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[Jos]

Cabinet approves loyalty oath, but only for non-Jewish new citizens
Amendment to Law of Citizenship would require any non-Jew seeking citizenship to pledge allegiance to Israel as a 'Jewish and democratic state.'

Cabinet ministers on Sunday approved by a majority vote a controversial proposal which would require every non-Jew wishing to become a citizen of Israel to pledge loyalty to "the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state."

Cabinet approves loyalty oath, but only for non-Jewish new citizens - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
what about the rights of non jew citizens in this "democracy"

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

Cabinet approves loyalty oath, but only for non-Jewish new citizens
Amendment to Law of Citizenship would require any non-Jew seeking citizenship to pledge allegiance to Israel as a 'Jewish and democratic state.'

Cabinet ministers on Sunday approved by a majority vote a controversial proposal which would require every non-Jew wishing to become a citizen of Israel to pledge loyalty to "the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state."

Cabinet approves loyalty oath, but only for non-Jewish new citizens - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
what about the rights of non jew citizens in this "democracy"

Israel: the schizophrenic apartheid statelet...

 

[docmauser1]

Cabinet approves loyalty oath, but only for non-Jewish new citizens
Amendment to Law of Citizenship would require any non-Jew seeking citizenship to pledge allegiance to Israel as a 'Jewish and democratic state.'
Cabinet ministers on Sunday approved by a majority vote a controversial proposal which would require every non-Jew wishing to become a citizen of Israel to pledge loyalty to "the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state."

Cabinet approves loyalty oath, but only for non-Jewish new citizens - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
what about the rights of non jew citizens in this "democracy"

Israel: the schizophrenic apartheid statelet...

And then we have palistanians, trying to squeeze through into Israel. Conclusion: either palistanians are dumbass individuals, or Israel is not a "schizophrenic apartheid statelet". No?

 

[Marc39]

what about the rights of non jew citizens in this "democracy"[/SIZE]

Non-Jews who refuse to pledge their loyalty to the country in which they live that gives its blood to protect their rights and their lives against Arab and Muslim terrorism don't really deserve to live in Israel, dopey.

All American immigrants must take an oath of loyalty, as well...
I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

 

[Marc39]

Israel: the schizophrenic apartheid statelet...

The Rev. Malcolm Hedding, who fought against apartheid in South Africa and who lives in Israel, today, knows better, you fucking moron...

The real apartheid state of South Africa was rightfully dismantled by the early 1990s. It was first discredited, then delegitimized and finally dismantled to the elation of the world and the enslaved black majority who had lived under its brutality. However, to describe Israel in these terms is, quite frankly, immoral and wicked. Yet on university campuses worldwide, this is becoming a very popular cause.

Essentially, apartheid was a totalitarian system of governance – not unlike many of the regimes in the Arab world today. A white minority subjugated the overwhelmingly black population. It was ideologically driven and obsessed with racial superiority. The superior whites could not mingle with or even sit on a bench with the inferior black peoples. Even the education system was “dumbed down” for black people because they were deemed mentally inferior.

THERE IS absolutely nothing equivalent to this in the dispute between the Palestinians and Israel today. Within Israel itself, Arabs and Jews share the same shopping malls, benches, hospitals, theaters and, in many cases, suburbs. The educational institutions do not have a
deliberately “dumbed down” Arab curriculum and the privilege of voting is given to all. The Knesset has Arab members, and Jews, Arabs and Palestinians often work together at construction sites, businesses, hotels and elsewhere.

Most important of all is the fact that Israel is a democratic state. Not a perfect one, but it does have democratic institutions and is definitely not governed by a totalitarian minority! In the disputed territories, some 98 percent of the Palestinian Arab population now lives under the governance of their own Palestinian Authority, where they have the right to vote and change their leaders – at least theoretically. True, Israel has adopted security measures that curtail their movement, but these have been necessitated by the conflict and are legitimate acts of self-defense, rather than acts of racial discrimination.

