Syracuse Arms Grade 2 Damascus side be side

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    Went to the gun show in town today, ran across a 1880s 12 gauge Syracuse Arms shotgun in fair shape. The guy had it listed for $250, I left for a while and came back just before closing, he let me have it for $150. Needs to be cleaned up, has some small dings in the barrel and only one side still fires (not that I'll be firing it).
    This is a photo I pulled off the internet, mine looks the same but needs a good cleaning.

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    /---/ If you were to fire it, what kind of shell would it take and can the barrel be repaired? Not sure if it's a collectible
     
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    Most likely a black powder or Poudre B (first smokeless powder) 12 gauge shell as for getting the dings out a good damascus gunsmith (few and far between) might be able to, I wouldn't have a regular gunsmith try it. Re it's collectability they're not highly valued right now and in reality I paid just a little less than what the gun is really worth.
     
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    I wouldn't be afraid to load up some black powder shells for it. I've owned 5 different antique muzzle-loading rifles in the last 10 years, from .32, .36, and up to .56 caliber. Even the authentically-old ones are remarkably strong. It would be easy to look online and get some black powder charge tables for that Damascus shotty. Just strap it down to a tire with a string on the trigger first. :biggrin:
     
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    Gotta pick up some Hoppe's No 9, Lacquer thinner and a Frontier Pad. Still trying to figure out how to remove the butt, think there's an extra pin but not sure, I can get it loose but it won't disconnect from the hardware.
     
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    So long as you shoot black powder loads through it you would be OK. I have an old Greener that i bought back in the 1970's (after watching Big Jake, I figured if it was good enough for John Wayne it was good enough for me!) and i have been shooting it pretty regularly for the last few decades. They're a hoot! Especially when I shoot trap with it at the club!
     
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    I couldn't find a youtube video explaining how to disassemble that one, just this diagram that doesn't show much..

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    A Youtube video on shooting those shotguns:

     
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    I would stick with he black for sure. FF maybe or the black that this CAS guys use. Starline sells the full brass (as in ALL brass) shot gun shells. If the one barrel won’t cloak at all, one could hose it down with WD-40, but I would be sure there were o dents in that barrel.
     
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    It's also called a Hollenbeck (pre-Syracuse Arms). Supposedly Tom Archer (Double Gun Journal) did a five part series on these guns, looking into it now.
     
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    It's hard to see but the top close up in the picture is supposed to be what my barrel looks like.
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    I doubt I can get it clean enough without a full refinish to make it look like the one on this Remington.

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