted the story, not me.

 

[playtime]

never said you had to accept it. is that cool for you?

'It seems there is a motive otherwise they would have stayed quiet about it.'

but of COURSE.... it's all a nefarious plot to gun grab.... ya that must be the ticket.

maybe they spoke out because they thought he would have but couldn't.

Well they did use the word feel, which is what they could believe he thought, however since he never commented publicly we really don't know, do we?

it depends. i know how my father would FEEL about trump in office & what he's doing to our relationships with NATO allies & cuddling up to dictators; since he served in the phillipines after being drafted into the army air corp in WW2.

I'm happy for you.

lol... as if that mattered to me?

Well, you posted the story, not me.

you posed a question & i gave you my answer. the rest just didn't matter.

 

[Papageorgio]

Well they did use the word feel, which is what they could believe he thought, however since he never commented publicly we really don't know, do we?

it depends. i know how my father would FEEL about trump in office & what he's doing to our relationships with NATO allies & cuddling up to dictators; since he served in the phillipines after being drafted into the army air corp in WW2.

I'm happy for you.

lol... as if that mattered to me?

Well, you posted the story, not me.

you posed a question & i gave you my answer. the rest just didn't matter.

Yep, I did. Very observant of you Captain Obvious! LOL!!

 

[playtime]

it depends. i know how my father would FEEL about trump in office & what he's doing to our relationships with NATO allies & cuddling up to dictators; since he served in the phillipines after being drafted into the army air corp in WW2.

I'm happy for you.

lol... as if that mattered to me?

Well, you posted the story, not me.

you posed a question & i gave you my answer. the rest just didn't matter.

Yep, I did. Very observant of you Captain Obvious! LOL!!

then there's no problem. how cool for you.

 

[Papageorgio]

I'm happy for you.

lol... as if that mattered to me?

Well, you posted the story, not me.

you posed a question & i gave you my answer. the rest just didn't matter.

Yep, I did. Very observant of you Captain Obvious! LOL!!

then there's no problem. how cool for you.

Never said there was.

 

[playtime]

lol... as if that mattered to me?

Well, you posted the story, not me.

you posed a question & i gave you my answer. the rest just didn't matter.

Yep, I did. Very observant of you Captain Obvious! LOL!!

then there's no problem. how cool for you.

Never said there was.

 

[buttercup]

So this is what Trump said. Mike Pence says take ANYTHING that is dangerous. I gotta ask how this squares with Trumps claim to love the 2nd amendment and his promise to protect it, yet here he is trying to remove it, as well as the 4th amendment.



So I ask you die hard trumpkins, y'all good with this?

That's just one of the many reasons why I don't trust Trump.

 

[Darkwind]

Which it won't do because if one wants to kill allot of people, or even just try they have many options to do just that. They can do like the Boston bombers did and use fireworks and pressure cookers, they can take over an aircraft, they can grab the keys and go for a drive, they can grab a knife from the kitchen, and axe from the shed or a spork from Taco Bell.

Duh. So what is your solution?

Consider this:

Common sense gun regulations may not prevent a monster from getting a gun, but no regulations assure a monster will get a gun and kill innocent people.

As for driving a car, using pressure cookers, taking over an aircraft or any other means to take a human life, guns seem to be the tool of choice.

Let Me correct this for you.

Common sense gun regulations WILL NOT prevent a monster from getting a gun. FULL STOP

Gun regulations serve to harm ONLY the innocent.

Oh bullshit. The only innocents are those shot, killed or maimed and the families and friends of those victims attacked by the monsters. MONSTERS YOU enable and that makes you culpable.

You are the one spouting bullshit. It is a fact, that gun regulations regulate ONLY those who would obey that law to begin.

Sorry, I triggered you, but the truth doesn't care about your feelings.

My feelings aren't hurt, I'm convinced my beliefs are sound, logical, valid and ethical.

Your comment [" You are the one spouting bullshit. It is a fact, that gun regulations regulate ONLY those who would obey that law to begin"] is self evident.

The Bill Passed by the H. of Rep. that Moscow Mitch has not brought to the floor requires a background check which anyone who is honest, sane, sober and law abiding should not fear and ought to support.