Expose ?apartheid? charge's real agenda

 

[P F Tinmore]

what about the rights of non jew citizens in this "democracy"[/SIZE]

Non-Jews who refuse to pledge their loyalty to the country in which they live that gives its blood to protect their rights and their lives against Arab and Muslim terrorism don't really deserve to live in Israel, dopey.

All American immigrants must take an oath of loyalty, as well...
I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

Do we demand that the Indians pledge allegiance to the flag?

Just curious.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

The Rev. Malcolm Hedding, who fought against apartheid in South Africa and who lives in Israel, today, knows better, you fucking moron...

He's entitled to his opinion, you stoopid idiot but he is wrong. non-Jews dont have the same rights as Jews and israel is happy to allow bantustans to exist in the West Bank.

 

[docmauser1]

Do we demand that the Indians pledge allegiance to the flag?

Those "you" can, then, demand the current occupier of the iroquois territory vacates the lot and goes back to Africa, or some malaysian madrasa. Justice, isn't it?

Just curious.

Let us not confuse "curious" with "clueless", please.

 

[Marc39]

The Rev. Malcolm Hedding, who fought against apartheid in South Africa and who lives in Israel, today, knows better, you fucking moron...

He's entitled to his opinion, you stoopid idiot but he is wrong. non-Jews dont have the same rights as Jews and israel is happy to allow bantustans to exist in the West Bank.

Malcolm Hedding actually fought to end apartheid in South Africa and actually lives in Israel, which he recognizes as the only apartheid-free country in the repressive Arab Muslim Middle East.

You just sit in your bedroom all day and polish your knob.

 

[docmauser1]

(drivel) non-Jews dont have the same rights as Jews

When non-arabs occupy positions in the saudi government, then we will talk, insh'allah.

and israel is happy to allow bantustans to exist in the West Bank.

"As I told you, no new map was presented to the Palestinians through Taba. But we worked on new internal maps that would reflect the new percentages. And when the ridiculous contention was voiced that what we were proposing to the Palestinians was cantons and that they would not have territorial contiguity, I went to [Egyptian President Hosni] Mubarak and showed him a map. As I recall, it was still the 8-percent map, a map of 8-92. Mubarak perused it with interest and asked aloud why the Palestinians were claiming they didn't have contiguity."
Ben Ami, fmr. Israeli foreign minister.

 

[Marc39]

He's entitled to his opinion, you stoopid idiot but he is wrong. non-Jews dont have the same rights as Jews and israel is happy to allow bantustans to exist in the West Bank.

All Israeli citizens are constitutionally guaranteed equal rights, dildo.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

The Rev. Malcolm Hedding, who fought against apartheid in South Africa and who lives in Israel, today, knows better, you fucking moron...

He's entitled to his opinion, you stoopid idiot but he is wrong. non-Jews dont have the same rights as Jews and israel is happy to allow bantustans to exist in the West Bank.

Malcolm Hedding actually fought to end apartheid in South Africa and actually lives in Israel, which he recognizes as the only apartheid-free country in the repressive Arab Muslim Middle East.

I'll take your Zionazi friendly Rev and raise you a leading SA academic:

South African professor of international law John Dugard, who has served as Judge ad hoc on the International Court of Justice and as a Special Rapporteur for both the United Nations Commission on Human Rights and the International Law Commission, specifically as "Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967," wrote an op-ed published in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution on November 29, 2006. In that editorial, Dugard observes that while Carter's book "is igniting controversy for its allegation that Israel practices a form of apartheid," he understands the deeper rationale for Carter's analogy as follows:

On the face of it, the two regimes are very different.... Apartheid was a system of institutionalized racial discrimination that the white minority in South Africa employed to maintain power over the black majority.... In principle, the purpose of military occupation is different from that of apartheid. It is not designed as a long-term oppressive regime but as an interim measure that maintains law and order in a territory following an armed conflict and pending a peace settlement. But this is not the nature of the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Since 1967 Israel has imposed its control over the Palestinian territories in the manner of a colonizing power, under the guise of occupation. It has permanently seized the territories' most desirable parts — the holy sites in East Jerusalem, Hebron and Bethlehem and the fertile agricultural lands along the western border and in the Jordan Valley — and settled its own Jewish "colonists" throughout the land. Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories has many features of colonization. At the same time it has many of the worst characteristics of apartheid.... Many aspects of Israel's occupation surpass those of the apartheid regime. Israel's large-scale destruction of Palestinian homes, leveling of agricultural lands, military incursions and targeted assassinations of Palestinians far exceed any similar practices in apartheid South Africa. No wall was ever built to separate blacks and whites....

