Suggestion to Make US the Undisputed Economic Kings Again!

I got a better idea...hang the bastards to who allow and facilitate this crap.

I'm dead serious about that, too. I mean hang the fuckers.

Every one of them is a whore selling out our nation for a pittance.
I'm with ed on this one.

But the Federal Reserve still exists, and Ben Bernanke still is in power with Obama seeming uninterested in dealing with the root of the problem.
 
You do realize your two possitive role models you gave have tanked worse than we have?

Your a socialist correct? Your positive role models aren't doing that well. USSR = died. Communist China, only start to become a player when they opened up to free market and private ownership mentality. North Korea = only a positive role model if you like starving. Hugo Fat Ass's Venezuela, tell fat ass that when cars run on something besides oil, will happen within the next 5-10 years, but either way between now and the next decade oil consumption world-wide will gradually decrease, that Venezuela will go back to being an irrelevant 3rd world country!

Name me a country at the moment that isn't tanking? Should no one try to copy Japan's push for technological superiority approach since they are hurting big time and just did their own version of a bail out and stimulus package? What about England, China, Canada or Singapore? People tell me that!

And yes I will stick by Dubai and Ireland as good examples of how low corporate and other taxes attract Corporations to a country, since both are good examples of that!

Low taxation by itself isn't going to be the miracle, otherwise I would have stopped after the 2nd suggestion.


Lying again?


when did I ever say I was a socialist?


You again are lyin just like you lied about my PM which I proved.

Lying doesnt make you smart or right ,it just makes you a lying taintwallow.
 
You do realize your two possitive role models you gave have tanked worse than we have?

Your a socialist correct? Your positive role models aren't doing that well. USSR = died. Communist China, only start to become a player when they opened up to free market and private ownership mentality. North Korea = only a positive role model if you like starving. Hugo Fat Ass's Venezuela, tell fat ass that when cars run on something besides oil, will happen within the next 5-10 years, but either way between now and the next decade oil consumption world-wide will gradually decrease, that Venezuela will go back to being an irrelevant 3rd world country!

Name me a country at the moment that isn't tanking? Should no one try to copy Japan's push for technological superiority approach since they are hurting big time and just did their own version of a bail out and stimulus package? What about England, China, Canada or Singapore? People tell me that!

And yes I will stick by Dubai and Ireland as good examples of how low corporate and other taxes attract Corporations to a country, since both are good examples of that!

Low taxation by itself isn't going to be the miracle, otherwise I would have stopped after the 2nd suggestion.


Lying again?


when did I ever say I was a socialist?


You again are lyin just like you lied about my PM which I proved.

Lying doesnt make you smart or right ,it just makes you a lying taintwallow.
:oops: Sorry I just assumed from reading some of your posts!
 
Which is a flat tax, right? What rate do you think everyone would have to pay?

You didn't just say the fair tax is the flat tax did you? I need to start a thread on this!
No I asked if that was what you meant since you didn't explain it.

See my avatar it will tell you everything you need to do know!

I don't do avatars. They tend to prejudice me when I'm responding to what people write.

Quote by: The Fair Tax - It replaces federal income taxes including personal, estate, gift, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, self-employment, and corporate taxes.
Americans For Fair Taxation: Frequently Asked Questions Answers

So if I understand this plan, everyone pays a FLAT 23% tax on every dollar above $12,770?

The meximum untaxed rate doesn't sound high enough to me.

Perhaps the maximum untaxed amount needs to be raised and the rate 23% also needs to be raised to compensate for that.

A lot of VERY poor people would benefit from this change, though, I'll grant it that positive note.
 
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There is no doubt that psychological factors including fear & greed and pessimism and optimism influence the economy, but the state of the economy is the primary cause of these moods.

When businesses are set up into a system where the vast majority of the wealth is accummulated by a minority of the people, while the majority of the people have no real possibilty for improved wealth, fear and pessimism take hold and the economy has a downturn. This in turn feeds the fear & pessimism and things just keep getting worse.

