Syria conflict takes Kurds towards autonomy

[Sally]

Maybe the Kurds will finally get their own country. They are an ancient people numbering around 70 million, and there are many countries with smaller populations than that.


Syria conflict takes Kurds towards autonomy

By Rana Moussaoui (AFP) Feb 16, 2016 in World

Syria's Kurds, long held in disdain by Damascus, are edging towards autonomy in their heartland along Turkey's border as they capitalise on the tactical goals of both Washington and Moscow.

To the dismay of Ankara, Kurdish forces have seized on the collapse of rebels in the northern province of Aleppo in the face of Russian-backed regime gains to advance to within 20 kilometres (12 miles) of the border.

From the outset of the Syrian conflict in 2011, the Kurds benefited from the regime's pullback from their regions to establish a local administration spanning from northwest to northeast Syria.

According to Syria analyst Fabrice Balanche, the Kurds who have gained ground mostly from Islamic State jihadists who now control 14 percent of Syrian territory, or 26,000 square kilometres (10,000 square miles), compared with nine percent in 2012.



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Syria conflict takes Kurds towards autonomy

 

[tinydancer]

Maybe the Kurds will finally get their own country. They are an ancient people numbering around 70 million, and there are many countries with smaller populations than that.


Syria conflict takes Kurds towards autonomy

By Rana Moussaoui (AFP) Feb 16, 2016 in World

Syria's Kurds, long held in disdain by Damascus, are edging towards autonomy in their heartland along Turkey's border as they capitalise on the tactical goals of both Washington and Moscow.

To the dismay of Ankara, Kurdish forces have seized on the collapse of rebels in the northern province of Aleppo in the face of Russian-backed regime gains to advance to within 20 kilometres (12 miles) of the border.

From the outset of the Syrian conflict in 2011, the Kurds benefited from the regime's pullback from their regions to establish a local administration spanning from northwest to northeast Syria.

According to Syria analyst Fabrice Balanche, the Kurds who have gained ground mostly from Islamic State jihadists who now control 14 percent of Syrian territory, or 26,000 square kilometres (10,000 square miles), compared with nine percent in 2012.



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Syria conflict takes Kurds towards autonomy

The Kurds back Assad. And Assad backs the Kurds. This is good.

 

[aris2chat]

Not if the turks have anything to say about

 

[montelatici]

Not if the turks have anything to say about

And they won't have anything to say about it. Too many Russians around.

 

[waltky]

Syrian Kurds to declare federal system...

Syria conflict: Kurds to declare federal system
Wed, 16 Mar 2016 - Syrian Kurdish parties say they are planning to declare a new federal system in areas they control in the north of the country.

Kurdish parties say they are planning to declare a new federal system in areas they control in northern Syria. The Kurds already operate "autonomous administrations" in three enclaves bordering Turkey - Afrin and Kobane in Aleppo province and Jazira in Hassakeh. The federal system would also include predominantly Arab and Turkmen areas captured from so-called Islamic State. The idea was dismissed by Syrian government negotiators at peace talks in Geneva and by Turkey's government. Both stressed the need to preserve Syria's national unity and territorial integrity.

'Unilateral decision'

Kurds made up between 7% and 10% of Syria's population of 24.5 million before the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad began five years ago. Although they were denied basic rights and suffered decades of political suppression by the Arab-led state, most Kurds avoided taking sides when a wave of protests swept the country. When government forces withdrew from Kurdish areas to concentrate on fighting predominantly Arab rebels elsewhere in mid-2012, Kurdish militias swiftly took control, led by the Popular Protection Units (YPG) of the Democratic Union Party (PYD). In January 2014, the PYD and other Kurdish parties created autonomous administrations based in the enclaves, or "cantons", of Afrin, Kobane and Jazira. They stressed at the time that they were not seeking independence from Syria, but "local democratic administration" within a federal framework.

In September 2014, the jihadist group Islamic State (IS) launched an assault on Kobane, prompting tens of thousands of people to flee to Turkey. With the help of US air power, the YPG regained control of the town after a four-month battle. Since then, the YPG has inflicted a series of defeats on IS and established control over 26,000 sq km (10,000 sq miles) of Syria, according to one estimate, including a 400km (250-mile) stretch of territory along the Turkish border. The plan to create a federal system to administer the three cantons and the territory captured from IS was circulated ahead of a meeting of about 200 Kurdish representatives in the town of Rmeilan on Wednesday. Kurdish official Idris Nassan told the Reuters news agency that a federal arrangement would widen "the framework of self-administration that the Kurds and others have formed" and would represent all ethnic groups.

