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Originally posted by NATO AIR
true
my concern is that these bastards will achieve a diplomatic solution with US pressure and get away with their crimes...
i do think its going to get resolved somehow, but sadly not without miiltary force, which is greatly warranted in this situation
did you see the washington post article about how they're raping the women and impregnating them intenonally?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5327445/
they're trying to wipe out the tribes
Originally posted by NATO AIR
"The fear is that there is a premeditated plan to destabilize Sudan," says Abdul-Rahim Ali Mohamed Ibrahim, head of the Khartoum International Institute of Arabic Language. "We don't see what's happening in Iraq as all that different from what's happening in Sudan."
Mrs. Fish, NightTrain's old high school English Teacher, said today in a press conference: "I think that Abdul-Rahim Ali Mohamed Ibrahim of the Khartoum International Institute of Arabic Language is fucked! Never could get his apostrophe placement down, he was a lazy bastard."
Originally posted by NightTrain
Emmmm........
Who the FUCK is Abdul-Rahim Ali Mohamed Ibrahim?
Well, shit! If he's qualified to be quoted, then what my old English teacher, Mrs. Fish said today should be an invaluable wealth of information about how things are going in Sudan!
Why the hell not?
In fact, we can even skip the middle man, since I know Mrs. Fish thinks like I do, and I can tell you how it is!
Ahhhhhhhhhhh HAH!
Mrs. Fish, NightTrain's old high school English Teacher, said today in a press conference: "I think that Abdul-Rahim Ali Mohamed Ibrahim of the Khartoum International Institute of Arabic Language is fucked! Never could get his apostrophe placement down, he was a lazy bastard."
: LOL Geez, lost the :cof:
UN Says Sudan Undertakes to Disarm Darfur Militias
Fri Jul 2, 7:54 PM ET Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Opheera McDoom
KHARTOUM (Reuters) - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) said Friday Sudan's President Omar Hassan al-Bashir had undertaken to disarm Arab militias who have driven more than one million Africans from their homes in the remote Darfur region.
"(Al-Bashir has made a commitment) to ensure security for the civilian population by deploying civilian police and by disarming militias," Annan after talks in Khartoum, highlighting what the U.N. says is the world's worst humanitarian crisis.
Foreign Minister Mustafa Osman Ismail said Sudan would deploy more forces to rein in the militias, known as Janjaweed, as well as rebels who launched a revolt last year accusing Khartoum of arming the militias. Khartoum denies the charge.
"We still say we need to do more on the security. (The interior minister) is going to deploy 6,000 police in Darfur," Ismail said.
Talks went on after Annan and Ismail spoke to reporters and a joint communique is due to be issued Saturday on future action over the vast western region, which the U.N. fears could be gripped by widespread famine.
Washington, which sent Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) to Khartoum this week, and rights groups say the Janjaweed are carrying out an ethnic cleansing campaign in an area where tensions run high between nomadic Arabs and African farmers.
One of the two main rebel groups, the Justice and Equality Movement, said government warplanes bombed near Southern Darfur state's capital Nyala and militias burned villages Thursday, while Annan was visiting refugee camps further north.
AFRICAN UNION MONITORS
Ismail said the government had flown in African Union monitors who were investigating, but the information they had was that the rebels had burned the villages.
Both Annan and Ismail said security was vital before the displaced could return to their homes, although the mostly African farmers fear they will starve in the next year having missed the chance to plant their crops before the rainy season.
Annan said the United Nations (news - web sites) was quickly stepping up its aid operations with help from the Sudanese government.
"By the end of this month we will be able to feed a million people," Annan said.
Aid agencies estimate more than two million people are caught up in the fighting, and that some 200,000 refugees are in neighboring Chad.
Darfur, an area the size of France, has few roads and little infrastructure. The rainy season increases the threat of malaria and helps disease spread in the refugee camps.
Annan said there was concern militias moving across the border into Chad may destabilize oil-producing Sudan's impoverished neighbor.
"In a country that is just beginning to get its economic and social development off the ground, the situation is fragile and one should not have to deal with that kind of crisis," he said, hours after returning from refugee camps in eastern Chad.
Chad mediated a cease-fire between the rebels and the government in April, but both sides have since accused each other of violations.
The African Union said after a meeting in Chad Friday that it had invited Khartoum and the rebels to peace talks in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa later this month.
"We invite all parties to begin political negotiations on July 15 in Addis Ababa," said African Union Commission Chairman Alpha Oumar Konare.
Sudanese Interior Minister Abdel Rahim Mohamed Hussein has said talks with the rebels would start in Chad Friday.
The Justice and Equality Movement said it would not attend talks in Chad because of government cease-fire violations. Chad was not a fair mediator, it said.
The other main rebel group, the Sudan Liberation Movement, said it was unaware of any talks.
(Additional reporting by Nima Elbagir and Betel Miarom in N'Djamena)
Sudanese government officials emptied a camp of thousands of refugees hours before UN Secretary General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) was to arrive here Thursday, preventing him from meeting some of the hardest-hit victims of the humanitarian crisis in the province of Darfur.
"There may have been 3,000 to 4,000 people here as of 5 p.m. yesterday," UN spokesman Fred Eckhard said as he gazed upon the empty camp at Mashtel. "Now, as you can see, no one is here. I can't imagine they spontaneously moved."
Originally posted by NATO AIR
remember during the siege of sarajevo, the UN having the gall to say "this is only the 14th worst place on earth right now, so we can't do much"
i still don't think unilateralism is the total answer, but for this shell-shocked and increasingly disillusioned young man, NATO and the UN are both pathetic failures.
we either need some new institutions, a miracle to reinvent the ones we got, or a whole new idea on how to deal with things.