For the past 30 years the real wealth of the middle & working classes has diminished. We've maintained a highly optimistic society and a generally good economy, but only because liberal credit has camoflauged this fact.

America is at the end of it's economic rope. The middle & working classes have hit the limit of it's credit. With wages stagnant, benefits severely reduced and bonuses obsolete, these classes can no longer afford to mortgage their future. Buying has stopped and credit defaults begun.

The business leaders have done what amount to the worst thing they can do - massive layoffs. This is rocketing us towards the not only the greatest economic catastrophe in history, but the greatest humanitarian disaster in history as well.

Pessimism due to lack of wealth has gripped the working and middle classes, meanwhile the wealthy have responded with fear - not only hording their wealth and refusing to invest and expand, but to take recessionary measures to protect their wealth and profits.

It is well within the power of the wealthiest people in this society to turn this around, but they are solely interested in each of their own personal well being and have no sense of altruism whatsoever.

Ideally it would be the wealthiest people who would (and could) get together and act responsibly. The government is, unfortunately, the only organization that has any sense of responsibilty to our society as a whole and is willing to take action on our behalf.

This is a free society and a basically free economy, there is no law that says that wealthy people cannot get together and save this economy. But we all know that they won't - free liberaterians should be hiding their heads in the sand.

Let's all hope that the governments actions do turn this crisis around, because if they don't we are all in for hell way beyond anything that could be described as 'Biblical proportions'.
 
There is no doubt that psychological factors including fear & greed and pessimism and optimism influence the economy, but the state of the economy is the primary cause of these moods.

When businesses are set up into a system where the vast majority of the wealth is accummulated by a minority of the people, while the majority of the people have no real possibilty for improved wealth, fear and pessimism take hold and the economy has a downturn. This in turn feeds the fear & pessimism and things just keep getting worse.

For the past 30 years the real wealth of the middle & working classes has diminished. We've maintained a highly optimistic society and a generally good economy, but only because liberal credit has camoflauged this fact.

America is at the end of it's economic rope. The middle & working classes have hit the limit of it's credit. With wages stagnant, benefits severely reduced and bonuses obsolete, these classes can no longer afford to mortgage their future. Buying has stopped and credit defaults begun.

The business leaders have done what amount to the worst thing they can do - massive layoffs. This is rocketing us towards the not only the greatest economic catastrophe in history, but the greatest humanitarian disaster in history as well.

Pessimism due to lack of wealth has gripped the working and middle classes, meanwhile the wealthy have responded with fear - not only hording their wealth and refusing to invest and expand, but to take recessionary measures to protect their wealth and profits.

It is well within the power of the wealthiest people in this society to turn this around, but they are solely interested in each of their own personal well being and have no sense of altruism whatsoever.

Ideally it would be the wealthiest people who would (and could) get together and act responsibly. The government is, unfortunately, the only organization that has any sense of responsibilty to our society as a whole and is willing to take action on our behalf.

This is a free society and a basically free economy, there is no law that says that wealthy people cannot get together and save this economy. But we all know that they won't - free liberaterians should be hiding their heads in the sand.

Let's all hope that the governments actions do turn this crisis around, because if they don't we are all in for hell way beyond anything that could be described as 'Biblical proportions'.
You seem to think of the "wealthy" as a monolith. They are not. They react individually to each individual's levels of pessimism or optimism just as any other individuals do. Society as a whole acts as a monolith only as dictated by the majority's level of pessimism or optimism. If most are pessimistic society as a whole will react with pessimism. This is where we are at now. We may have to go through much pessimism before optimism begins to prevail. Government can help by getting out of the economy's way by targeting tax cuts and reduced regulations, and broadly cutting spending (except for security and defense). These measures will help provide an opportunity for optimism to rebound. Massive new spending programs will only just temporarily prop up small segments of the economy while the majority falters even further.
 
