Suprised that all the talk of religion.....Islam

[WelfareQueen]

Bull.

You are equating Iran, one country and Hamas - that is nothing more than a terrorist organization as representative of all Muslims.

You are stating (if I understand it) that many millions of Muslims abhor those of any other faith and state as their goal the death and destruction of those with different beliefs - that is total bull.

You bring up the historic conquests on the one hand and then dismiss the horrors of the Christian conquests as "nor moral equivalency".

Sorry, .I totally disagree here. I'd like to see some real data, from unbiased sources, that millians of Muslims "state as their goal the death and destruction of those with different beliefs".

Okay.....

Ignore the Global Jihadist Movement. Ignore the thousands murdered around the globe since 9/11. Those in Spain....London....not to mention thousands of Coptic Christians in Egypt, Libya, Syria and Iraq.

The problem Coyote is when good people are confronted with evil and either deny it or look the other way.

Your choice....but I stand by my words.

 

[Coyote]

Bull.

You are equating Iran, one country and Hamas - that is nothing more than a terrorist organization as representative of all Muslims.

You are stating (if I understand it) that many millions of Muslims abhor those of any other faith and state as their goal the death and destruction of those with different beliefs - that is total bull.

You bring up the historic conquests on the one hand and then dismiss the horrors of the Christian conquests as "nor moral equivalency".

Sorry, .I totally disagree here. I'd like to see some real data, from unbiased sources, that millians of Muslims "state as their goal the death and destruction of those with different beliefs".

Okay.....

Ignore the Global Jihadist Movement. Ignore the thousands murdered around the globe since 9/11. Those in Spain....London....not to mention thousands of Coptic Christians in Egypt, Libya, Syria and Iraq.

The problem Coyote is when good people are confronted with evil and either deny it or look the other way.

Your choice....but I stand by my words.

It's not ignoring - it's keeping things in perspective. ISIS is evil. Islam is not.

When you talk about good people, confronted by evil...this is what I stand by

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

 

[Dajjal]

ISIS is evil. Islam is not.

I don't agree; I think Islam is fundamentally evil lies about God from a false prophet. It separates people into believers and unbelievers, and sets them at war with one another. It also says the curse of God is on unbelievers.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus does not talk to us like you do.

How many of you are there?

Is that you again, legion? Still falling off that same cliff with a herd of swine?



that's a shame.

"Us" Catholics.

You are the one who is the coward among us. Filled with glee to sling mud and denigrate other creeds, but would not dare speak for his own beliefs. Such a pity.

Every post I have ever written to you reflects my own beliefs. If you feel denigrated because I have pointed out the obvious, that what you worship as a god and eat for spiritual life is not a god and has no life to give, it is only because your conscience convicts you.

If I told you that you had a beautiful religion I would be as full of shit as whatever lowlife convinced you that you would not die if you bowed down and worshiped a lifeless wafer made by human hands as if it was a god.

You even do this after having studied and memorized the ten commandments and the story of Adam and Eve and the serpent in the garden of Eden, moses, the law, the prophets, and the gospels.

Astonishing!

If you feel stupid, you can't blame that on me.

Be a man for Christ's sake.

 

[turzovka]

Jesus does not talk to us like you do.

How many of you are there?

Is that you again, legion? Still falling off that same cliff with a herd of swine?



that's a shame.

"Us" Catholics.

You are the one who is the coward among us. Filled with glee to sling mud and denigrate other creeds, but would not dare speak for his own beliefs. Such a pity.

Every post I have ever written to you reflects my own beliefs. If you feel denigrated because I have pointed out the obvious, that what you worship as a god and eat for spiritual life is not a god and has no life to give, it is only because your conscience convicts you.

If I told you that you had a beautiful religion I would be as full of shit as whatever lowlife convinced you that you would not die if you bowed down and worshiped a lifeless wafer made by human hands as if it was a god.

You even do this after having studied and memorized the ten commandments and the story of Adam and Eve and the serpent in the garden of Eden, moses, the law, the prophets, and the gospels.

Astonishing!

If you feel stupid, you can't blame that on me.

Be a man for Christ's sake.

I do not know who you think you are impressing with your comments except yourself?

I have asked on several occasions the basic tenets of your theology or belief system and you have persistently evaded the question. Do you even have one? Are you a Jew? Orthodox? Conservative? Reformed? Other? You make oblique references to the Old Testament but only to somehow put me down, but never to express your own convictions.