Originally posted by NATO AIR
whoa, i might have mistyped or been misunderstood. Kosovo was not the UN's success case, it was Wes Clark and NATO's. we couldn't stop the serbs because they were in bed with the Chinese and the Russians. The UN Security Council is now next to worthless because of the Chinese and the French, the Russians having woken up and smelt the coffee that genocidal dictators and terrorists must be stopped.
Originally posted by NATO AIR
true, they've paid considerably for kosovo. and yes it was a european problem but we were part of it sadly. i'm proud of what we did there. god how i loved wearing that shirt, every person on the street would ask me WTF NATO AIR was....
and part of kosovo for clinton and even the republicans was revenge... milosevic had humilated america badly, and though he got the europeans good, they're not like us in this sense. we took this personally, and kosovo was in a sense revenge. i've talked to pilots who served on the aircraft carriers during kosovo and at the airfields in Europe who loved bombing the serbs, because they'd had to sit by for years during Bosnia and watch the Serbs rape, pillage and murder innocent Muslims and Croats... remember the Serbs were responsibile for 90% of the atrocities of the Bosnian War, and they never got anything close to punishment until Kosovo.
sometimes we clean up other people's messes. its not right but hey, its part of being the megapower. hell, we've been cleaning up the messes from britain's colonial past for decades... though they have done their part as well.
Originally posted by NATO AIR
that is very true kat
its disgusting to see a leader who is a monster get praised like that
i still think that somehow this is going to get resolved in a good way, at least for the prospects of the mass murder and rape stopping, and for the darfur people possibly being offered a chance at a new future.
the african union and the US/Britain should just do the damn thing if the French and everyone else doesn't want to be bothered to stop genocide
The U.S. Cavalry
The alternative to U.S. "unilateralism" and "hegemony" is catastrophe.
Sunday, July 4, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT
...U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan has been raising the alarm about Darfur--and he also visited there this week--but not until two weeks ago did the Security Council call for an immediate halt to the fighting. This being the U.N., the resolution was toothless. Permanent members China and France are worried about jeopardizing their business interests in Sudan. Pakistan and Algeria, which hold temporary seats, refuse to impose sanctions on a fellow Muslim nation even as it is engaged in the mass killing of Muslims....
..The ostensible reason for Europe's reluctance to pressure Sudan on Darfur is fear of torpedoing a peace deal between Khartoum and the south, where government forces have been slaughtering and enslaving Christian and animist Africans. But Europe's concern is rich with hypocrisy. That conflict, in which some two million people have died, has been going on for 21 years--while Europe watched.
Again, it was the U.S. that finally did something. The Bush Administration, under the leadership of special envoy John Danforth (soon to be ambassador to the U.N.), deserves most of the credit for brokering the deal.
A better measure of Europe's concern about Darfur was evident at the recent European Union summit, where one has to turn to page 18 of the summit conclusions to find a small paragraph about Darfur. The most forceful language the EU could muster was "deep concern" regarding Sudan's "humanitarian crisis," as if what is happening in Darfur is a tragic act of nature rather than a rampage by murderous, ruthless men.
If Europe won't come to the rescue of the people of Darfur, how about their fellow Muslims? The Arab League statement at its May summit didn't mention Darfur at all. Instead, it reaffirmed "the Arab states' solidarity with the sisterly Republic of Sudan, and their determination to preserve its unity and territorial integrity." Kamel Labidi explains the Muslim world's moral failure in a related column.
Nor, alas, can the Sudanese people expect much from their fellow Africans. It was the Africa bloc at the U.N. that played a key role in the farce that resulted in Sudan's re-appointment to the U.N. Human Rights Commission in May. Sudan's fellow Africans also helped undermine a resolution in April designed to appoint a special human rights rapporteur for Darfur. Yes, the African Union is leading a group of observers to monitor a cease-fire that has yet to take hold. But it is sending a grand total of 120 troops--including a munificent contribution of six from Europe--to monitor a region the size of France.
The lesson of Sudan is that the world is a Hobbesian place outside the U.S. sphere of influence. Sudan's social contract is straight out of "Leviathan"; citizens are guaranteed security only if they abide by the absolute authority of a monarch.
The real problem, as everyone knows but no one will admit, is Sudan's murderous regime. But Mr. Annan and company can't abide regime change, and in any case the U.S. military is too preoccupied to make that happen. That means we're left with diplomatic pressure and visits like Mr. Powell's, which are better than nothing but don't solve the long-term problem.
It is fashionable these days to express distaste for American "unilateralism" and "hegemony." The unfolding catastrophe in Darfur offers a chilling view of what the alternative really looks like.
Let Europeans save Sudanese
Tribune Editorial
.....Both Powell and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan were in Sudan this week. They got the usual government promises of action and reform, but Annan forthrightly said it might take international troops to disarm and disband the militias and there is a draft U.N. resolution pending to authorize that.
If the Sudanese government can't or won't act, and the threat of international sanctions (the U.S. already has sanctions in place) doesn't work, then troops it must be. The ideal solution would be to use troops drawn from the region, but they don't seem to have sufficient numbers and training. Thus, once again, the world will be standing around, waiting to see what the United States does.
However, we already have two foreign military projects Iraq and Afghanistan that really ought to be finished up before we take on anything new. But there are major nations fresh and rested from sitting on the sidelines that can and should take the lead.
How about it, France and Germany? The criteria you said you'd need to justify intervention a clear humanitarian crisis and a U.N. resolution are there. We'll hold your coats.