You do realize your two possitive role models you gave have tanked worse than we have?

Your a socialist correct? Your positive role models aren't doing that well. USSR = died. Communist China, only start to become a player when they opened up to free market and private ownership mentality. North Korea = only a positive role model if you like starving. Hugo Fat Ass's Venezuela, tell fat ass that when cars run on something besides oil, will happen within the next 5-10 years, but either way between now and the next decade oil consumption world-wide will gradually decrease, that Venezuela will go back to being an irrelevant 3rd world country!

Name me a country at the moment that isn't tanking? Should no one try to copy Japan's push for technological superiority approach since they are hurting big time and just did their own version of a bail out and stimulus package? What about England, China, Canada or Singapore? People tell me that!

And yes I will stick by Dubai and Ireland as good examples of how low corporate and other taxes attract Corporations to a country, since both are good examples of that!

Low taxation by itself isn't going to be the miracle, otherwise I would have stopped after the 2nd suggestion.


Lying again?


when did I ever say I was a socialist?


You again are lyin just like you lied about my PM which I proved.

Lying doesnt make you smart or right ,it just makes you a lying taintwallow.

Oh don't act like you wouldn't be completely fine with the US government taking ownership of the collective means of production.
 
Which is a flat tax, right? What rate do you think everyone would have to pay?

You didn't just say the fair tax is the flat tax did you? I need to start a thread on this!
No I asked if that was what you meant since you didn't explain it.



I don't do avatars. They tend to prejudice me when I'm responding to what people write.


Americans For Fair Taxation: Frequently Asked Questions Answers

So if I understand this plan, everyone pays a FLAT 23% tax on every dollar above $12,770?

The meximum untaxed rate doesn't sound high enough to me.

Perhaps the maximum untaxed amount needs to be raised and the rate 23% also needs to be raised to compensate for that.

A lot of VERY poor people would benefit from this change, though, I'll grant it that positive note.

It would still require fiscal discipline and a lot of spending cuts.

Spending levels pre-year 2000 could be sustained TODAY without an income tax. The problem is once you spend money and give it to citizens, you can never take it away without paying a political penalty that most politicians don't have thick enough skin to handle.
 
You seem to think of the "wealthy" as a monolith. They are not. They react individually to each individual's levels of pessimism or optimism just as any other individuals do. Society as a whole acts as a monolith only as dictated by the majority's level of pessimism or optimism. If most are pessimistic society as a whole will react with pessimism. This is where we are at now. We may have to go through much pessimism before optimism begins to prevail. Government can help by getting out of the economy's way by targeting tax cuts and reduced regulations, and broadly cutting spending (except for security and defense). These measures will help provide an opportunity for optimism to rebound. Massive new spending programs will only just temporarily prop up small segments of the economy while the majority falters even further.

Of course we are a world of individuals, but economic measures are based on how the vast majority reacts. I'm sure that there are a few very optimistic people out there...very few.

As far as your other assertions...

You gotta be kidding!

No matter much reality proves anti-regulation, tax cutting, supply-side, free market, free liberaterianism wrong, your just gonna stick to your little fantasy world - promoting your ideology as a religion.

This country is a mess due to conservative free-liberaterian leaning leadership. Eight years ago we could afford, or so it seemed, stupidity. We can no longer afford it. We are on the verge of a total economic collapse! Do you have any idea what that means?

Do you understand that with economic collapse comes a collapse of our entire national defense?

Do you understand that with economic collapse comes a massive humanitarian disaster?

If you and your ilk had any sense of patriotism, any sense of decency, you would stop spewing your crap and leave the leadership of this country to the intelligent responsible people who are now trying to figure out how to fix the fucking mess that you & yours have caused.
 