Other arguments presented by those opposed to gun regulations may be an inconvenience - licensing and registration for example - are common sense regulations no different than car ownership or operation.

Do yourself a favor and refrain from comparisons of privileges and rights. They are two different animals.

The bill passed by the H. of Rep. that McConnel is not bothering with, rightly, is nothing more than window dressing. It will NOT prevent shootings. It will NOT pervent bad guys from getting guns. It will, in fact, do nothing other than cost taxpayers more in terms of money and lost liberty.

If you want to address gun violence, address the rigid, zero-tolerance teachings we see from the Universities, k - 12 schools, and political discourse.

When we teach young people that it is okay to want to silence someone we do not agree with, we sow the seed of this kind of violence.

Gun regulations and sensible are incompatable terms.

 

[Darkwind]

Look, his family is they only ones to say if he owned one or not. His family "feels" that he only intended for the military to have them.

I don't think your stupid, never said that, sorry if you got that impression. I am unsure why I can't be skeptical on what the motives of the family are. Maybe you should get a hold of them so you can have them sue like you want them to.

I'm done giving you a hard time. Don't think you convinced me or anything, though.

Think of it like this. You hear a knock at the door and then,

Ma'am, how you doing I'm officer dude, and this is officer guy. Is it okay if we come in ? Thank you. Mrs. Lady, we received a complaint that you made a disturbing post on a website called USMB. Here it is right here, do you recognize it at all? You do? Okay so we need to take a look at your browser history real fast, ma'am do you own any firearms? No? Well, for the sake of public safety we need to go head and have a look. What ? We can't do that? Well Mrs. Lady, due to the nature of your post by law and executive order of president Trump we can. We will also need your car keys and we will need to remove all objects from your house that we deem dangerous. Don't worry Mrs. Lady, this is all easy to work out. Just show up to court on this day and you will be able to tell your side of the story and work it all out. In the mean time, no driving as your DL has been suspended until this is cleared up.

Mean while, if your lucky you will get a court date in the near future, and hopefully you got the cash to cover the impound fee as well as court fees. Do you work? Because if news of the visit gets back to your employer that the cops had to come to your house for the stated reason you may get fired.

Look, his family is they only ones to say if he owned one or not. His family "feels" that he only intended for the military to have them.

I don't think your stupid, never said that, sorry if you got that impression. I am unsure why I can't be skeptical on what the motives of the family are. Maybe you should get a hold of them so you can have them sue like you want them to.

I'm done giving you a hard time. Don't think you convinced me or anything, though.

Think of it like this. You hear a knock at the door and then,

Ma'am, how you doing I'm officer dude, and this is officer guy. Is it okay if we come in ? Thank you. Mrs. Lady, we received a complaint that you made a disturbing post on a website called USMB. Here it is right here, do you recognize it at all? You do? Okay so we need to take a look at your browser history real fast, ma'am do you own any firearms? No? Well, for the sake of public safety we need to go head and have a look. What ? We can't do that? Well Mrs. Lady, due to the nature of your post by law and executive order of president Trump we can. We will also need your car keys and we will need to remove all objects from your house that we deem dangerous. Don't worry Mrs. Lady, this is all easy to work out. Just show up to court on this day and you will be able to tell your side of the story and work it all out. In the mean time, no driving as your DL has been suspended until this is cleared up.

Mean while, if your lucky you will get a court date in the near future, and hopefully you got the cash to cover the impound fee as well as court fees. Do you work? Because if news of the visit gets back to your employer that the cops had to come to your house for the stated reason you may get fired.

Pure fiction. This is serious. Wise up.

How is it fiction? What part of my "what if" is implausible?

It is possible, if and only if Trump or another despot wins an election by fraud or the electoral college. We have never had an Authoritarian / Megalomaniac like Trump in the office of POTUS until Jan 20th, 2017.

Trump's rhetoric is already a danger to all of us, and the sage comments by Martin Niemoller ought to remind you and others who cherish liberty to inscribe this on your brain:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller: "First they came for the Socialists..."

That is incorrect. The prior occupant was every bit the authoritarian/megalomanic that you claim Trump is.

When will you begin to address your own house? The left's rhetoric is far and above more dangerous than Trumps.