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Rejecting a creed which calls itself a faith and encourages it's followers to be intolerant and violent is good. The people of that faith either line up or ship out. Islam is incompatible with freedom, democracy, and human rights. There is no denial. You cannot tolerate such a faith and give it official status, and then complain when it's followers start acting like neanderthal animals.
LOL, seriously, you thought that was real? You don't know a single Muslim in real life, do you lol? Man, you guys just don't get how ignorant you come off at all... Go visit a city or get yourself an education or something, this is just insane.
As a matter of fact I know many Muslims, I actually grew up in a Muslim country and watched Islam and Islamists destroy it. The non practicing secular Muslims are beautiful people. The more "devout" ones, are a little crazy and totally intolerant, nor would I trust them.
You are alright in MY book!
Your family, friends and associates are okay, too.
As long as you will personally vouch for them.
Somehow you're missing a really basic distinction- rejecting murder is good. Rejecting a religious group because members of it murder people is just stupidity since every religious group has murders in it...
How is this stuff new to you guys? It seems like you must just not participate in normal society at all or something.
My society is quite normal, thank you. I happen to run my own business, and my S.A.T scores and transcripts from High school were good enough to get me accepted to Stanford in 1972. How about you?
As far as murderers in every religion, this is true, of course, but Islam has the distinction of producing an inordinate number who murder as a product OF that religion -- a distinction apparently lost on you and the other apologists. .
I think you ended up responding to the wrong post... Kurtz's post and you appear to be in agreement.
You need to first look closely at the Quran.
.
Sura 2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Sura 3:56 -- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Sura 4:89 -- "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Sura 9:29 -- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Sura :3-4 -- "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"
Sura 25:52 -- "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."
Sura 9:23 -- "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."
and I could list dozens of others.
The idiot Islamic propaganda nonsense article which coyote
cites is TRULY one of the most mendacious I have ever encountered. Well-----maybe we can pretend it's ok if
Coyote admits that the statement "THERE IS EQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW" in the shariah system is a bold faced----feces mouth lie ---or---we can add the disclaimer----
ONLY FOR MUSLIMS The reality of Islamic law is-----
non muslims have NO RIGHTS in an Islamic court. ---none------muslims tend to admit that fact if asked----afterall---
suggesting that non muslims have rights in an Islamic court is so MUCH A FILTHY lie---that even a muslim would be
reluctant to make such a claim.
I will explain the system-----in an Islamic court----a NON MUSLIM cannot testify against or bring a suit against a
muslim-------ok ok I understand---for Coyote that is called
EQUAL RIGHTS. Any testimony offered by a NON MUSLIM which contradicts that of a muslim -----is----simply---NO GOOD ----not valid-----For coyote that constitutes "equal rights" Anyone interested in just how non-muslims manage in shariah cesspits-----I can explain. Its a practical thing. For example----I can use jews as an example-------for some strange reason muslims cannot be shoe makers. In the shariah cesspit in which my hubby was born-----shoes and sandals and even saddles for horses were made by Jews (despite the fact that a jew could not legally ride a horse)------If some jew made really good shoes and some local muslim chieftain NEEDED his services----the
MUSLIM could take up a legal case for a jew-----against a muslim (a very rare occurrence but POSSIBLE-) so there were sometimes ways to manage that which coyote calls
"equal rights"---------good enough for coyote. ------coyote---you should read the articles you cite----they are truly idiotic
And why doesn't the Muslim world reject the bigotry of their faith?
What are you talking about? Wait, let me guess. I bet you're talking about the passages in the Koran that talk about that women should be stoned to death for being raped and whatnot, right? Were you aware that those same exact passages are in the Christian bible too?
Coyote----your comment makes no sense at all-----you are proving yourself stupid. Shariah is not practiced in western and non barbaric societies. I am referring to the
system known as SHARIAH------it includes a SYSTEM OF LAW---an ORDER OF SOCIETY-----and a RELIGION and also MANDATORY SUBJUGATION OF NON MUSLIMS----it is not ---- "I go to a mosque on Friday because I am a muslim just like protestants go to church and sing a Hymn" you are quoting Islamic propaganda
Yes. It is. For example halal is sharia.
