Discussion in 'Education' started by Zhukov, Aug 6, 2005.
60 years ago today the Empire of the Rising Sun reaped what it had sown.
Your message seems to show you're very very proud of the extermination of 150,000 people by nuclear weapon.
Maybe a little more reserve and respect would be not bad.
(imagine an islamist website showing the WTC in flammes, and at the bottom the green flag of the Jihad, with the "take that" and the sentence "USA repead what they sown".
It would be provocation and you wouldn't accept it. SI act in the same way for the japanese casualties )
...except the japanese weren't 'innocent'.
The japanese were trying to take over the Pacific. They were an aggressive hostile nation, who attacked us w/o warning. We took it to them. We hit back, and because of those two bombs, likely SAVED twice the number who were killed.
I know that the 2 nuclear bombs saved a lot of US lives. When people see that more than 1200 US marines were killed in Betio, a small island of 3km², it would have been certain that the conqeust of the japanses archipel would have been really bloody...here we are ok.
But why do you speak of non-innocents ?
the inhabitants of these two cities were not criminal, they were civilians.
Like in Germany, where the civilian population suffered a lot - Dresden, Hamburg... - , the population of Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't offense USA.
When a country declares war they must also be aware that it is putting it's civilians at risk. Many "civilians" killed in Nagasaki were building weapons.
You're damn right I am.
The fact that you find them equivalent speaks volumes.
And that's where you're wrong.
dillo, they were building weapons because their country was at War.Like everywhere in every countries at war.
Zhukov : the Japanese armed forces offense USA at Pearl Harbor, and during the war. But the population, the civilian guys in the japanese metropolitan cities, didn't kill US soldiers, they maybe worked in some weapons factory, but it's a normal trhing in war time.
It's also "normal" for civilians to be killed in war. It's an ugly business, PE.
sure, but when you can avoid it and kill instead of these civilians military forces, it's better.
Don't say to me that the US HQ hadn't other ways, other targets for their nuke bombs...Like a concentration of armies, a military harbor, a concentration of weapons factory (like in Pennemünde for the IIIrd Reich )
In fact, I disagreed here in this thread with Zhukov's post, who appears as be proud of this nuke, and with a disrespectful way.
But if everybody say : "it's normal that in a war the civilians are killed", first : why an army ? if everybody is killed......
second : then, the Al Quaeda's terror attacks are "normal", they kill civilians durong their war.
but here, everybody is ok to say these attacks were awful.
Nagasaki was the home of the Mitsubishi TORPEDO factory and the Japanese kept US soldiers in POW camps near major troop concentrations.
If enemies of the US are tired of seeing civilians killed they should think about not attacking us. Simple. The US targets military targets FIRST and ONLY us the Bombs because Japan refused to surrender when they were obviously defeated.
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