Suppose the Republicans win?

[katzeundratze00]

Let's suppose that G-d intervenes, and the Republican candidate wins. And absolutely nothing changes. Then what?

 

[syrenn]

They get the same slamming.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

That does look to be a real threat with Romney and Gringrich.

Elections are supposed to matter policy wise. This election seems to be obama or obama light

 

[Wry Catcher]

Nothing changes? If the Republicans win, and gain in both the House and Senate there will be changes - radical changes.

Have you listened to the four candidates for the R nomination?

Santorum wants to attack Iran, no discussion on the consequences of such an act and he would take us back to the 10th Century;

Romney wants to repeal Obamacare, no discussion on why reform was necessary or what will replace Obamacare - the classic empty suit;

Paul wants to take us back to 1830 and put into effect the ideas of Calhoun;

And, Gingrich promises $2.50 a gallon gas, a balanced budget and a free ride to Mars.

Four demagogues, three reactionaries, two charlatans and one will be the nominee of the GOP. The Best and the Brightest of the GOP. Pitiful.

 

[whitehall]

The thing I'm most afraid of if republicans win is the radical left wing of the democrat party and their socialist comrades. Van Jones already has the OWS primed for anarchy and you have experienced terrorist general Bill Ayers waiting on the sidelines. When you combine the incredible hatred on the left with the disappointment of losing the election all they need is a spark.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Nothing too drastic; we'll just deport all the Progressives and solve all our problems in one move

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Nothing changes? If the Republicans win, and gain in both the House and Senate there will be changes - radical changes.

Have you listened to the four candidates for the R nomination?

Santorum wants to attack Iran, no discussion on the consequences of such an act and he would take us back to the 10th Century;

Romney wants to repeal Obamacare, no discussion on why reform was necessary or what will replace Obamacare - the classic empty suit;

Paul wants to take us back to 1830 and put into effect the ideas of Calhoun;

And, Gingrich promises $2.50 a gallon gas, a balanced budget and a free ride to Mars.

Four demagogues, three reactionaries, two charlatans and one will be the nominee of the GOP. The Best and the Brightest of the GOP. Pitiful.

We are in a very radical and incongruous position right now.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Nothing changes? If the Republicans win, and gain in both the House and Senate there will be changes - radical changes.

See: 2001 thru 2008

'Nuff said.....​

 

[Douger]

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[Wry Catcher]

Cool posts by whitehall and crusaderfrank. Both seem to want a single party system - like the Communists and the Fascist established - and both support banishment of anyone who disagrees with them and their ideology.

I'm not sure that's what the Founders had in mind when signing the Declaration of Independence and later the Constitution of the United States.

 

[syrenn]

Here is what i find amusing about the op.

Suppose the right wins. Of course the left will moan and whine about how terrible things are. If "nothing" has changed...does this mean that obama was a failure since they are whining about shit that has "not changed"

 

[Wry Catcher]

Nothing changes? If the Republicans win, and gain in both the House and Senate there will be changes - radical changes.

Have you listened to the four candidates for the R nomination?

Santorum wants to attack Iran, no discussion on the consequences of such an act and he would take us back to the 10th Century;

Romney wants to repeal Obamacare, no discussion on why reform was necessary or what will replace Obamacare - the classic empty suit;

Paul wants to take us back to 1830 and put into effect the ideas of Calhoun;

And, Gingrich promises $2.50 a gallon gas, a balanced budget and a free ride to Mars.

Four demagogues, three reactionaries, two charlatans and one will be the nominee of the GOP. The Best and the Brightest of the GOP. Pitiful.

We are in a very radical and incongruous position right now.

No we are not. We are engaged in a war to test if this nation, or any nation conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal can long endure.

Isn't it fitting that Obama is the President taking up the mantel for Lincoln.

 

[candycorn]

Let's suppose that G-d intervenes, and the Republican candidate wins. And absolutely nothing changes. Then what?

One should understand that the government itself is broken regardless of which political animal you back; the structure isn't built to survive willful stupidity exhibited by both sides of the political aisle.

The system was based on faith. I am dubious of those who swear they know what the founding fathers thought. For one fact, there were dozens of them. For another fact, the set of "fathers" is nebulous. For a third fact, their public lives and their private thoughts, like most men, likely were and for sure are today different animals. Honest brokers would agree that Bill Clinton is the best pure politician to grace the national stage of the last 20-30 years. That he had an affair with Lewinsky and disgraced the office should serve as a constant reminder that the public lives and private shortcomings are two different things.

Anyway, one thing that I think we could agree on from examining those who were around in the creation of the current government is that they were united in duty and deed. Hence the signatures on the DOI which would have been signing their own burn notice. There were no safehouses; all 13 colonies were in. The government needed to work or they would all die.

Today, as the last remaining superpower, our leaders and those who elect them have no such Sword of Damocles so they forego any acceptance of hard truths in favor of platitudes of sheer lunacy. If you believed Candidate Obama's promises in 08, you thought that the government could spend nearly a trillion dollars and you'll get a tax cut. Bush fought 2 wars (one of choice) and expanded medicare without raising taxes.

Theres plenty of hypocrisy to go around.

Today, the parties control the process and they are more interested in holding onto and consolidating their own power than yours or my plight. I've been called a Democrat, a Liberal, and likely a communist. These labels are placed on me despite my sheer hatred of Senator Reid--the politician; not the person. What he has done should not be allowed; period. I don't care how many GOP majority leaders did the same thing. It sucks from every angle, regardless of political leanings, ideology, etc...