When asked a direct question and that person’s repeated response is along the lines “I have told you many times before, cannot help your inability to understand...” that tells me the person is afraid or hiding something. It reminds me of those godless evolutionist types when I ask them to, for example, tell me how did a micro-organism manage to accomplish the tasks of obtaining eye sight, hearing, feathers and wings when once there were none --- and they respond “you do not have the slightest idea of the evolution process, read a book…”again, it tells me they cannot answer the question themselves but would not dare look vulnerable.

It’s both humorous and sad. You remind me of that.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus does not talk to us like you do.

How many of you are there?

Is that you again, legion? Still falling off that same cliff with a herd of swine?



that's a shame.

"Us" Catholics.

You are the one who is the coward among us. Filled with glee to sling mud and denigrate other creeds, but would not dare speak for his own beliefs. Such a pity.

Every post I have ever written to you reflects my own beliefs. If you feel denigrated because I have pointed out the obvious, that what you worship as a god and eat for spiritual life is not a god and has no life to give, it is only because your conscience convicts you.

If I told you that you had a beautiful religion I would be as full of shit as whatever lowlife convinced you that you would not die if you bowed down and worshiped a lifeless wafer made by human hands as if it was a god.

You even do this after having studied and memorized the ten commandments and the story of Adam and Eve and the serpent in the garden of Eden, moses, the law, the prophets, and the gospels.

Astonishing!

If you feel stupid, you can't blame that on me.

Be a man for Christ's sake.

I do not know who you think you are impressing with your comments except yourself?

I have asked on several occasions the basic tenets of your theology or belief system and you have persistently evaded the question. Do you even have one? Are you a Jew? Orthodox? Conservative? Reformed? Other? You make oblique references to the Old Testament but only to somehow put me down, but never to express your own convictions.

When asked a direct question and that person’s repeated response is along the lines “I have told you many times before, cannot help your inability to understand...” that tells me the person is afraid or hiding something. It reminds me of those godless evolutionist types when I ask them to, for example, tell me how did a micro-organism manage to accomplish the tasks of obtaining eye sight, hearing, feathers and wings when once there were none --- and they respond “you do not have the slightest idea of the evolution process, read a book…”again, it tells me they cannot answer the question themselves but would not dare look vulnerable.

It’s both humorous and sad. You remind me of that.

Ugh. As I have old you before, I do not belong to or practice any religion and I am not Jewish except by a small genetic percentage.

And again, you are wrong. I do not cite OT or any scriptural references to put you down, criticize or condemn you but to alert you to your many critical errors in thought and belief that have placed you in the very state of condemnation that you hope to avoid by doing the exact opposite of what scripture teaches results in life. I'm just being neighborly. If you feel put down it is because your own conscience condemns you, not me. I am revealing to you the only way out of the grave that you have settled into and have made your home.

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

In the very day that you first got down on your knees in deranged adoration before a lifeless wafer made by human hands as if it was a god, you died and descended into the netherworld, the realm of the dead, where you have been tormented day and night ever since, even if it was decades ago, by the confusion of belief in things that never actually happened and expectations of things that shall never occur which perverts your perceptions and prevents you from comprehending what is actually taking place.

The more you obstinately adhere to the practices that your church teaches results in eternal life but scripture teaches results in destruction the further you will continue to degenerate and recede from the object of your professed intentions.

One day you will be grateful that I have disturbed your slumber.

 

[turzovka]

Ugh. As I have old you before, I do not belong to or practice any religion and I am not Jewish except by a small genetic percentage.

And again, you are wrong. I do not cite OT or any scriptural references to put you down, criticize or condemn you but to alert you to your many critical errors in thought and belief that have placed you in the very state of condemnation that you hope to avoid by doing the exact opposite of what scripture teaches results in life.

Is this all the progress I could have hoped for? Well it’s a start at least so I should thank you for that.

Question: If you do not practice or have any religion then why do you even reference the OT to build a case against me? Why do you consider the OT some authority?

Question: Why does my reverence of the Holy Eucharist stir such revilement or emotions in you --- over and above any other Christian belief from Scripture? You said you have no religion, yet this one particular you think so much worse than all the other stuff you do not accept as well? It makes no sense to me.

Question: Do you believe in God? Is it the God of Abraham? Or do you maintain none of us can know any of that with any certainty?

Question: If you believe in God, do you think He has revealed precious little to His creation so we are on our own to do and think as we please? Again, that would make no sense to me.