An official declaration was expected on Wednesday but was postponed for "logistical reasons" and because of concerns expressed by local Arab and Assyrian communities, according to the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. When asked about the Kurdish plan, the Syrian government's chief negotiator at the peace talks in Geneva said he would not comment on "unilateral statements coming from here and there". But he warned: "Betting on creating any kind of divisions among the Syrians will be a total failure." Turkey, which backs Syria's opposition and sees the PYD as an extension of the rebel Turkish Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), also rejected the idea. "Syria's national unity and territorial integrity is fundamental for us. Outside of this, unilateral decisions cannot have validity," a foreign ministry official told Reuters.

Syria conflict: Kurds to declare federal system - BBC News

 

[waltky]

Iraq tryin' to block Kurdish state...

Iraqi Supreme Court Suspends Kurdish Referendum
Monday 18th September, 2017 - Iraq's supreme court has approved a request by Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi to suspend an independence referendum that the country's Kurdistan region planned to hold later this month.

The court said Monday the vote will be on hold until it reviews cases regarding the constitutionality of the vote. Abadi has repeatedly spoken out against the referendum, including in an interview with the Associated Press on Saturday in which he called the independence vote a 'dangerous escalation' that would invite violations of Iraqi sovereignty.

Abadi also told an Iraqi news agency that the Kurds would be 'playing with fire' by continuing with plans for the referendum in the three governorates that make up the Kurdish autonomous region. The Kurdish region has repeatedly ignored calls to cancel the referendum, and the supreme court has little power to implement its order.

Turkish opposition

On Friday, Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim warned that the Iraqi Kurdish plan to hold an independence referendum was a 'grave mistake.'

FILE - Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim speaks during a meeting with representatives of German companies, in Ankara, Turkey, July 27, 2017.​

Iraqi Kurdistan regional President Masoud Barzani is backing the referendum. Turkey, which borders the Iraqi Kurdish region, has strong ties with Barzani, but Ankara has been stepping up its pressure to call off the vote. 'We don't want to impose sanctions, but, if we arrive at that point, there are steps that have been already planned that Turkey can take,' Yildirim said.

Ankara, with its own restive Kurdish minority, that mainly borders Iraqi Kurdistan, fears an independent Kurdish state could fuel similar secessionist demands. Those fears are heightened by the suspicion that Syrian Kurds on the Turkish border harbor the same independence ambitions.

US against plan

The United States has voiced strong opposition to the independence vote. On Friday the White House released a statement saying the United States 'does not support' the Kurdish plan to hold a referendum, saying the plan 'is distracting from efforts to defeat ISIS and stabilize the liberated areas.' Further, it says, 'Holding the referendum in disputed areas is particularly provocative and destabilizing.'

The Trump administration is calling on the Kurds to cancel the referendum and instead engage in 'serious and sustained dialogue with Baghdad,' which the U.S. has offered to facilitate. Iran has also registered its opposition to the referendum, but Turkey arguably has the most leverage on the Iraqi Kurds. The Habur border gate on Turkey's frontier with Iraq is the main trade route to the outside world for Iraqi Kurdistan, while an oil pipeline to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan provides a financial lifeline.

Iraqi Supreme Court Suspends Kurdish Referendum

 

[Eugene]

Actually kurds are different in their view of their nation's future.
There are many kurds in Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Some wish to get their own state, some wish to get autonomy with exemptional rights but in borders of existing states and some are satisfied with today situation.
In Syria kurds were never disdained. Syria was multinational secular state unlike all neighbors and many different nations and different confessions lived friendly until external involvement began.

Today we see 2 most important facts about Kurds in Syria:
1. The US try to fight ISIS by their hands and try to create a conflict between Kurds and Russian military in Syria.
2. Turkey has been fighting Kurds in both own territory and close to Turkish border Syrian regions. They held a real war using aviation and heavy weapons. And Turkey is very very upset because of US backing Kurds.

So now it is too early to make some conclusions and very difficult to predict the future of Syria and Kurds. First need to finish the war against ISIS, than keep Syria in present official borders and only after that will think about Kurds' future.
Some other way would be illegal.