What is Sharia Islam A Closer Look
You need to first look closely at the Quran.
.
Sura 2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Sura 3:56 -- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Sura 4:89 -- "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Sura 9:29 -- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Sura :3-4 -- "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"
Sura 25:52 -- "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."
Sura 9:23 -- "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."
and I could list dozens of others.
The Right Wing Playbook on Anti-Muslim Extremism People For the American Way
Anti-Muslim activists frequently take quotes from Muslim scriptures out of context to reflect badly on Islam. “One of the most common mistakes made in cross-religious conversations is that people end up comparing the loftiest and noblest aspects of their own tradition with the most hideous aspects of others,” writes University of North Carolina professor Omid Safi. “A common ploy by Islamophobes is to go to a predictable list of verses in the Qur'an and the words of Muhammad and to argue that these verses --with no context, no interpretation, and no alternative set of verses -- represent the essence of Islam for all eternity, no matter what Muslims may say or why they may protest.”
It isn't the religion of Islam but rather the bloodlust culture it has spawned.
When adherents to that culture exhibit no tolerance for "the other" or even others within their own culture...
Maybe the problem you guys are having understanding this issue is the same Fox-brainrot problem that we see causing you guys trouble on so many issues... Fox only shows you Muslims in the context of terrorism, and you don't have much exposure to the real world, so you just start to think Muslim=terrorist or something... In real life, of course, Muslims are no more prone to violence than anybody else. If you meet a particular Muslim person, they're just like anybody else you would meet. Terrorists are like 0.001% of Muslims just like they're 0.001% of Christians or whatever the percentage is... The problem is your lack of exposure skewing your perception.
If Islam doesn't make people prone to violence then why do we keep seeing people who converted to Islam or joined an Islamist group get infected with sudden Jihad syndrome, and go out and slaughter complete strangers who are totally innocent? There has to be something in the ideology that makes them think they are doing the right thing. Period.
When it comes to the point where irrational hate overcomes all reason. There is no defending it.
When comes to the point where people seriously and gleefully entertain the thought of removing constitutional protections from a group of American citizens for no reason than that they are belivers of a certain faith...not for anything they have done, not for any law they have broken, not for anything but the fact that they are followers of a certain faith -- then it's time to leave this conversation because there is nothing more to say.
You need to first look closely at the Quran.
.
Sura 2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Sura 3:56 -- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Sura 4:89 -- "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Sura 9:29 -- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Sura :3-4 -- "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"
Sura 25:52 -- "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."
Sura 9:23 -- "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."
and I could list dozens of others.
The Right Wing Playbook on Anti-Muslim Extremism People For the American Way
Anti-Muslim activists frequently take quotes from Muslim scriptures out of context to reflect badly on Islam. “One of the most common mistakes made in cross-religious conversations is that people end up comparing the loftiest and noblest aspects of their own tradition with the most hideous aspects of others,” writes University of North Carolina professor Omid Safi. “A common ploy by Islamophobes is to go to a predictable list of verses in the Qur'an and the words of Muhammad and to argue that these verses --with no context, no interpretation, and no alternative set of verses -- represent the essence of Islam for all eternity, no matter what Muslims may say or why they may protest.”
gee----that is silly which is why I never quote the Koran----despite the fact that of the people who post here I am probably ony one of a very few who ever read that book.
For me------that which defines islam is ISLAMIC LAW as
determined by Islamic scholars-----sorta like jewish law is
defined by jewish scholars I did not know jewish law by
a casual reading of the bible OR Islamic law by a casual
reading of the Koran. I learned about Islamic law----from
muslims and ----non muslims who lived in shariah cesspits and LIVED that system of law. I find it really silly when I cite some aspect of Islamic law and some idiot says
WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT IN THE KORAN??? -----
I do not INTERPRET the Koran-----muslim scholars do. Of course there are lots of people who post here who imagine
that they can interpret the bible law------even funnier
When it comes to the point where irrational hate overcomes all reason. There is no defending it.