Verdict: WORSE than apartheid...you Zionazis are the pits!

 

[Marc39]

He's entitled to his opinion, you stoopid idiot but he is wrong. non-Jews dont have the same rights as Jews and israel is happy to allow bantustans to exist in the West Bank.

Malcolm Hedding actually fought to end apartheid in South Africa and actually lives in Israel, which he recognizes as the only apartheid-free country in the repressive Arab Muslim Middle East.

I'll take your Zionazi friendly Rev and raise you a leading SA academic

You lose, again, psycho, as your so-called academic is totally clueless about Israeli society, where every Israeli citizen is constitutionally guaranteed equal rights.

Your "academic" doesn't even know what apartheid is as Pallies are not Israeli citizens. LOL

I win, as usual.

 

[docmauser1]

On the face of it, the two regimes are very different.... Apartheid was a system of institutionalized racial discrimination that the white minority in South Africa employed to maintain power over the black majority.... In principle, the purpose of military occupation is different from that of apartheid. It is not designed as a long-term oppressive regime but as an interim measure that maintains law and order in a territory following an armed conflict and pending a peace settlement. But this is not the nature of the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Since 1967 Israel has imposed its control over the Palestinian territories in the manner of a colonizing power, under the guise of occupation. It has permanently seized the territories' most desirable parts — the holy sites in East Jerusalem, Hebron and Bethlehem and the fertile agricultural lands along the western border and in the Jordan Valley — and settled its own Jewish "colonists" throughout the land. Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories has many features of colonization. At the same time it has many of the worst characteristics of apartheid.... Many aspects of Israel's occupation surpass those of the apartheid regime. Israel's large-scale destruction of Palestinian homes, leveling of agricultural lands, military incursions and targeted assassinations of Palestinians far exceed any similar practices in apartheid South Africa.

That was some stupendous drivel, of course. Let's ruin it all with a little fact that, the so-called "Palestinian Liberation Organization" was established in 1964, full three years before the 1967 war, when our dear palisturdians had been "occupied" by Jordan and Egypt, respectively.

No wall was ever built to separate blacks and whites.

Why, the wall, dividing the progressive leftie Spain (and the EU) and Morocco, was, of course.

Verdict: WORSE than apartheid...you Zionazis are the pits!

So much hate. Must be judophobia.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"That was some stupendous drivel, of course. Let's ruin it all with a little fact that, the so-called "Palestinian Liberation Organization" was established in 1964, full three years before the 1967 war, when our dear palisturdians had been "occupied" by Jordan and Egypt, respectively." ~ docmauser1

The 1949 armistice agreements, after the end of the 1948 war, divided Palestine into three occupations: Egypt was to occupy the Gaza Strip, Jordan was to occupy the West Bank, and Israel was to occupy the rest. Palestine's borders remained unchanged from before the war.

 

[docmauser1]

"That was some stupendous drivel, of course. Let's ruin it all with a little fact that, the so-called "Palestinian Liberation Organization" was established in 1964, full three years before the 1967 war, when our dear palisturdians had been "occupied" by Jordan and Egypt, respectively." ~ docmauser1

No formatting? Did I strike a sciatic nerve?

The 1949 armistice agreements, after the end of the 1948 war, divided Palestine into three occupations: Egypt was to occupy the Gaza Strip, Jordan was to occupy the West Bank, and Israel was to occupy the rest. Palestine's borders remained unchanged from before the war.