 

[irosie91]

Actually kurds are different in their view of their nation's future.
There are many kurds in Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Some wish to get their own state, some wish to get autonomy with exemptional rights but in borders of existing states and some are satisfied with today situation.
In Syria kurds were never disdained. Syria was multinational secular state unlike all neighbors and many different nations and different confessions lived friendly until external involvement began.

Today we see 2 most important facts about Kurds in Syria:
1. The US try to fight ISIS by their hands and try to create a conflict between Kurds and Russian military in Syria.
2. Turkey has been fighting Kurds in both own territory and close to Turkish border Syrian regions. They held a real war using aviation and heavy weapons. And Turkey is very very upset because of US backing Kurds.

So now it is too early to make some conclusions and very difficult to predict the future of Syria and Kurds. First need to finish the war against ISIS, than keep Syria in present official borders and only after that will think about Kurds' future.
Some other way would be illegal.

there are many many Syrians in the USA-----LOTS. "Eugene" never met one---------(it is likely that "Eugene" is really capt. blei. ) -------neither of
the Doppelgangers are Kurds. Syria is so loving a country that it was a major LAND OF SANCTUARY for escapees from the Nuremburg
trials in the post World War II era. The escapees were (could be a few still are) prolific authors of material used as school books for the
children of people like "eurgene" and captain blei

 

[Eugene]

There are a lot of people from anywhere both in the USA and Russia.
If talking about real acquaintances I know just one Syrian guy who returned back home in july. And he is so fanatical about Russia and Putin that we even argued much as I showed him the real picture not that idealistic he used to have painted in him mind.

Your suspections of my being Doppelgänger can be checked easily by comparing our IP. Or I may invite you to visit me here in Vladivostok (Russian pasific coast) - will see me with your osn eyes.
Are you ready to prove your being a real person with such a ridiculous points of view?

If you mean Nurnberg when you type "Nuremburg", I wish to remind you that most of war criminals fascists were taken to the USA. They took active part in American nuclear, space programs and in other spheres such as media, propaganda, psychological mass control and others.
Some of your businessmen created their main capital with German nazi help - Soros is the brightest example.

So all your statements are absolute absurd.
And I really doubt if I should answere you further.

 

[irosie91]

There are a lot of people from anywhere both in the USA and Russia.
If talking about real acquaintances I know just one Syrian guy who returned back home in july. And he is so fanatical about Russia and Putin that we even argued much as I showed him the real picture not that idealistic he used to have painted in him mind.

Your suspections of my being Doppelgänger can be checked easily by comparing our IP. Or I may invite you to visit me here in Vladivostok (Russian pasific coast) - will see me with your osn eyes.
Are you ready to prove your being a real person with such a ridiculous points of view?

If you mean Nurnberg when you type "Nuremburg", I wish to remind you that most of war criminals fascists were taken to the USA. They took active part in American nuclear, space programs and in other spheres such as media, propaganda, psychological mass control and others.
Some of your businessmen created their main capital with German nazi help - Soros is the brightest example.

So all your statements are absolute absurd.
And I really doubt if I should answere you further.

you are quite a joke--------perhaps not so much your fault-----victim of intensive "training" As to your Syrian friend-----you are
talking about a person just as propagandized as are you. Most of the Syrians I have known------have been escapees from its filth
Mostly very innocent persons of the eastern orthodox faith and some jews. I do not recall ever encountering a muslim from Syria.
As to your typical propaganda filth concept of the US harboring Nazi war criminals------NOPE ----that's the Baathist pig countries like
Syria, Egypt and even parts of Yemen------lots of Nazi shit in Argentina and a few other Latin American countries.

 

[Eugene]

Read these articles:
Seven Decades of Nazi Collaboration: America’s Dirty Little Ukraine Secret

Was Nazi Germany Made in America?

Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program to Bring Nazi Scientists to America — Central Intelligence Agency
Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

Soros:
Soros Helped The Nazis During Holocaust | Sweetness & Light

There are much others, so don't try to deny real facts.

 

[irosie91]

Read these articles:
Seven Decades of Nazi Collaboration: America’s Dirty Little Ukraine Secret

Was Nazi Germany Made in America?

Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program to Bring Nazi Scientists to America — Central Intelligence Agency
Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

Soros:
Soros Helped The Nazis During Holocaust | Sweetness & Light

There are much others, so don't try to deny real facts.

that's it ? a child in a country that WELCOMED the Nazis---separated from his parents and shunted
into hiding as the WELCOMED NAZIS went about killing his relatives and childhood friends?----<<< not
much of an example.. Calling him a Nazi war criminal would be tantamount to calling almost every
german child, and lots of polish children and some French children WAR CRIMINALS---(as well as lots
of Ukrainian and Russian children------so don't try to deny the real facts

 

[Eugene]

Read these articles:
Seven Decades of Nazi Collaboration: America’s Dirty Little Ukraine Secret

Was Nazi Germany Made in America?

Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program to Bring Nazi Scientists to America — Central Intelligence Agency
Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

Soros:
Soros Helped The Nazis During Holocaust | Sweetness & Light

There are much others, so don't try to deny real facts.

that's it ? a child in a country that WELCOMED the Nazis---separated from his parents and shunted
into hiding as the WELCOMED NAZIS went about killing his relatives and childhood friends?----<<< not
much of an example.. Calling him a Nazi war criminal would be tantamount to calling almost every
german child, and lots of polish children and some French children WAR CRIMINALS---(as well as lots
of Ukrainian and Russian children------so don't try to deny the real facts

U got several links but noted only the one about Soros.
He is an animal a lot csn be told about. His capital starts from gold taken by germans from jews killed in conc. camps.

In France facsism was very popular. Even Berlin in 1945 was defended mostly by french Nazis.
USA is the most racist country in the world- a berry if the same field as we say.

Noone will deny that the USA got huge profit out of ww2 (ww1 allowed you to raise the economy) - you got a lot of scientists, you got a lot of work according to Marshall plan which allowed you to get control of whole Western Europe's economy.
It is silly to deny American aggressiveness- nuclear bombing of Japan when there was no need and placing military bases all over the world.
U've done what Hitler planned but in a smarter way.

And again only Russia must save the world...maybe this time China will help.

Arguing with u looks senseless for me. U are overfilled with your propaganda.

 

[Moonglow]

Iraq is starting a new offensive by Kirkuk, I doubt they let the Kurds have their own country..

 

[irosie91]

Read these articles:
Seven Decades of Nazi Collaboration: America’s Dirty Little Ukraine Secret

Was Nazi Germany Made in America?

Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program to Bring Nazi Scientists to America — Central Intelligence Agency
Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

Soros:
Soros Helped The Nazis During Holocaust | Sweetness & Light

There are much others, so don't try to deny real facts.

that's it ? a child in a country that WELCOMED the Nazis---separated from his parents and shunted
into hiding as the WELCOMED NAZIS went about killing his relatives and childhood friends?----<<< not
much of an example.. Calling him a Nazi war criminal would be tantamount to calling almost every
german child, and lots of polish children and some French children WAR CRIMINALS---(as well as lots
of Ukrainian and Russian children------so don't try to deny the real facts

U got several links but noted only the one about Soros.
He is an animal a lot csn be told about. His capital starts from gold taken by germans from jews killed in conc. camps.

In France facsism was very popular. Even Berlin in 1945 was defended mostly by french Nazis.
USA is the most racist country in the world- a berry if the same field as we say.

Noone will deny that the USA got huge profit out of ww2 (ww1 allowed you to raise the economy) - you got a lot of scientists, you got a lot of work according to Marshall plan which allowed you to get control of whole Western Europe's economy.
It is silly to deny American aggressiveness- nuclear bombing of Japan when there was no need and placing military bases all over the world.
U've done what Hitler planned but in a smarter way.

And again only Russia must save the world...maybe this time China will help.

Arguing with u looks senseless for me. U are overfilled with your propaganda.

you have said nothing. I am no fan of Soros-----you seem OBSESSED with him as if he IS THE USA.
He was a child in a NAZI COUNTRY-----Hungary was NAZI COMPLIANT far more than was France. As to
your complaint that World War II was a boon to the USA economy ------SO? Your pal adolf did not plan it that
way and neither did Stalin-------in fact, neither did FDR. That's how it panned out. FDR did not declare war
in order to inherit Wernher Von Braun. Truman made a decision to use atomic bombs -----in order to shorten
the war.. Russia went ape ship imperialist thruout the post world war II era---instigating violent coups-----your
complaint about US military bases in collapsed countries is idiotic. BTW POOOOTIN is in APE SHIT---imperialist
mode right now. Syria is HIS WAR -----along with imperialist Iran

 

[Eugene]

Read these articles:
Seven Decades of Nazi Collaboration: America’s Dirty Little Ukraine Secret

Was Nazi Germany Made in America?

Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program to Bring Nazi Scientists to America — Central Intelligence Agency
Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

Soros:
Soros Helped The Nazis During Holocaust | Sweetness & Light

There are much others, so don't try to deny real facts.

that's it ? a child in a country that WELCOMED the Nazis---separated from his parents and shunted
into hiding as the WELCOMED NAZIS went about killing his relatives and childhood friends?----<<< not
much of an example.. Calling him a Nazi war criminal would be tantamount to calling almost every
german child, and lots of polish children and some French children WAR CRIMINALS---(as well as lots
of Ukrainian and Russian children------so don't try to deny the real facts

U got several links but noted only the one about Soros.
He is an animal a lot csn be told about. His capital starts from gold taken by germans from jews killed in conc. camps.

In France facsism was very popular. Even Berlin in 1945 was defended mostly by french Nazis.
USA is the most racist country in the world- a berry if the same field as we say.

Noone will deny that the USA got huge profit out of ww2 (ww1 allowed you to raise the economy) - you got a lot of scientists, you got a lot of work according to Marshall plan which allowed you to get control of whole Western Europe's economy.
It is silly to deny American aggressiveness- nuclear bombing of Japan when there was no need and placing military bases all over the world.
U've done what Hitler planned but in a smarter way.

And again only Russia must save the world...maybe this time China will help.

Arguing with u looks senseless for me. U are overfilled with your propaganda.

you have said nothing. I am no fan of Soros-----you seem OBSESSED with him as if he IS THE USA.
He was a child in a NAZI COUNTRY-----Hungary was NAZI COMPLIANT far more than was France. As to
your complaint that World War II was a boon to the USA economy ------SO? Your pal adolf did not plan it that
way and neither did Stalin-------in fact, neither did FDR. That's how it panned out. FDR did not declare war
in order to inherit Wernher Von Braun. Truman made a decision to use atomic bombs -----in order to shorten
the war.. Russia went ape ship imperialist thruout the post world war II era---instigating violent coups-----your
complaint about US military bases in collapsed countries is idiotic. BTW POOOOTIN is in APE SHIT---imperialist
mode right now. Syria is HIS WAR -----along with imperialist Iran

I judge Soros by what he had done to my country. He is the most evil in the whole human history. His nazi uniform cannot be a reason for such attitude.
But anyway jew who helped to kill jews is .... if you think it is ok, you're not a person to be trusted. Such as you are not normal people not human beings but ready to betray selfish beings.

My "complaint to economy boon of the US economy" is based not on grounds of some kind of envy but I can never accept as normal someone who gets wealth on others' blood.
USA had trade relations to Germany until 1943, though they allies suffered in war.
USA entered the war in 1944 when Germany was almost defeated by the USSR.
USA used nuclear bombs and killed more than 200.000 civilians in Tokyo in august 1945 though there was no need to bomb as Japanese army had already been bitten by soviets. Did just to show that they had such kind of weapon. Not to shorten war - that is bs! Absolutely inhuman. Absolute evil!
USA helped to build Western Europe exchsnging for full control of economic and political spheres. Rich on someone's blood - it is American style.

More than 800 American bases all over the world- that is the reason of many countries' collapse. You place a base for control the territory the economy in order to suck more and more.

Syria is Putin's war? Nuts?
USA created ISIS, set Middle East on fire... than was declaring war against ISIS in Syria for 5 years and their territories grew. Russia came a year ago and the war is almost over in Syria now. That is fact!

That is my last words to you. U don't deserve my time. U are dimply dust existing until wind blow u out.

 

[irosie91]

Read these articles:
Seven Decades of Nazi Collaboration: America’s Dirty Little Ukraine Secret

Was Nazi Germany Made in America?

Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program to Bring Nazi Scientists to America — Central Intelligence Agency
Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

Soros:
Soros Helped The Nazis During Holocaust | Sweetness & Light

There are much others, so don't try to deny real facts.

that's it ? a child in a country that WELCOMED the Nazis---separated from his parents and shunted
into hiding as the WELCOMED NAZIS went about killing his relatives and childhood friends?----<<< not
much of an example.. Calling him a Nazi war criminal would be tantamount to calling almost every
german child, and lots of polish children and some French children WAR CRIMINALS---(as well as lots
of Ukrainian and Russian children------so don't try to deny the real facts

U got several links but noted only the one about Soros.
He is an animal a lot csn be told about. His capital starts from gold taken by germans from jews killed in conc. camps.

In France facsism was very popular. Even Berlin in 1945 was defended mostly by french Nazis.
USA is the most racist country in the world- a berry if the same field as we say.

Noone will deny that the USA got huge profit out of ww2 (ww1 allowed you to raise the economy) - you got a lot of scientists, you got a lot of work according to Marshall plan which allowed you to get control of whole Western Europe's economy.
It is silly to deny American aggressiveness- nuclear bombing of Japan when there was no need and placing military bases all over the world.
U've done what Hitler planned but in a smarter way.

And again only Russia must save the world...maybe this time China will help.

Arguing with u looks senseless for me. U are overfilled with your propaganda.

you have said nothing. I am no fan of Soros-----you seem OBSESSED with him as if he IS THE USA.
He was a child in a NAZI COUNTRY-----Hungary was NAZI COMPLIANT far more than was France. As to
your complaint that World War II was a boon to the USA economy ------SO? Your pal adolf did not plan it that
way and neither did Stalin-------in fact, neither did FDR. That's how it panned out. FDR did not declare war
in order to inherit Wernher Von Braun. Truman made a decision to use atomic bombs -----in order to shorten
the war.. Russia went ape ship imperialist thruout the post world war II era---instigating violent coups-----your
complaint about US military bases in collapsed countries is idiotic. BTW POOOOTIN is in APE SHIT---imperialist
mode right now. Syria is HIS WAR -----along with imperialist Iran

I judge Soros by what he had done to my country. He is the most evil in the whole human history. His nazi uniform cannot be a reason for such attitude.
But anyway jew who helped to kill jews is .... if you think it is ok, you're not a person to be trusted. Such as you are not normal people not human beings but ready to betray selfish beings.

My "complaint to economy boon of the US economy" is based not on grounds of some kind of envy but I can never accept as normal someone who gets wealth on others' blood.
USA had trade relations to Germany until 1943, though they allies suffered in war.
USA entered the war in 1944 when Germany was almost defeated by the USSR.
USA used nuclear bombs and killed more than 200.000 civilians in Tokyo in august 1945 though there was no need to bomb as Japanese army had already been bitten by soviets. Did just to show that they had such kind of weapon. Not to shorten war - that is bs! Absolutely inhuman. Absolute evil!
USA helped to build Western Europe exchsnging for full control of economic and political spheres. Rich on someone's blood - it is American style.

More than 800 American bases all over the world- that is the reason of many countries' collapse. You place a base for control the territory the economy in order to suck more and more.

Syria is Putin's war? Nuts?
USA created ISIS, set Middle East on fire... than was declaring war against ISIS in Syria for 5 years and their territories grew. Russia came a year ago and the war is almost over in Syria now. That is fact!

That is my last words to you. U don't deserve my time. U are dimply dust existing until wind blow u out.

you are sick POINT BY POINT-------soros was a jew given over to HUNGARIAN CHRISTIANS as a child------generally that
means Catholics. I have never heard or read anything that suggests that HE actually killed people-----neither did Schwarzenegger
who was a "HITLER's YOUTH" boy--------it was what catholic boys in Germany and Hungary DID as "normal" Who "got wealth"
on someone's blood? As to US trade relations----It is not clear to me that the USA government was involved in trade relations
with Germany-------trade being what it is-----it is LIKELY that some US citizens had some sort of interests with some German
citizens--------your statement that the US was not in a state of war with Germany until 1944 is beyond INSANE, nor do I believe
you that somehow RUSSIA had control on JAPAN----------I have know people who were still fighting the JAPS,, (americans)
well into 1944------my 8th grade general science teachers talked INCESSANTLY of his experiences in JAPANESE
OCCUPIED GUAM. From whom did you learn history ----STALIN?

 

[pbrock]

Iraq's vice president said that his country will not allow the creation of a second Israel...

 

[irosie91]

Iraq's vice president said that his country will not allow the creation of a second Israel...

LOL