Question: Do you believe in the devil? In hell? In eternity? Or do you admit to not knowing near enough to be certain? And if you have no idea, that is good enough for you, let the chips fall as they may?

Finally: If you do have a laissez faire attitude toward religion, why so occupied with your time making sure others are criticized for theirs? (Especially when you basically are saying you have no idea what the truth is yourself.)

 

[hobelim]

Ugh. As I have old you before, I do not belong to or practice any religion and I am not Jewish except by a small genetic percentage.

And again, you are wrong. I do not cite OT or any scriptural references to put you down, criticize or condemn you but to alert you to your many critical errors in thought and belief that have placed you in the very state of condemnation that you hope to avoid by doing the exact opposite of what scripture teaches results in life.

Is this all the progress I could have hoped for? Well it’s a start at least so I should thank you for that.

Question: If you do not practice or have any religion then why do you even reference the OT to build a case against me? Why do you consider the OT some authority?

Question: Why does my reverence of the Holy Eucharist stir such revilement or emotions in you --- over and above any other Christian belief from Scripture? You said you have no religion, yet this one particular you think so much worse than all the other stuff you do not accept as well? It makes no sense to me.

Question: Do you believe in God? Is it the God of Abraham? Or do you maintain none of us can know any of that with any certainty?

Question: If you believe in God, do you think He has revealed precious little to His creation so we are on our own to do and think as we please? Again, that would make no sense to me.

Question: Do you believe in the devil? In hell? In eternity? Or do you admit to not knowing near enough to be certain? And if you have no idea, that is good enough for you, let the chips fall as they may?

Finally: If you do have a laissez faire attitude toward religion, why so occupied with your time making sure others are criticized for theirs? (Especially when you basically are saying you have no idea what the truth is yourself.)

Of course I would be happy to answer any and all of your questions. However, before you would be able to retain and comprehend the information you would first have to remove that which causes your mind to stumble in thought and perception. Otherwise answering you would be a waste of my and your own precious time and you would only end up with a headache and so would I if you asked what my religion was another time.

I can only point it out, I can't do it for you. You have to make a deliberate decision to renounce all that is false and exert the will to live a life founded on truth that conforms to and is confirmed by reality.

Rising from the dead is as easy or as difficult as it is for a person to be honest with themselves and others. So far things don't look very promising for you. You seem to lack the fundamental discipline of humility essential for a holy life.



Let me point you in the right direction....


Is it or is it not a violation of divine law to worship anything made by human hands or anything that is not God?

Would the messiah ever instruct anyone to violate the first commandment in order to receive eternal life?


Take your time as if your very life depended on getting the answer right.

It does.

 

[irosie91]

Surprised that all the talk of religion and yet no one is talking of the ISIS hanging or executing boys for eating during the day.
The abuse of Islam is not discussed but you all want to attack gay and christians that don't have identical think.
You are so consumed with what is and is not a sin but you don't even blink at brutality in the name of god being carried out more than five feet beyond your front door?
You gripe about xmas trees and birth control but not about massacres?
Corruption and distortion of the second larges faith is not relevant? You would rather bicker about Jesus did and did not actually say or carry on infighting between different christian denominations. This is constructive?

Wrong.

The self-proclaimed 'Islamic state' is not 'representative' of Islam, it is not sanctioned by Islam, its acts are that of terror, not religion.

Who made you the spokeman for
THE UMMAH? were you elected or
was your status revealed to you in a
dream? or did JIBRIL come flying
in your window? Can you cite some
actions by ISIS that you believe that
Muhummad would reject based on
evidence in the Koran?

 

[irosie91]

If I am not, the last 100 years are.

If they had wanted to - it would have been destroyed long ago.

I take it you do not live in Tel Aviv.
Or maybe get all your news and history from "special sources" only.

No. I do not get all my news and history from "special sources". Do you?

Well let's start with history. Islam and its sword were only stopped by Christians battling them from going far further into Europe from the 7th century on until the 16th century. They already had conquered all of the Middle East, North Africa and Asia Minor. Clearly their mission is to conquer the world by force.

Israel in particular has had to fight 5 wars and countless attacks since the day it became a nation -- by themselves. What do you think these Arab nations would have done if they won any of those wars? What's changed?

There's a lot left out of your "history" including Christianity and it's sword that was conquering territory as well - and not behaving very nicely. Clearly it's mission is to conquer the world by force, to use your words.