Nice bull.
Correction's due:

• The armistice didn't divide anything into anything - it just set a cease-fire line, which arabs, for whom lying like a pornstar is a natural position, shamelessly declare a "1967 border".
• Israel hasn't occupied anything - it was all jewish in the first place, of course, as distinct from Egypt and Jordan.
• Palestine has been no more since 1948.
• It's typical of palistaniacal cheerleaders to conveniently forget (abject ignorance may be the reason too) that, real Palestine included Jordan, which Winston hacked off to the royal settling-squatting hashemite gang in 1922.

 

[Jos]

The Israeli government on 10 October approved a controversial bill requiring non-Jews aspiring to obtain Israeli citizenship to pledge an oath of allegiance to Israel as a “Jewish and democratic state”. The move is being seen as a provocation to Israel’s Arab community that amounts to nearly 25 per cent of the population. It is also meant to forestall demands for the repatriation of millions of Palestinian refugees, uprooted and ethnically cleansed from their homes in what is now Israel when it was established in 1948.

The new law doesn’t just seem racist; it is racist, as Yediot Aharonot columnist Nahum Barnea argues, since it compels non-Jews to declare their loyalty to the Jewish state while not demanding the same thing of Jews, many of whom don’t recognise the legitimacy of Israel for religious and theological reasons. Moreover, “Jewish and democratic” is an oxymoron since Israel can’t be Talmudic and democratic at the same time.

Realising that the approval of the new amendment would portray Israel as a state with a racist and face, Israeli leaders hastened to invoke the mantra that Israel was still a democratic state and that non-Jews aspiring to obtain Israeli citizenship had nothing to worry about as their rights and privileges would not be undermined in any way. But this is PR rhetoric at best, since Israeli law is applied selectively and treats citizens or would-be citizens according to their religion.

No Israeli officials or spokesmen have dared explain to reporters or foreign audiences what would happen in case of a clash between the “Jewish” and “democratic” dimensions of the state. For example, which would come first, and which would override the other? The real answer to the question comes from people like David Rotem, a member of the quasi- fascist Yisrael Beiteinu Party, a senior partner in the current Israeli government, who has declared that Israel must first be a Jewish state “and only afterwards a democracy”.

“I want to keep Israel a Jewish state, and if that contradicts democracy, then democracy comes second, period,” Rotem was quoted as saying by Prakilim magazine.

For all intents and purposes, the new law is telling the estimated 1.5-2 million Palestinians who are Israeli citizens that they should come to terms with their inherently inferior status as non-Jews; this despite the fact that 99 per cent of Arabs in Israel have been living in the country for hundreds of years before the arrival of Jewish immigrants.

Arab Knesset member Ahmed Teibi reacted to the new law saying that Israel is democratic for Jews but Jewish for Arabs. “There is no country in the world that forces its citizens, or those naturalising, to swear their loyalty to ideology or a sectarian obligation.”

BRAZEN APARTHEID Desertpeace

 

[Marc39]

]Moreover, “Jewish and democratic” is an oxymoron since Israel can’t be Talmudic and democratic at the same time.

Ho-say, you're clueless. Israel is a secular country with a parliamentary democracy.

There are about 100 democratic countries with state religions, such as Greece (Greek Orthodox Church) and England (Church of England)

US President Bill Clinton...
American and Israel share a special bond. Our relationship is unique among all nations. Like America, Israel is a strong democracy, a symbol of freedom, and an oasis of liberty, a home to the oppressed and persecuted.

Go back to cleaning toilets, Ho-say. You make a fool of yourself.

 

[Marc39]

"
The 1949 armistice agreements, after the end of the 1948 war, divided Palestine into three occupations: Egypt was to occupy the Gaza Strip, Jordan was to occupy the West Bank, and Israel was to occupy the rest. Palestine's borders remained unchanged from before the war.

The Armistice Agreements were non-binding and did not supercede the binding Palestine Mandate establishing all of Palestine, from the Jordan River to the Med. Sea, as the Jewish homeland.

Palestine Mandate...
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country...

Palestine Mandate...
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Now, you know, dopey.