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That was ironic...unfortunately based on real articles and sayings of modern Ukrainian "history scientists". What is going on today in Ukraine is insane.I see, and all that bullshit you wrote in the post 28 is a result of analyzing and building logical chains I suppose?No. But I doubt in every letter of every article I read, in every sound of every word I hear in mass media. I always try to find alternative point if view about the same theme.Oh, I assume you don’t consider yourself a sheep and think that you know the truth, right?irosie91 ESay
My speech was addressed to such as you sheep who blindly believe in every bs of your lying mainstream mass media.
How can I know what Americans or Europeans know? Well, we live in informational century- it is easy to get such kind of info. Besides I have friends in the US and EU. Sometimes I visit different countries and it is always very interesting to talk about different things. Usually people are very interested in talk to me as they don't meet English speaking Russian often. There are social networks like fb or YouTube where one can find a lot of interesting.
As for different kinds of swearing shich I often see here in disputes...well they simply illustrate the person who uses it. The less one knows the less one can refute the less one respects himself the more often he abuses others.
I always try to analyze who got benefit of those or others events. Building of logic chains helps much.
That is the result of vaccination of Russian society in 90s when we all blindly believed to everything heard by tv o read in newspapers.
Yeah, right. And how many Ukrainian history scientists do you know?That was ironic...unfortunately based on real articles and sayings of modern Ukrainian "history scientists". What is going on today in Ukraine is insane.I see, and all that bullshit you wrote in the post 28 is a result of analyzing and building logical chains I suppose?No. But I doubt in every letter of every article I read, in every sound of every word I hear in mass media. I always try to find alternative point if view about the same theme.Oh, I assume you don’t consider yourself a sheep and think that you know the truth, right?irosie91 ESay
My speech was addressed to such as you sheep who blindly believe in every bs of your lying mainstream mass media.
How can I know what Americans or Europeans know? Well, we live in informational century- it is easy to get such kind of info. Besides I have friends in the US and EU. Sometimes I visit different countries and it is always very interesting to talk about different things. Usually people are very interested in talk to me as they don't meet English speaking Russian often. There are social networks like fb or YouTube where one can find a lot of interesting.
As for different kinds of swearing shich I often see here in disputes...well they simply illustrate the person who uses it. The less one knows the less one can refute the less one respects himself the more often he abuses others.
I always try to analyze who got benefit of those or others events. Building of logic chains helps much.
That is the result of vaccination of Russian society in 90s when we all blindly believed to everything heard by tv o read in newspapers.
Actually it is easy understood irony if one reads at least couple of posts before and after the one you mentioned. But you prefer to take one phrase out of conversation and to make some conclusions....it is so typical for representative of western lying "civilization".
Americans like fighting with others' hands and they succeeded.
Ukraine is part of Russia. And that is the only reason why Russia doesn't use army in solving this problem. Nobody want to kill own people and ruin own cities. That's why US backed puppets so easily kill civilians in Donbass and bombing them.
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What does contemporary Russia have in common with those principalities which formed Kievan Rus for example?There are real historians in Ukraine those who do not change history in favor of ruling elite. Those who take into account real facts without any sorting for changing of the real picture of what happened in past.
History of Ukraine starts at 1918 when it was 1st time called a separate state from Russia. If speaking about history of that territory we should speak about history of Russia.
The territory of contemporary Ukraine (the major part of it) became a part of Russia only in the second half of the 17th century.Ukraine is part of Russia. And that is the only reason why Russia doesn't use army in solving this problem. Nobody want to kill own people and ruin own cities. That's why US backed puppets so easily kill civilians in Donbass and bombing them.
Yes, they weren’t angels in the flesh.As for main ideas of "western" and Russian civilizations.
West never developes its colonies but takes everything they can there while Russia always started from building of domestic infrastructure and developed culture and medical level in all territories they came. As a result Russia is huge now and there are more than 200 nations in it. And nobody wants to separate, they all feel a part of great country.
Look at the history of west
- religion wars against muslims;
- inquisition;
- colonies of south Asia were extremely poor, those nations had almost lost their culture;
- India suffered centuries until getting independent after it was cut into 2 countries- India and Pakistan;
- American Indians were murdered by weapon and bacteriological methods;
- opium wars in China.