You seem to think of the "wealthy" as a monolith. They are not. They react individually to each individual's levels of pessimism or optimism just as any other individuals do. Society as a whole acts as a monolith only as dictated by the majority's level of pessimism or optimism. If most are pessimistic society as a whole will react with pessimism. This is where we are at now. We may have to go through much pessimism before optimism begins to prevail. Government can help by getting out of the economy's way by targeting tax cuts and reduced regulations, and broadly cutting spending (except for security and defense). These measures will help provide an opportunity for optimism to rebound. Massive new spending programs will only just temporarily prop up small segments of the economy while the majority falters even further.

Of course we are a world of individuals, but economic measures are based on how the vast majority reacts. I'm sure that there are a few very optimistic people out there...very few.

As far as your other assertions...

You gotta be kidding!

No matter much reality proves anti-regulation, tax cutting, supply-side, free market, free liberaterianism wrong, your just gonna stick to your little fantasy world - promoting your ideology as a religion.

This country is a mess due to conservative free-liberaterian leaning leadership. Eight years ago we could afford, or so it seemed, stupidity. We can no longer afford it. We are on the verge of a total economic collapse! Do you have any idea what that means?

Do you understand that with economic collapse comes a collapse of our entire national defense?

Do you understand that with economic collapse comes a massive humanitarian disaster?

If you and your ilk had any sense of patriotism, any sense of decency, you would stop spewing your crap and leave the leadership of this country to the intelligent responsible people who are now trying to figure out how to fix the fucking mess that you & yours have caused.
Can you precisely explain the exact "free-libertarian" policies that you think caused the credit crisis? Or are you just screaming Democrat talking points without actually having a clue what the real reasons are?
 
(1) 0% taxation on corporations in American! Look at the wonders the 0 Corporate tax has done for Dubai and look at the wonders the lowest corp law in Europe has done for Ireland!
(2) Eliminate the income and payroll tax - this would make our small businesses very very competitive. Especially with the folks South of the border!
BOTH CAN ONLY BE ACCOMPLISHED VIA THE FAIR TAX!
(3)Appoint an economic czar,
But it should be someone with proven creditenials (esp one who didn't get caught cheating on his taxes) , such as Buffet!
(4) Tarriffs
Selective use of Tariffs for strategic and endangered industries to prevent their loss. I am very shaking in this one because it goes against a lot of what I believe in and I am a very aware of the effect of the Hawley-Smoot Anti-Tariff's effect in the '20s. But it should at least be looked into.
(5) WTO:
Withdraw from the WTO. It doesn't benefit us. It creates agreements that hurt us! We should only consider remaining in it, if we can benefit off it. Listen to Ron Paul on this one, "Its not free trade, if it takes away any advantages to the US and gives it all to the other quote unquote trade partners."
(6) Control our Balance of Trade Deficit. ==> Yes I know easier said than done. But it should an objective not a fantasy!
(7) International trade Agreements:
Analyze every international trade deal. Again listen to Ron Paul, "ask yourself does it benefit America? If the answer NO, then either renegotiate it or eliminate it." Currently most our deals do not. Such as NAFTA and CAFTA! Replace Free trade agreement with ones that actually benefit America and Americans. Also use the Duncan Hunter mirror tactics. If a country uses a block against us, then we mirror that against them. China for example has tarriffs and taxes on some US imports to China, yet we have nothing countering it for their goods.
(8) Outsource Manufacturing and Technology:
We should attempt to discourage technology transfer and outsourcing manufacturing if it causes us to lose industries. 0% taxation via the fair tax would accomplish this, in conjunction with selective tarriffs and reduced regulations!
(9) Enforce Illegal Immigration Law:
Start with the employers, hospitals, sanctuary cities and landlords. Employers pay illegals pennies for jobs that American citizens can do. It hits all sectors of the agriculture, construction and even manufacturing sector. Yes it saves us money at the store, but it also reduces wages all the way around. Hospitals and schools, especially in CA, AZ, NM and TX, give a lot of free services to Illegals and Americans end up fronting the bill. Why are healthcare and education costs so expensive, hospitals and schools like every American business, needs to make up for losses they incure. When we give free healthcare and education to illegals, they are 100% losses on the hospital's and school's books. Look at CA right now the illegal immigrant center! They are bankrupt! Imagine if you paid taxes in CA right now and the CA government gave you an IOU for your return, yet you pay the highest taxes in the nation. It is said that it the CA government cut off all Illegals from healthcare, education, welfare and unemployment then CA would have a budget surplus!
(10) Energy!!!
Drill here Drill now. I saw a report that we have more domestic oil reserves than Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq and Venezuela, yet we don't tap into it. The high gas prices are bleeding us dry. I know prices have come down, but remember when they were $5 a gallon, it bled me dry. It will go back up sooner or later. Drill in ANWR, drill off the coast lines, drill in UT, NV & WY and drill in the oceans! In the meantime push big time for alternative fueled automobiles that don't run on our food supply (aka no ethanol!). Build more refineries! Build more nuclear power plants. Lastly, but not least, outlaw future trading of oil. This has driven up the price of oil more than the scarcity of oil. To he11 with the free market on oil future trading, its killing us!

