Sweden says it built a "RuSSian" fighter jet killer and stealth is totally irrelevant

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    If you want to shoot down Russians, it's not the plane, it's the pilot... hire Israelis

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    Giora Epstein ... 17 Mig Kills lifetime ... 9 in an Israeli Nesher, an Israeli built copy of the Mirage V. Most of those kills up close with guns.
     
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    Gripen E/F is just an retread of a lightweight fighter that first flew in the 80s, it's hardly some world-beater because of EW suite.

    When a fighter manufacturer says stealth is irrelevant it's because they lack the budget/tech to build a stealth fighter, but still want to generate sales. Both Norway and Denmark compared Gripen to F-35 in their competitions for new fighters and went with F-35. All this talk of "active stealth" is marketing bullshit because effectiveness of EW is greatly magnified by the addition of passive stealth.

    Biggest advantage to Gripen E/F over other modern 4.5+ fighters is it's cheap, or at least projected to be cheap. Who knows where the program itself will go, here we are in 2019 and they've got all of two flyable prototypes with projected IOC in 2023.
     
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    not sure that all Israels are ready to fight Muscovites, but Finns will do it for sure, have you seen Finnish- Muscovite wars dogfight statistics ? with thoughts that Finns have had worse, older planes . )))
     
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    Older? They had the Brewster Death Traps. Yet they went up against the Soviets and fought to a standstill. Then they went up against the Germans ME-109 and fought them to a stand still. Almost every country that had Brewsters going into the war found deep holes and berried them.
     
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    they have had not only B-239E fighters, right?
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    None of the B-239E fighters saw combat in the Winter War (1939–1940). However, five of the six delivered during the war became combat-ready before it ended....In service from 1941 to 1945, Buffalos of Lentolaivue 24 (Fighter Squadron 24) claimed 477 Soviet Air Force warplanes destroyed, with the combat loss of just 19 Buffalos, an outstanding victory ratio of 26:1.[34]" Brewster F2A Buffalo - Wikipedia
     
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    ps
    25 June. Stalin´s hordes attack on Finland , Stupidity or aggression?
     
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    You may be thinking about the up engined B-239 to the B-339E standard. The Fins were allied with Germany until 1944. They had license built WRight Cyclone 1820 G-105 instead of the G-5 Engines that they mated to the 239 without permission. They still had a handful of these when they switched sides in 1944. At low altitude, these things were monsters and could hang with anything. They were used to kill the JU-87s primarily. But did tangle with ME-109s at low altitude where the Up Engined Brewster had the advantage. What's funny, Finnland had 109 of the German ME-109G-6 birds that they flew against Russia and then Germany as well for medium to high altitude. Germany needed the Nickel Mines in Finnland and invaded. Hence the Lapland War part of WWII between Finnland and Germany.
     
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