...all those methods come from deep history- in Roman Empire they always used deception and guile in their policy. Russian history knows much examples on how Romans did it.
What will you do? Eliminate the Western civilization?That's why I will be always against so called "western civilization".
I am absolutely sure it must be eliminated. Hope we'll do it not by war methods but in peaceful style.
What will you do? Eliminate the Western civilization?That's why I will be always against so called "western civilization".
I am absolutely sure it must be eliminated. Hope we'll do it not by war methods but in peaceful style.
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What will you do? Eliminate the Western civilization?That's why I will be always against so called "western civilization".
I am absolutely sure it must be eliminated. Hope we'll do it not by war methods but in peaceful style.
What is Kievan Rus'?What does contemporary Russia have in common with those principalities which formed Kievan Rus for example?There are real historians in Ukraine those who do not change history in favor of ruling elite. Those who take into account real facts without any sorting for changing of the real picture of what happened in past.
History of Ukraine starts at 1918 when it was 1st time called a separate state from Russia. If speaking about history of that territory we should speak about history of Russia.
The territory of contemporary Ukraine (the major part of it) became a part of Russia only in the second half of the 17th century.Ukraine is part of Russia. And that is the only reason why Russia doesn't use army in solving this problem. Nobody want to kill own people and ruin own cities. That's why US backed puppets so easily kill civilians in Donbass and bombing them.
Yes, they weren’t angels in the flesh.As for main ideas of "western" and Russian civilizations.
West never developes its colonies but takes everything they can there while Russia always started from building of domestic infrastructure and developed culture and medical level in all territories they came. As a result Russia is huge now and there are more than 200 nations in it. And nobody wants to separate, they all feel a part of great country.
Look at the history of west
- religion wars against muslims;
- inquisition;
- colonies of south Asia were extremely poor, those nations had almost lost their culture;
- India suffered centuries until getting independent after it was cut into 2 countries- India and Pakistan;
- American Indians were murdered by weapon and bacteriological methods;
- opium wars in China.
...all those methods come from deep history- in Roman Empire they always used deception and guile in their policy. Russian history knows much examples on how Romans did it.
What will you do? Eliminate the Western civilization?That's why I will be always against so called "western civilization".
I am absolutely sure it must be eliminated. Hope we'll do it not by war methods but in peaceful style.
And are you stupid enough to believe that lying kunt?Colonel Tim Osman (aka "Osama bin Laden") is not my hero.What "Russian invasion of the Ukraine"? And what about Nato in Afghanistan? Are they fighting the Islamists they created to fight the Russians?not really news-------Russia has been supporting the Islamic goose-steppers since even before
1950. Russia fomented the 1967 war between Baathist UAR and Israel -----it was no less part
and parcel of its imperialist program than was the Russian invasion of Afghanistan and the Russian
invasion of Ukraine
Playing dumb again, capt. ? The NATO invented your hero OSAMA? NATO forced
Russia to make moves on Afghanistan?------
But let the saint that you voted tell us about who created Al-Qaeda (formally: Mudschaheddin):
Okay, I will specify my question. What do the principalities of Volyn, Halych, Kiev, Pereyaslavl and Chernigov have in common with contemporary Russia?What is Kievan Rus'?
Do you mean the same as Russian historian Soloviyov who created yhis term in 19 century?
He meant a period of Russian history from 10 till 12 century when Kiev was a city where chief Knyaz' lived. He also mentioned Vladimiran Rus', Suzdalian Rus', Novgorodian...
The culture and the law of that time comes ftom varyags - north-western Slavanians who got control over Rus' territory - Rurik, Oleg, Igor and further generations of their dynasty. Even long mustache and forelock on bold head comes from them and today Ukrainians csll it their national style.
Don’t twist my words, Russian. I wrote precisely this The territory of contemporary Ukraine (the major part of it) became a part of Russia only in the second half of the 17th century. And now I will ask again what I asked above: What do the principalities of Volyn, Halych, Kiev, Pereyaslavl and Chernigov have in common with contemporary Russia?Territory of Ukraine got controlled by Rus' in 17 century?
Check the Tus' map of 11 century!