(11) Promote education! Based in intelligence and behavior!
And educated work force competes globally. It shouldn't start in college it should start when they are growing. The hell with the PC of treating all children the same, when they turn to adults they will find out quickly (as all of us have) that the world treats us based on the merits of your intelligence, drive, personality, looks, friendships and achievements.

First, No more free education to illegals. Look at CA free education and healthcare has sunk them
Second, Have schools sectioned off by intelligence and valid scoring system. Give teachers and schools more power to take actions against disruptive students. Teachers and schools should have more power to remove students that are disruptive to children that want to learn. School should be a year round affair. Promote math and science more, giving more credits to this classes as incentive. Teach business in school including introduction to the stock market and world economy. Education is where it starts.

Here is how my system works. All children go to general schools starting form 4-8, during this time each child in evaluated while in the class room by specialist. At age 6 the children are split into 5 schools. 1st one is for the genius with low behavior problems. 2nd is for smart, but not genius level with low behavior problems. The 3rd is well the not so smart, but low behavior problems. The 4th is good intelligence but behavior problems and the 5th is the no so smart and behavior problems. Obviously there would be multiple schools for each level. Each school would be geared towards the child. Obviously the geniuses would have more math, science etc. And the low intelligence behavior problem would be gear more towards labor and other jobs and have a more military type approach. From 6-8 they are still evaluated and could move either up or down. Them after that they could still move up or down, but not as easily. This would take a whole thread, so I will stop here.

(12) Curtail subsidies foreign owned companies receive from our State Governments.

Agree with more I disagree with. I will never support any protectionist policy. We lose old-guard industry because we advance, as a society, to a point we spend our efforts on ever more advanced endeavors and must leave the old, primative, prior century endeavors to lesser societies.

The libertarians need to realize one thing for a simple fact. No country, anywhere, can ever be self sufficient in the modern, global, economy. The very need for a nation-state, at least economically, is slowly disappearing.
 