'
yes----Christianity was a totalitarian utopian imperialistic ideology for many centuries. It no longer is. Islam was, at its inception, a totalitarian utopian imperialistic ideology and
remained so thruout the past 1400 years----currently the imperialist aspect has BECOME ROBUST and a very significant force thruout the people who identify as muslims.
As to the apparent "barbarity" of Isis----it is nothing new------just as INQUISITION SPAIN was barbaric---and --SAUDI ARABIA is barbaric-----it happens to be true that shariah is VERY BARBARIC. Isis is doing the same shariah that has been done by muslims for more than 1000 years ----more or less. Some people lie to be optimistic and focus on the times when it was done "less"

 

[turzovka]

Ugh. As I have old you before, I do not belong to or practice any religion and I am not Jewish except by a small genetic percentage.

And again, you are wrong. I do not cite OT or any scriptural references to put you down, criticize or condemn you but to alert you to your many critical errors in thought and belief that have placed you in the very state of condemnation that you hope to avoid by doing the exact opposite of what scripture teaches results in life.

Is this all the progress I could have hoped for? Well it’s a start at least so I should thank you for that.

Question: If you do not practice or have any religion then why do you even reference the OT to build a case against me? Why do you consider the OT some authority?

Question: Why does my reverence of the Holy Eucharist stir such revilement or emotions in you --- over and above any other Christian belief from Scripture? You said you have no religion, yet this one particular you think so much worse than all the other stuff you do not accept as well? It makes no sense to me.

Question: Do you believe in God? Is it the God of Abraham? Or do you maintain none of us can know any of that with any certainty?

Question: If you believe in God, do you think He has revealed precious little to His creation so we are on our own to do and think as we please? Again, that would make no sense to me.

Question: Do you believe in the devil? In hell? In eternity? Or do you admit to not knowing near enough to be certain? And if you have no idea, that is good enough for you, let the chips fall as they may?

Finally: If you do have a laissez faire attitude toward religion, why so occupied with your time making sure others are criticized for theirs? (Especially when you basically are saying you have no idea what the truth is yourself.)

Of course I would be happy to answer any and all of your questions. However, before you would be able to retain and comprehend the information you would first have to remove that which causes your mind to stumble in thought and perception. Otherwise answering you would be a waste of my and your own precious time and you would only end up with a headache and so would I if you asked what my religion was another time.

I can only point it out, I can't do it for you. You have to make a deliberate decision to renounce all that is false and exert the will to live a life founded on truth that conforms to and is confirmed by reality.

Rising from the dead is as easy or as difficult as it is for a person to be honest with themselves and others. So far things don't look very promising for you. You seem to lack the fundamental discipline of humility essential for a holy life.



Let me point you in the right direction....


Is it or is it not a violation of divine law to worship anything made by human hands or anything that is not God?

Would the messiah ever instruct anyone to violate the first commandment in order to receive eternal life?


Take your time as if your very life depended on getting the answer right.

It does.

Yawn.

Boy, are you a coward IMO.

Why do we have these boards? Just to attack others' beliefs but hide our own? How noble.

 

[hobelim]

Yawn.

Boy, are you a coward IMO.

Why do we have these boards? Just to attack others' beliefs but hide our own? How noble.

Your complete inability to grasp or even acknowledge my openly proclaimed beliefs only serves to confirm them.

Talk about a coward. Damn.

But thanks for helping me to clearly show the wisdom of God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of serpents and any unclean creature that does not ruminate and for so perfectly demonstrating the deeply disturbing consequence for disobedience.

Because of your generous display of the addled contents of your defiled and contaminated brain, many will come to believe in the reality of divine condemnation and strive to live better lives.


well done!

 

[turzovka]

Yawn.

Boy, are you a coward IMO.

Why do we have these boards? Just to attack others' beliefs but hide our own? How noble.

Your complete inability to grasp or even acknowledge my openly proclaimed beliefs only serves to confirm them.

Talk about a coward. Damn.

But thanks for helping me to clearly show the wisdom of God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of serpents and any unclean creature that does not ruminate and for so perfectly demonstrating the deeply disturbing consequence for disobedience.

Because of your generous display of the addled contents of your defiled and contaminated brain, many will come to believe in the reality of divine condemnation and strive to live better lives.


well done!

In other words --- you are still a coward.

Afraid to answer simple questions about faith issues. Instead, try to confuse anyone bothering to read this with sublime cryptic "high minded" crud.