Yes, I can repeat this once more – they weren’t angels in the flesh. And I don’t understand what you want. You want to eliminate them? Okay. But what does ‘eliminate’ mean in this context?Very funny to hear your phrase "they were not angels in the flesh"!
Why don't you say the same about ISIS for exsmple? ...about Hitler?
If we say that we may do whatever we want, kill anyone anywhere and than say your magic phrase. Just wow!
I don't see any specification. The question still remains incorrect.Okay, I will specify my question. What do the principalities of Volyn, Halych, Kiev, Pereyaslavl and Chernigov have in common with contemporary Russia?
I don't twist your words, it is not my method.Don’t twist my words, Russian. I wrote precisely this The territory of contemporary Ukraine (the major part of it) became a part of Russia only in the second half of the 17th century.
Okay, let’s start from the beginning. Some time ago at these lands emerged people, who built the cities there, developed their culture, created states and so on. These people became to call themselves a common name Rus. Then there was the Mongol invasion. What was after that?I don't see any specification. The question still remains incorrect.Okay, I will specify my question. What do the principalities of Volyn, Halych, Kiev, Pereyaslavl and Chernigov have in common with contemporary Russia?
They have as many common aspects as any Middle Age European principalities have with modern EU states.
But as far as I can guess you try to state that mentioned above principalities were of much higher level and still remain in modern ua. Bs!
It was not part of Rus. It was Rus itself.I don't twist your words, it is not my method.Don’t twist my words, Russian. I wrote precisely this The territory of contemporary Ukraine (the major part of it) became a part of Russia only in the second half of the 17th century.
U said your statement and I showed you a map of 11 century where ine can see that territory of contemporary Ukraine had already been a part of Rus'.
Even earlier Oleg, Knyaz, Rurik's friend, guardian and tutor of his son Igor. In 9th century Oleg got control over Kiev and made it a capital because it was close to veld where enemies came from often (Pechenegs, Bulgarians, Khazars and even Romans who preferred to act by other's hands).
Okay, let’s start from the beginning. Some time ago at these lands emerged people, who built the cities there, developed their culture, created states and so on. These people became to call themselves a common name Rus. Then there was the Mongol invasion. What was after that?
It was not part of Rus. It was Rus itself.
Actually, there are two main versions of origin of the name Rus: a Normanist one and so-called anti-Normanist (there are several versions in this theory). According to the Normanist version Rus is the name of some people who lived in the territory of contemporary Sweden and who later came to the lands of East Slavic, Baltic and Finn tribes as warriors and rulers.First term Rus' came from west-northern part of Slavanian lands. Thst was how Knyaz' army was called in 8-9 centuries.
If you open "Slovo o polku Igoreve" and some later annals you will find a certain phrase describing how Novgorodians had called "Rurik, Sineus and Truvor to come with their Rus' to their land".
Of course they were called Rus much earlier. At least from the 11th century. In a narrow sense the term Rus was confined to the territories of Kiev, Chernigov and Pereyaslav principalities.The territory of Slavic principalities wasn't called Rus' until 16 or even 17 century. But people living there often called themselves Rus' which meant they belonged to Rus'.
After the Mongol invasion the territory of Rus (in a wide sense) virtually broke to the two main parts – so called North-Eastern and South-Western Rus. The latter became a part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania (which was de facto the Rus state before its union with Poland); the former remained under the Mongol rule a century longer (though this rule was nominal in the last decades), after that the Grand Duchy of Muscow became a strong state and began to join surrounding lands. The main part of South-Western Rus became a part of Russia (a name adopted by Moscow rulers when their idea fix was ‘gathering of Rus lands’) only in the second half of 17th century.Mongol invasion was a great disaster. Slavic lands were thrown back in their cultural, economical and social development. But thanks to huge resist of Slavanians to Mongols that invasion hadn't moved further to Europe- only some Polish, Hungarian and Croatian cities were defeated and ruined. In fact European Christian civilization was saved by Rus' who suffered for more than 2 centuries.
After Mongols were beaten Rus' had to fight against europeans - polish, litovian, sweaden agression was permanent until Ivan IV and Peter I created strong Russian state.
You try to express new Ukrainian idea that ancient Rus' is Ukraine. And Russia is evolution of those Mongols.
That idea is nothing but fake which has nothing from history but has a lot from politically grounded falsification.
