Support the troops

[RetiredGySgt]

what about that list is false?

The implication of why and how pervasive each is, that is what is faulty. I could make a similiar list of Liberal scum bags and then pass it off as the true face of all Liberals. And then YOU would be whining like a stuck pig.

 

[maineman]

The implication of why and how pervasive each is, that is what is faulty. I could make a similiar list of Liberal scum bags and then pass it off as the true face of all Liberals. And then YOU would be whining like a stuck pig.

I see a list of problems. I see no attempt to imply any degree of pervasiveness...

you remind me of my wife, gunny.... you put words in people's mouth and then you attack them for saying them.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I see a list of problems. I see no attempt to imply any degree of pervasiveness...

you remind me of my wife, gunny.... you put words in people's mouth and then you attack them for saying them.

Sure thing, this from the reasoned and moderate voice of Maineman.

 

[Truthmatters]

Great misinformation. Usual tactics of the uninformed or serial liar.

are you really stating that there are no multiple tours

Stop loss

sending injured vets back

Lack of armour

lack of equipment

VA hospitals in disrepair

extended tours

waiting months for care


Do you guys not read the news?

 

[maineman]

Sure thing, this from the reasoned and moderate voice of Maineman.

is that all you got? I see a list...show me these IMPLICATIONS. Crissakes.... what the fuck did they teach you in the corps?

 

[Truthmatters]

Hes got nothing

 

[Truthmatters]

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/05/military_payhike_whitehouse_070516/

Bush nixes pay raise for troops

 

[Superlative]

Hmm.. I think I'll make a special trip to my local VA hospital just for you, and take pictures. The grounds are immaculate.. The building is immaculate.. Seems we do take care of our own afterall..

You went to Iraq?

 

[Shattered]

You went to Iraq?

Our own veterans.

You know.. The VA hospitals Truth insists are in such a complete state of utter destruction? Twas part of his list. Follow along.

 

[Superlative]

CHENEY:

As always in America's armed forces, the single most important asset we have is the man or woman who steps forward and puts on the uniform of this great nation. Much has been asked of our military this past year, and more will be asked in the months and the years ahead. Those who serve are entitled to expect many things from us in return. They deserve the very best weapons, the best equipment, the best support, and the best training we can possibly provide them. And under President Bush they will have them all.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/20020826.html



Whoops. I guess what he should have said was,(when it comes to body armor) you either wont get any, if you do, it wont be good enough, or you will just have to buy your own.

Thanks guys.

Good Work, (pat on the bum.)



http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-26-body-armor_x.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101061,00.html

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june06/armor_1-11.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9524109

 

[Superlative]

Our own veterans.

You know.. The VA hospitals Truth insists are in such a complete state of utter destruction? Twas part of his list. Follow along.

My apologies.

But what about the Hospitals in Iraq?

Do you vouch for their beautifulness?

 

[maineman]

what about army hospitals here at home? Walter Reed?

 

[Shattered]

My apologies.

But what about the Hospitals in Iraq?

Do you vouch for their beautifulness?

I can no more vouch for the condition of hospitals in Iraq than you can. The best place to start cleaning up a mess is at home on your own doorstep. If everyone did that, we wouldn't have half the problems we do.

 

[Truthmatters]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/17/AR2007021701172.html

 

[Superlative]

I can no more vouch for the condition of hospitals in Iraq than you can. The best place to start cleaning up a mess is at home on your own doorstep. If everyone did that, we wouldn't have half the problems we do.

I concur.

If it were only possible to cut through the partisan bulloney to get it done.

If you ask RSR, all we have to do is shoot the homeless, and the Liberals, into space and the world would be perfect.

 

[Shattered]

I concur.

If it were only possible to cut through the partisan bulloney to get it done.

If you ask RSR, all we have to do is shoot the homeless, and the Liberals, into space and the world would be perfect.

I suggested burning certain homeless for fuel.. I think Wiggles took offense to that for some reason...

There are a *few* libs we could do without, too.. Most of them can be ok, tho.