(1) 0% taxation on corporations in American! Look at the wonders the 0 Corporate tax has done for Dubai and look at the wonders the lowest corp law in Europe has done for Ireland!
(2) Eliminate the income and payroll tax - this would make our small businesses very very competitive. Especially with the folks South of the border!
BOTH CAN ONLY BE ACCOMPLISHED VIA THE FAIR TAX!
(3)Appoint an economic czar,
But it should be someone with proven creditenials (esp one who didn't get caught cheating on his taxes) , such as Buffet!
(4) Tarriffs
Selective use of Tariffs for strategic and endangered industries to prevent their loss. I am very shaking in this one because it goes against a lot of what I believe in and I am a very aware of the effect of the Hawley-Smoot Anti-Tariff's effect in the '20s. But it should at least be looked into.
(5) WTO:
Withdraw from the WTO. It doesn't benefit us. It creates agreements that hurt us! We should only consider remaining in it, if we can benefit off it. Listen to Ron Paul on this one, "Its not free trade, if it takes away any advantages to the US and gives it all to the other quote unquote trade partners."
(6) Control our Balance of Trade Deficit. ==> Yes I know easier said than done. But it should an objective not a fantasy!
(7) International trade Agreements:
Analyze every international trade deal. Again listen to Ron Paul, "ask yourself does it benefit America? If the answer NO, then either renegotiate it or eliminate it." Currently most our deals do not. Such as NAFTA and CAFTA! Replace Free trade agreement with ones that actually benefit America and Americans. Also use the Duncan Hunter mirror tactics. If a country uses a block against us, then we mirror that against them. China for example has tarriffs and taxes on some US imports to China, yet we have nothing countering it for their goods.
(8) Outsource Manufacturing and Technology:
We should attempt to discourage technology transfer and outsourcing manufacturing if it causes us to lose industries. 0% taxation via the fair tax would accomplish this, in conjunction with selective tarriffs and reduced regulations!
(9) Enforce Illegal Immigration Law:
Start with the employers, hospitals, sanctuary cities and landlords. Employers pay illegals pennies for jobs that American citizens can do. It hits all sectors of the agriculture, construction and even manufacturing sector. Yes it saves us money at the store, but it also reduces wages all the way around. Hospitals and schools, especially in CA, AZ, NM and TX, give a lot of free services to Illegals and Americans end up fronting the bill. Why are healthcare and education costs so expensive, hospitals and schools like every American business, needs to make up for losses they incure. When we give free healthcare and education to illegals, they are 100% losses on the hospital's and school's books. Look at CA right now the illegal immigrant center! They are bankrupt! Imagine if you paid taxes in CA right now and the CA government gave you an IOU for your return, yet you pay the highest taxes in the nation. It is said that it the CA government cut off all Illegals from healthcare, education, welfare and unemployment then CA would have a budget surplus!
(10) Energy!!!
Drill here Drill now. I saw a report that we have more domestic oil reserves than Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq and Venezuela, yet we don't tap into it. The high gas prices are bleeding us dry. I know prices have come down, but remember when they were $5 a gallon, it bled me dry. It will go back up sooner or later. Drill in ANWR, drill off the coast lines, drill in UT, NV & WY and drill in the oceans! In the meantime push big time for alternative fueled automobiles that don't run on our food supply (aka no ethanol!). Build more refineries! Build more nuclear power plants. Lastly, but not least, outlaw future trading of oil. This has driven up the price of oil more than the scarcity of oil. To he11 with the free market on oil future trading, its killing us!

(11) Promote education! Based in intelligence and behavior!
And educated work force competes globally. It shouldn't start in college it should start when they are growing. The hell with the PC of treating all children the same, when they turn to adults they will find out quickly (as all of us have) that the world treats us based on the merits of your intelligence, drive, personality, looks, friendships and achievements.

First, No more free education to illegals. Look at CA free education and healthcare has sunk them
Second, Have schools sectioned off by intelligence and valid scoring system. Give teachers and schools more power to take actions against disruptive students. Teachers and schools should have more power to remove students that are disruptive to children that want to learn. School should be a year round affair. Promote math and science more, giving more credits to this classes as incentive. Teach business in school including introduction to the stock market and world economy. Education is where it starts.

Here is how my system works. All children go to general schools starting form 4-8, during this time each child in evaluated while in the class room by specialist. At age 6 the children are split into 5 schools. 1st one is for the genius with low behavior problems. 2nd is for smart, but not genius level with low behavior problems. The 3rd is well the not so smart, but low behavior problems. The 4th is good intelligence but behavior problems and the 5th is the no so smart and behavior problems. Obviously there would be multiple schools for each level. Each school would be geared towards the child. Obviously the geniuses would have more math, science etc. And the low intelligence behavior problem would be gear more towards labor and other jobs and have a more military type approach. From 6-8 they are still evaluated and could move either up or down. Them after that they could still move up or down, but not as easily. This would take a whole thread, so I will stop here.