When comes to the point where people seriously and gleefully entertain the thought of removing constitutional protections from a group of American citizens for no reason than that they are belivers of a certain faith...not for anything they have done, not for any law they have broken, not for anything but the fact that they are followers of a certain faith -- then it's time to leave this conversation because there is nothing more to say.
who said anything about "removing constitutional protection"? do you not recall the question so
frequently asked-----long ago-----"do you belong to any
organization that supports the violent overthrow of the
the USA government"--------those people who did still had
constitutional rights-------in fact the next oft repeated statement was "I refuse to answer that question on the
grounds that it might tend to incriminate me" I heard those
lines so many times as a child-------I knew them by heart long before I had ANY IDEA what they meant
It isn't the religion of Islam but rather the bloodlust culture it has spawned.
When adherents to that culture exhibit no tolerance for "the other" or even others within their own culture...
Maybe the problem you guys are having understanding this issue is the same Fox-brainrot problem that we see causing you guys trouble on so many issues... Fox only shows you Muslims in the context of terrorism, and you don't have much exposure to the real world, so you just start to think Muslim=terrorist or something... In real life, of course, Muslims are no more prone to violence than anybody else. If you meet a particular Muslim person, they're just like anybody else you would meet. Terrorists are like 0.001% of Muslims just like they're 0.001% of Christians or whatever the percentage is... The problem is your lack of exposure skewing your perception.
If Islam doesn't make people prone to violence then why do we keep seeing people who converted to Islam or joined an Islamist group get infected with sudden Jihad syndrome, and go out and slaughter complete strangers who are totally innocent? There has to be something in the ideology that makes them think they are doing the right thing. Period.
In terms of real numbers Roudy...how many is it? Is it really so many? Is it media? Are the numbers any different than those of Christian anti-goverment survivalist types who stockpile weapons and eventually go postal?
It isn't the religion of Islam but rather the bloodlust culture it has spawned.
When adherents to that culture exhibit no tolerance for "the other" or even others within their own culture...
Maybe the problem you guys are having understanding this issue is the same Fox-brainrot problem that we see causing you guys trouble on so many issues... Fox only shows you Muslims in the context of terrorism, and you don't have much exposure to the real world, so you just start to think Muslim=terrorist or something... In real life, of course, Muslims are no more prone to violence than anybody else. If you meet a particular Muslim person, they're just like anybody else you would meet. Terrorists are like 0.001% of Muslims just like they're 0.001% of Christians or whatever the percentage is... The problem is your lack of exposure skewing your perception.
If Islam doesn't make people prone to violence then why do we keep seeing people who converted to Islam or joined an Islamist group get infected with sudden Jihad syndrome, and go out and slaughter complete strangers who are totally innocent? There has to be something in the ideology that makes them think they are doing the right thing. Period.
In terms of real numbers Roudy...how many is it? Is it really so many? Is it media? Are the numbers any different than those of Christian anti-goverment survivalist types who stockpile weapons and eventually go postal?
???? I certainly do not know HOW MANY-------considering the place in the USA where I live and the places I frequent-----I am in far more danger from a TARGETED act of terrorism -------by a jihadist than a postal worker. ----but that's just me--------one of the synagogues that I did frequent----infrequently -----was targeted for the cause of allah-------I was not there at the time. All of the mail men in my neighborhood seem stable-----not entirely efficient---but stable
Well Rosie...if you actually read this thread you will see people are actually calling for removing those rigthts from American Muslims.I read the thread--------LONG AGO---when I was a kid-----I lived in a town populated by very white------persons who were generally the progeny of early settlers to the new world-----
generally WHITE ANGLO SAXON----and--dutch, german----white and Christian. Lots of them had a RELIGION-----"white/Christian"---------after a long time their
"religion" became illegal---------there "exclusive" clubs and---businesses could no longer be recognized as "legal" It is not clear to me that they "lost their constitutional rights" but lots of them seemed to think they did
Well Rosie...if you actually read this thread you will see people are actually calling for removing those rigthts from American Muslims.I read the thread--------LONG AGO---when I was a kid-----I lived in a town populated by very white------persons who were generally the progeny of early settlers to the new world-----
generally WHITE ANGLO SAXON----and--dutch, german----white and Christian. Lots of them had a RELIGION-----"white/Christian"---------after a long time their
"religion" became illegal---------there "exclusive" clubs and---businesses could no longer be recognized as "legal" It is not clear to me that they "lost their constitutional rights" but lots of them seemed to think they did