 

[Truthmatters]

Soldiers Face Neglect, Frustration At Army's Top Medical Facility

By Dana Priest and Anne Hull
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, February 18, 2007; Page A01

Behind the door of Army Spec. Jeremy Duncan's room, part of the wall is torn and hangs in the air, weighted down with black mold. When the wounded combat engineer stands in his shower and looks up, he can see the bathtub on the floor above through a rotted hole. The entire building, constructed between the world wars, often smells like greasy carry-out. Signs of neglect are everywhere: mouse droppings, belly-up cockroaches, stained carpets, cheap mattresses.

This is the world of Building 18, not the kind of place where Duncan expected to recover when he was evacuated to Walter Reed Army Medical Center from Iraq last February with a broken neck and a shredded left ear, nearly dead from blood loss. But the old lodge, just outside the gates of the hospital and five miles up the road from the White House, has housed hundreds of maimed soldiers recuperating from injuries suffered in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Five and a half years of sustained combat have transformed the venerable 113-acre Walter Reed Army Medical Center into a holding ground for physically and psychologically damaged outpatients.


The common perception of Walter Reed is of a surgical hospital that shines as the crown jewel of military medicine. But 5 1/2 years of sustained combat have transformed the venerable 113-acre institution into something else entirely -- a holding ground for physically and psychologically damaged outpatients. Almost 700 of them -- the majority soldiers, with some Marines -- have been released from hospital beds but still need treatment or are awaiting bureaucratic decisions before being discharged or returned to active duty.

They suffer from brain injuries, severed arms and legs, organ and back damage, and various degrees of post-traumatic stress. Their legions have grown so exponentially -- they outnumber hospital patients at Walter Reed 17 to 1 -- that they take up every available bed on post and spill into dozens of nearby hotels and apartments leased by the Army. The average stay is 10 months, but some have been stuck there for as long as two years.

Not all of the quarters are as bleak as Duncan's, but the despair of Building 18 symbolizes a larger problem in Walter Reed's treatment of the wounded, according to dozens of soldiers, family members, veterans aid groups, and current and former Walter Reed staff members interviewed by two Washington Post reporters, who spent more than four months visiting the outpatient world without the knowledge or permission of Walter Reed officials. Many agreed to be quoted by name; others said they feared Army retribution if they complained publicly.

While the hospital is a place of scrubbed-down order and daily miracles, with medical advances saving more soldiers than ever, the outpatients in the Other Walter Reed encounter a messy bureaucratic battlefield nearly as chaotic as the real battlefields they faced overseas.

 

[Shattered]

Soldiers Face Neglect, Frustration At Army's Top Medical Facility

By Dana Priest and Anne Hull
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, February 18, 2007; Page A01

Behind the door of Army Spec. Jeremy Duncan's room, part of the wall is torn and hangs in the air, weighted down with black mold. When the wounded combat engineer stands in his shower and looks up, he can see the bathtub on the floor above through a rotted hole. The entire building, constructed between the world wars, often smells like greasy carry-out. Signs of neglect are everywhere: mouse droppings, belly-up cockroaches, stained carpets, cheap mattresses.

This is the world of Building 18, not the kind of place where Duncan expected to recover when he was evacuated to Walter Reed Army Medical Center from Iraq last February with a broken neck and a shredded left ear, nearly dead from blood loss. But the old lodge, just outside the gates of the hospital and five miles up the road from the White House, has housed hundreds of maimed soldiers recuperating from injuries suffered in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Five and a half years of sustained combat have transformed the venerable 113-acre Walter Reed Army Medical Center into a holding ground for physically and psychologically damaged outpatients.


The common perception of Walter Reed is of a surgical hospital that shines as the crown jewel of military medicine. But 5 1/2 years of sustained combat have transformed the venerable 113-acre institution into something else entirely -- a holding ground for physically and psychologically damaged outpatients. Almost 700 of them -- the majority soldiers, with some Marines -- have been released from hospital beds but still need treatment or are awaiting bureaucratic decisions before being discharged or returned to active duty.

They suffer from brain injuries, severed arms and legs, organ and back damage, and various degrees of post-traumatic stress. Their legions have grown so exponentially -- they outnumber hospital patients at Walter Reed 17 to 1 -- that they take up every available bed on post and spill into dozens of nearby hotels and apartments leased by the Army. The average stay is 10 months, but some have been stuck there for as long as two years.