(12) Curtail subsidies foreign owned companies receive from our State Governments.



I hope you're not inferring that our military is "below" normal intelligence level? Or are you suggesting that kids with behavior problems in school go to a type military school for their education? (That would be a good idea--but it will never happen--it's not politically correct.) The requirements--"entry" level for our armed services, specifically U.S. Army & National Guard. They are required to have a high school diploma or equivalent. They are required to pass a written examination. You would be surprised at the number of people in this country that are shocked to find out that they failed this test & the U.S. military is not interested in them. If one has a criminal record they are denied entry into the military. This is just the U.S Army & National Guard requirements, I believe the U.S. Navy & Air Force requires a harder examination for entry level. Today--we have the most intelligent, knowledgable "volunteer" armed forces in the world.

I do agree with you on the point--that students need to go to school to learn. All too often--our public schools turn out to be a day-care center. It's not fair to those kids who want an education, & I agree that there should be separation. Realistically though--that will never happen. Our society is too politically correct. Politicians are more interested in saving 1 kid--at the expense of the other 29 kids in the class that could do very well. That's why school vouchers are still a red hot push topic button. Also, we have the "teachers union" in this country that is huge & extremely influential during political campaigns. "They hate the thought of school vouchers--or private schools." And this is why this country spends more on education than any other country in the world & our students examination scores are still lagging behind other countries, that do not spend even 1-10th the amount on education that we do.
 
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There is a better, much faster way to stimulate this economy, & do it today that will make an immediate effect on our economy. One that would boom us out of this recession--without the need for this huge so-called stimulus, that really isn't a stimulus.

1. Lower tax rates to Americans who pay taxes. (no more rebate or stimulus checks--to those that pay no federal taxes.) The last two rebate checks have done nothing to stimulate the economy. It may have stimulated the "drug dealer" on the corner though.

2. Lower the corporate tax rate immediately. Right now it is obscene at 35%--the highest on the planet. This alone would keep jobs in this country, versus corporations running overseas to avoid this enormous tax bill.

3. Lower capital gains tax rate. Our stock market would go through the roof, not only bringing Americans back into the American stock market, but foreigners too, would invest in this country, versus fleeing our markets. (It has been proven--that a lower capital gains tax rate actually brings in more tax revenue to the federal government.)

4. Finally--get 30 year-fixed mortgages down in the 3 to 4% range, to Americans with good credit & the ability to re-pay. Most Americans--with good credit--bought new or refinanced existing mortgages over the past few years in the 5% range. Lower that rate to intice them back in. This rate would send Americans--(with good credit & the ability to re-pay the loan) running to the banks. In turn they would borrow more for other items--like new cars, furniture, vacations, remodeling, etc. etc.

These 4 things would eliminate the need for any type of governmental stimulus. We would do it ourselves. This economy would boom out of this recession--almost immediately. To make up for lowering the tax rates, how about holding our reckless--big spending federal government responsible for spending our hard earned tax dollars like it grows on trees?
 
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Do away with the capital gains tax.

For a lot of people, that money was already taxed once out of their income. If you have the sense enough to invest in the country's economy, you deserve to keep what you make.

This would pull in a huge amount of revenue to the private industry almost overnight, and would definitely help fill many of the lost jobs.
 
(11) Promote education! Based in intelligence and behavior!
And educated work force competes globally. It shouldn't start in college it should start when they are growing. The hell with the PC of treating all children the same, when they turn to adults they will find out quickly (as all of us have) that the world treats us based on the merits of your intelligence, drive, personality, looks, friendships and achievements.

