Surge to Nowhere

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    If someone came to you six years ago and said that for only $2 trillion, you could have for your colony a burned out country, a failed state, and a semi-permanent incubator of terrorism and hatred against the US, would you have ponied up the money? That's what you've got, and that is what it cost you. Detroit could have used some of that money. New Orleans could have used some of that money. Appalachia has lots of schools that need to be painted.

    The argument could be made that Israel is safer with Saddam Hussein out of power. But that argument does not hold water. Current Iraqi leaders such as Muqtada al-Sadr and Adnan Dulaimi are not less anti-Israel than Saddam, and it turns out he did not have WMD with which to attack Israel anyway. The Shiites of Iraq will certainly side with Hizbullah against Israel, which may actually mean that Israel is less secure now than before. Moreover, to have substantial turmoil on their doorstep just cannot be good for the Israelis.

    You could argue that US petroleum corporations are now well placed to bid on Iraqi oil development. But what with doomsday cults planning a takeover of the petroleum facilities, it will be some time before it is safe for US corporations to operate in Iraq. China and Holland (Shell) are being looked upon favorably by the Iraqi government as investors.

    And anyway, if the US government had thrown the $2 trillion and more that Iraq will end up costing at green energy development, both we and the earth would have been far better off. At a time when the US military is paying 60,000 Sunni Arab Iraqis $300 a month each not to fight us, it is pretty hard to justify letting the US working class sink, without any government help, into penury and homelessness in the face of the mortgage crisis and the recession. The Iraq War may or may not be good for Houston. It is certainly bad for Iraq and for everyone else.



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/18/AR2008011802873.html
     
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    Cry me a river
     
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    I think the best thing for you to do now would be to get a gun and kill youself to end the misery... As a matter of fact it would be the best thing you could do for your country too!...

    I will personlly give $300.00 to a homeless minority in your honor once we have official word of you demise!

    Thanks for doing all you can for the needy...
     
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    3900 dead real American Patriots.

    FOR WHAT? There was less a threat when Bush attacked than there is today from the terrorists.

    Like General Butler said: War Is (Still) A Racket

    The arms manufacturers profit and our military die.

    What a crock of crap.
     
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    BUSH attacked??

    That is the only crock of crap I smell...

    ONLY Congress has that authority....

    Stop lying about the president to advance you anti american agenda...

    When American supposed veterans like you speak falsehoods about our president, you only boost moral of islamic extremists who in return kill american kids... because men like you attack your president instead of supporting our troops...

    So every time you open that hole in your brainless head remember your words are the reason many terrorists are motivated to press on and attack Americans fighting for our country...

    I would say a good portion of the blood of those Three thousand nine hundred kids is on the hands of you and the rest of liberals that do nothing more than hurt the effort...

    Someday... hopefully soon... we will round up all the treasonist AlQueda sympathizers like yourself and give you what you deserve...
     
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    It's impossible to gauge whether there's less or more of a threat. It's just a make-believe claim. The only way we can really determine that is based on this...have there been more attacks on American soil since we went to war?

    Nope.

    So there's the proof. No more attacks = safer.
     
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    Of course it is a make believe claim... Men like him are living in fantasy worlds... They lie so much they start to believe their own lies...

    Like most pets his memory is short... and he already forgot the day our friends and neighbors were jumping 80 stories from the World Trade Center because it was the least painful way to die...

    Much safer then....
     
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    Up yours sweetie. I put in my twenty + in the Corps. I didn't do it because I am anti American. What a bigoted bullshit statement. If you don't have facts, then do the personal attack.

    I don't believe I have called you anti American even if you follow lock step with Bush. Or do you want a USA that only believes what you do?

    When freedom is speech is outlawed, then the terrorists have won and so have the Americans who fear free speech.

    Even the CIA (I don't believe they are a liberal organization) said that the terrorist threat has increased since Bush lied to Congress to get his war. He did lie about WMDs etfukkingcetera. But you are still in denial.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2003272931_terrorintel24.html

    The fact that we have not had a second attack doesn't prove anything.

    Think about those attacks that have been discovered and prevented. It wasn't from the war in Iraq, it was by good intelligence and police work. That is the way we will defeat terrorism. Infiltrate and kill them from within.

    You can't beat terrorism on a frigging conventional battelfield. All you can do is kill some of the low level fighters and maybe a few leaders, and make a great recruiting tool for them.

    The problem with this approach is that it takes time and doesn't make money like a convetional war.

    Have a grape day.
     
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    No I haven't forgot that.

    Did you forget that all but one of those who attacked US were Saudi's? You know, the Saudi's who are Bush's friends. He just did the little sword dance with them. Is Ossama a Saudi or an Iraqi?

    Saddam didn't do it. Even Bush has admitted that there was no tie between 9-11 and Saddam. You need to quit listening to the Cheney's lies.

    I guess Lemmings could be pets.
     
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    Facts... ok lets deal with facts... where is the evidence bush lied...

    I'll wait... but I wont hold my breath because there is NONE... So that makes YOU the liar doesnt it...

    In your 20+ did you learn anything about propaganda used to help the enemy... I guess not.. because you supply plenty....or are you lying about that too.

    I am by no way a die hard Bushie, But I do respect the position which
    is obviously more than you can say... And to call me Anti american simply would not apply to trhe text.. I am not the one making statements that endanger our troops... that was you!

    Your words are borderline treason ... how do you think our founding fathers who wrote the declaration would of handled someone like you in the late 1700's?.... I'll tell you ... they would of rightfully killed you already!

    Once again calling the president a liar... Are you confusing him with the Clintons? Once again ... NO FACTS... do you need me to post on of the several thousand links showing the country IS safer now....




    That sentence is my favorite... What grade did you quit school?...

    Listen to what you said... "THE FACT" that we have not had a second attack "DOESNT PROVE ANYTHING"... how fucking stupid can you be... Oh thats right... when it comes to libs facts are just plain too confusing and inconveinient..

    I agree... And I also believe our inteligence on saddam before the war was good.. I believe he had wmd's... and thanks to the interferance of the UN he had plenty of time to get them thru syria and int the soviet union... Where we disagree is ....who is the enemy within?... I think it is men like you that attack the administration out of pure hatred... I do agree however with what we should do with them...

    "Build it and they will come" How many thousands AQ fighters and supporters and leaders came to Iraq to challenge us and died...?

    It is amazing that the military let you go!... You clearly have all the answers on how to conquer terrorism...
     

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