Not all of the quarters are as bleak as Duncan's, but the despair of Building 18 symbolizes a larger problem in Walter Reed's treatment of the wounded, according to dozens of soldiers, family members, veterans aid groups, and current and former Walter Reed staff members interviewed by two Washington Post reporters, who spent more than four months visiting the outpatient world without the knowledge or permission of Walter Reed officials. Many agreed to be quoted by name; others said they feared Army retribution if they complained publicly.

While the hospital is a place of scrubbed-down order and daily miracles, with medical advances saving more soldiers than ever, the outpatients in the Other Walter Reed encounter a messy bureaucratic battlefield nearly as chaotic as the real battlefields they faced overseas.

Try posting just a paragraph or two, and then linking to the remaining *5* pages. Or, just stick with the original link you posted earlier in this thread, rather than spamming just to get your point across.

 

[Annie]

Let's look at this a tad...

Soldiers Face Neglect, Frustration At Army's Top Medical Facility

By Dana Priest and Anne Hull
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, February 18, 2007; Page A01

Behind the door of Army Spec. Jeremy Duncan's room, part of the wall is torn and hangs in the air, weighted down with black mold. When the wounded combat engineer stands in his shower and looks up, he can see the bathtub on the floor above through a rotted hole. The entire building, constructed between the world wars, often smells like greasy carry-out. Signs of neglect are everywhere: mouse droppings, belly-up cockroaches, stained carpets, cheap mattresses.

This is the world of Building 18, not the kind of place where Duncan expected to recover when he was evacuated to Walter Reed Army Medical Center from Iraq last February with a broken neck and a shredded left ear, nearly dead from blood loss. But the old lodge, just outside the gates of the hospital and five miles up the road from the White House, has housed hundreds of maimed soldiers recuperating from injuries suffered in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So exactly what was it that Duncan expected, "when he was evacuated to Walter Reed Army Medical Center from Iraq last February with a broken neck and a shredded left ear, nearly dead from blood loss." ?

Five and a half years of sustained combat have transformed the venerable 113-acre Walter Reed Army Medical Center into a holding ground for physically and psychologically damaged outpatients.

So it was Afghanistan and Iraq that have cause this one area of Walter Reed to physically and psychologically damage patients? This one area should be responsible for closing that hospital?

The common perception of Walter Reed is of a surgical hospital that shines as the crown jewel of military medicine. But 5 1/2 years of sustained combat have transformed the venerable 113-acre institution into something else entirely -- a holding ground for physically and psychologically damaged outpatients. Almost 700 of them -- the majority soldiers, with some Marines -- have been released from hospital beds but still need treatment or are awaiting bureaucratic decisions before being discharged or returned to active duty.

They suffer from brain injuries, severed arms and legs, organ and back damage, and various degrees of post-traumatic stress. Their legions have grown so exponentially -- they outnumber hospital patients at Walter Reed 17 to 1 -- that they take up every available bed on post and spill into dozens of nearby hotels and apartments leased by the Army. The average stay is 10 months, but some have been stuck there for as long as two years.

Thank you, proof that it was the 2 'wars' in the past nearly 6 years that have caused these problems. If the wars hadn't occurred or maybe if one of them hadn't, the problem area would have been dealt with. Right, got it.

Not all of the quarters are as bleak as Duncan's, but the despair of Building 18 symbolizes a larger problem in Walter Reed's treatment of the wounded, according to dozens of soldiers, family members, veterans aid groups, and current and former Walter Reed staff members interviewed by two Washington Post reporters, who spent more than four months visiting the outpatient world without the knowledge or permission of Walter Reed officials. Many agreed to be quoted by name; others said they feared Army retribution if they complained publicly.

While the hospital is a place of scrubbed-down order and daily miracles, with medical advances saving more soldiers than ever, the outpatients in the Other Walter Reed encounter a messy bureaucratic battlefield nearly as chaotic as the real battlefields they faced overseas.

So the problem is with OUTPATIENTS? Is that it? What about poor Duncan?

 

[Truthmatters]

Where were the increased funds to deal with this influx of casualties?