First, No more free education to illegals. Look at CA free education and healthcare has sunk them
Second, Have schools sectioned off by intelligence and valid scoring system. Give teachers and schools more power to take actions against disruptive students. Teachers and schools should have more power to remove students that are disruptive to children that want to learn. School should be a year round affair. Promote math and science more, giving more credits to this classes as incentive. Teach business in school including introduction to the stock market and world economy. Education is where it starts.

Here is how my system works. All children go to general schools starting form 4-8, during this time each child in evaluated while in the class room by specialist. At age 6 the children are split into 5 schools. 1st one is for the genius with low behavior problems. 2nd is for smart, but not genius level with low behavior problems. The 3rd is well the not so smart, but low behavior problems. The 4th is good intelligence but behavior problems and the 5th is the no so smart and behavior problems. Obviously there would be multiple schools for each level. Each school would be geared towards the child. Obviously the geniuses would have more math, science etc. And the low intelligence behavior problem would be gear more towards labor and other jobs and have a more military type approach. From 6-8 they are still evaluated and could move either up or down. Them after that they could still move up or down, but not as easily. This would take a whole thread, so I will stop here.

I hope you're not inferring that our military is "below" normal intelligence level?
Absolutely NOT! Nice twist on my words

Or are you suggesting that kids with behavior problems in school go to a type military school for their education? (That would be a good idea--but it will never happen--it's not politically correct.)
Yes that is exactly what I am saying. I think a huge problem with schools in America today is we are way to PC in promoting the children that perform and give way to many excuses to the ones that act out! We can't hurt Jr's feelings. Don't let tjhem play dodge ball because the fat ones always get knocked out first. Many of the children that act out make it hard directly and indirectly for the smart ones to learn. Some of the smart ones start to feel embarrassed that they are smart, like trying hard and studying in school is a weakness. A system that promotes and rewards intelligence regardless of your race, religion, social class etc is the best one. Then the problem kids should be removed to a military type system were they get the discipline they are not getting at home. Sorry, but if your child is a problem and you can't or haven't taken care of it, then a military style school environment is what the doctor ordered!

The requirements--"entry" level for our armed services, specifically U.S. Army & National Guard. They are required to have a high school diploma or equivalent. They are required to pass a written examination. You would be surprised at the number of people in this country that are shocked to find out that they failed this test & the U.S. military is not interested in them. If one has a criminal record they are denied entry into the military. This is just the U.S Army & National Guard requirements, I believe the U.S. Navy & Air Force requires a harder examination for entry level. Today--we have the most intelligent, knowledgable "volunteer" armed forces in the world.
First off, I have the out-most respect for the military and by no means do I assume soldiers lack intelligence! A military system approach teacheds discipline and many many American youth need discipline badly!


I do agree with you on the point--that students need to go to school to learn. All too often--our public schools turn out to be a day-care center. It's not fair to those kids who want an education, & I agree that there should be separation. Realistically though--that will never happen. Our society is too politically correct. Politicians are more interested in saving 1 kid--at the expense of the other 29 kids in the class that could do very well. That's why school vouchers are still a red hot push topic button. Also, we have the "teachers union" in this country that is huge & extremely influential during political campaigns. "They hate the thought of school vouchers--or private schools." And this is why this country spends more on education than any other country in the world & our students examination scores are still lagging behind other countries, that do not spend even 1-10th the amount on education that we do.
I agree! All politician say we need to fix the American family. Education is a good start!
 
Zoomie opines:

Agree with more I disagree with. I will never support any protectionist policy.

None? How about not exporting our Nuclear Arms industry?



We lose old-guard industry because we advance,

We didn't LOSE those industries...we gave them away.


as a society, to a point we spend our efforts on ever more advanced endeavors and must leave the old, primative, prior century endeavors to lesser societies.

Absolute nonsense.

What we are becoming is a colony of the nations from which we purchase these manufactured goods.

WE had a revolution so that we could start manufacturing our own industrial products, and the nitwits in charge gave away that advantage that previous generations worked so hard to attain.

Look at this nation's trade imbalance, Zoomie.

Wake up!
 

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