So if a Repbublican or a Democrat or a Libertarian, or Tom Hanks is elected President, it won't matter much at all as far as the fiscal government is concerned. We're screwed and we'll be screwed until the American People wake up and demand reform of the Congress. Including common sense measures such as this:

Majority rules in Senate. No Super Majority needed to move business along. Right now you need 60 votes for cloture and suspension of the filibuster.

Each house has 60 days to have a committee vote on bills passed by the other house. No more not-scheduling votes. If your party doesn't like it; work it out in joint conferences.

I could get with a balanced budget amendment as long as it's tied to the GDP. Having a balanced budget does very little if taxes can be raised to balance it.

I believe that the Presidency does matter from the stand point of setting national priorities; it is crucial. However, we are rapidly becoming a country that can't do anything because of the federal deficit and constant battles over just keeping the lights on. The lack of traction is tied to the parties and until the constitution is perfected and party influence is removed, we may as well forget about any meaningful improvements of American world standing.

Some here applaud such intraction. I pity them. They are often the same ones who love to talk about American greatness. We didn't become the greatest civilization ever by staying in harbor. We should be the leaders.

 

[Erand7899]

No we are not. We are engaged in a war to test if this nation, or any nation conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal can long endure.


Who are you at war with? How will you know when you have won or lost? I seriously doubt that any of you liberal/socialists know what liberty actually means. You use and abuse it, but you don't have any real appreciation or respect for it.

 

[Full-Auto]

Nothing changes? If the Republicans win, and gain in both the House and Senate there will be changes - radical changes.

See: 2001 thru 2008

'Nuff said.....​

Hey kneepad

Add the congress you chicken shit.

 

[KevinWestern]

Who are you at war with? How will you know when you have won or lost? I seriously doubt that any of you liberal/socialists know what liberty actually means. You use and abuse it, but you don't have any real appreciation or respect for it.

I seriously doubt that many conservatives/Republicans know what 'liberty' actually means either. The GOP we know today supports and perpetuates just as many "big government" initiatives as the Democrats - like the recent NDAA 2012 act (bipartisian support), or using the government to define marriage (you all must be good little christians!), or using the government to police abortions, or using the government to spy on its citizens, just to name a few.

There's really no true "small government" party anymore, and I suggest that while you go off on "liberals" not knowing what liberty means you also include those who support the current GOP as well.

 

[Full-Auto]

Who are you at war with? How will you know when you have won or lost? I seriously doubt that any of you liberal/socialists know what liberty actually means. You use and abuse it, but you don't have any real appreciation or respect for it.

I seriously doubt that many conservatives/Republicans know what 'liberty' actually means either. Most Republicans support "big government" initiatives, like the recent NDAA 2012 act, using the government to define marriage, using the government to police abortions, using the government to spy on its citizens, ect, ect.

There's really no true "small government" party anymore, and I suggest that while you go off on "liberals" not knowing what liberty means, you also include those on the right in that group as well.

Fair points!!!

Reps your way.

 

[Erand7899]

Majority rules in Senate. No Super Majority needed to move business along. Right now you need 60 votes for cloture and suspension of the filibuster.

Each house has 60 days to have a committee vote on bills passed by the other house. No more not-scheduling votes. If your party doesn't like it; work it out in joint conferences.

I could get with a balanced budget amendment as long as it's tied to the GDP. Having a balanced budget does very little if taxes can be raised to balance it.


The super majority in the Senate is a definite and necessary concept in our form of government. It was designed to stop the majority from stomping over the minority, unless they had a cause strong enough to gain bipartisan support. Just because it hinders your efforts to subvert this nation and convert it into another socialist utopia, is no reason to discard it.

You should first consider that this nation survived for over two hundred years, without the new laws that you think are so important. If we had a little more discipline from our politicians, we would not have thousands of federal laws and regulations, scattered through thousands of pieces of legislation. So many in fact, that the government cannot even keep track of them. We need more filibusters, not less.

I can agree with you on the failure of party leaders to bring up proposed legislation for action. However, the body has the power to force his/her action, if the need is seen by both parties. Once again, we get back to bipartisanship. Maybe Obama made a mistake when he told Republicans that it was his way or the highway. They have shown him that he cannot do it on his own, or even with the support of his own party.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Nothing changes? If the Republicans win, and gain in both the House and Senate there will be changes - radical changes.

Have you listened to the four candidates for the R nomination?

Santorum wants to attack Iran, no discussion on the consequences of such an act and he would take us back to the 10th Century;

Romney wants to repeal Obamacare, no discussion on why reform was necessary or what will replace Obamacare - the classic empty suit;

Paul wants to take us back to 1830 and put into effect the ideas of Calhoun;

And, Gingrich promises $2.50 a gallon gas, a balanced budget and a free ride to Mars.

Four demagogues, three reactionaries, two charlatans and one will be the nominee of the GOP. The Best and the Brightest of the GOP. Pitiful.

We are in a very radical and incongruous position right now.

No we are not. We are engaged in a war to test if this nation, or any nation conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal can long endure.

Isn't it fitting that Obama is the President taking up the mantel for Lincoln.

Lincoln tried to unite a country. O has divided through his insistent class warfare drumbeat. Although O shelters himself from race, his surrogates cruise headlong into flinging every racist card imaginable.

 

[auditor0007]

The thing I'm most afraid of if republicans win is the radical left wing of the democrat party and their socialist comrades. Van Jones already has the OWS primed for anarchy and you have experienced terrorist general Bill Ayers waiting on the sidelines. When you combine the incredible hatred on the left with the disappointment of losing the election all they need is a spark.

Lame!