Sucession is a Legal Right of each State

[ihopehefails]

No, actually it isn't, per the Supreme Court: Texas vs White

Where's the constitutional amendment making it illegal?

No amendment required. It's there in the constitution already. Look at the words "more perfect union" in the preamble.

Actually that does not apply to the powers that the federal government has. That section is the enumerated powers section and none of those say it can forbid a state from leaving nor is there any prohibition placed on states in the federal constitution saying they can't leave.

Listen, I'm not saying that states should leave but it is a choice of each state whether it wants to stay or not. I would vote staying since there are a lot of advantages being a part of the federation of states that bond together for the common defense and general welfare.

 

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[PubliusInfinitum]

Hell, I've been talking about secession since Clinton got a blowjob. It ain't got nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans.

For instance, the Vermont secession movement is run by a devout socialist. It's about being able to opt out... no violence, just peacefully getting the hell out.

What makes you think Thomas H. Naylor is a Socialist? He's what real Vermonters call a flatlander, who moved to the state for its pristine value, then wants to drive everything according to his terms. Naylor was born in Mississippi, educated in the south, and is a retired eccentric who thinks he's found his "island" -- the State of Vermont.

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I heard the man talking on the news... he sounded like he was presenting socialist solutions. But that may be a bad judgement on my part.

By any objective measure, the Vermont sucession group are socialists... and idiots of the first order.

 

[ihopehefails]

Did you mean to use the word secession???

Why all the talk of secession since the Republicans lost the election?

Some of us don't want to live under a communist government that we think Obama wants to create. You probably think its wrong for any citizen to declare their government null but when did people lose the right to create a government that represents their own interest?

The individual and the right to live their life as they please is supreme and supercedes the right of any government to exist.

 

[ihopehefails]

No amendment required. It's there in the constitution already. Look at the words "more perfect union" in the preamble.

The preamble gives no power to the federal government and takes away no powers from the states. It's simply a general statement of why they crafted the Constitution.

Sez you. The union was meant to be in perpetuity. More perfect can't get any clearer than that in intent.

Next you will be saying the Union existed before time and space and predated the earth and will supercede the Earth after the sun expands and consumes in about 4 billion years.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

The constitution strictly says that the federal government may only dictate to a state about what it can do when the constitution says they can about things that are prohibited to them. All other powers are reserved for the state and the last time I checked there is nothing in the constitution that says a state can't depart.

I don't think that states should leave but it is still a right that they have which makes the union a voluntary union of states that can leave and stay as they please. The civil war did not alter the constitution with new amendments forbidding each state from leaving. It only made the idea of leaving unthinkable because we know their would be a war where any state that wants to leave will be crushed by the US armed forces. This situation is not the path to freedom but to tyranny of the federal government because how can you say each state enjoys a status of being free if the federal government interferes with their own domestic affairs and forbids them from forming their own federation with other states or countries for that matter.

If you are talking about TX and you live there, please leave. Thank you.

ROFLMNAO...

If Texas were to secede... there'd be little choice for Americans to follow America to Texas.

With that said, Texas, nor any other state is seceding... PERIOD.

Although, it would be nice if the left would find a state or a couple that share a common boarder and do so...

It'd make it SO much easier... to finish them off.

 

[Lord Capatain]

The OP is correct. Secession is a legitimate right of the states.

No, actually it isn't, per the Supreme Court: Texas vs White

If it ain't a right, then the theory of social contract just got reversed. If there's no voluntary union, that means it's a union based on the threat of violence. If you try and leave, the Federal Government kick the sh*t out of you!

Have you forgotten the Confederate War for Independence?

 

[Lord Capatain]

No, actually it isn't, per the Supreme Court: Texas vs White

Where's the constitutional amendment making it illegal?

No amendment required. It's there in the constitution already. Look at the words "more perfect union" in the preamble.

"More perfect union" means tyranny?

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

No, actually it isn't, per the Supreme Court: Texas vs White

Where's the constitutional amendment making it illegal?

No amendment required. It's there in the constitution already. Look at the words "more perfect union" in the preamble.

The Preamble does not give the federal government any powers.

 

[Elutherian]

No, actually it isn't, per the Supreme Court: Texas vs White

If it ain't a right, then the theory of social contract just got reversed. If there's no voluntary union, that means it's a union based on the threat of violence. If you try and leave, the Federal Government kick the sh*t out of you!

Have you forgotten the Confederate War for Independence?

Hell no I didn't forget. Lincoln was a whole lot of crazy... talking about a "Perpetual" union. Yeah, he saved the union all right. And if my wife leaves me I can "save my union" by hunting her down, beating her senseless, then chaining her down in the basement. After all, that union was perpetual.

 

[Lord Capatain]

Did you mean to use the word secession???

Why all the talk of secession since the Republicans lost the election?

Some of us don't want to live under a communist government that we think Obama wants to create. You probably think its wrong for any citizen to declare their government null but when did people lose the right to create a government that represents their own interest?

The individual and the right to live their life as they please is supreme and supercedes the right of any government to exist.

Seeing as you didn't mind the growth of the Fed under the Republicans, I can only imagine that it's a race thing. Charges of his being a Muslim as though that's a crime only strengthen the point. The GOP has lost its mind.

 

[bodecea]

If it ain't a right, then the theory of social contract just got reversed. If there's no voluntary union, that means it's a union based on the threat of violence. If you try and leave, the Federal Government kick the sh*t out of you!

Have you forgotten the Confederate War for Independence?

Hell no I didn't forget. Lincoln was a whole lot of crazy... talking about a "Perpetual" union. Yeah, he saved the union all right. And if my wife leaves me I can "save my union" by hunting her down, beating her senseless, then chaining her down in the basement. After all, that union was perpetual.

Refresh my memory...who fired first?

 

[geauxtohell]

Traitors deserve the cold steel.

 

[Elutherian]

Have you forgotten the Confederate War for Independence?

Hell no I didn't forget. Lincoln was a whole lot of crazy... talking about a "Perpetual" union. Yeah, he saved the union all right. And if my wife leaves me I can "save my union" by hunting her down, beating her senseless, then chaining her down in the basement. After all, that union was perpetual.

Refresh my memory...who fired first?

Oh don't even get me started on that sh*t.

Fort Sumter was abandoned up until the States seceded from the Union, then Lincoln decided he better send some troops there. Of course South Carolina dissagreed with his claim to a military base in their state.
I don't know who fired first, but no one got shot, no one got killed. But good ol' honest abe got a propoganda campaign started to do what he was already planning to do anyways.

Sort of reminds me of 9/11... which was obviously much worse... being used as an excuse to invade Iraq.

 

[dilloduck]

This thread represents exactly what would happen should we ever elect anyone from the Constitutional Party and is why I would never vote for it.

 

[Elutherian]

Whatever happened to live and let live... if a state secedes, why you got to go all ballistic and make them obey the Federal Government. It's none of your damn business if a state decides to leave the union, if you want to know my opinion.

 

[Big Black Dog]

I think every state should leave the union until the federal government gets it act together and quits spending money like it's going out of style, quits giving away so much money to other countries that care little for us except for the money we give them, quits trying to be the playground bully and control the actions of the rest of the world, and quits the cycle of taxing just so they have more money to spend on stupid ideas like building tunnels so turtles who want to cross the road don't get run over by cars or bailing out companies that by right should go bankrupt. If all the states leave the union then the federal government can bail itself out of it troubles and then ask the states nicely if they would like to come back together. This time with a federal government that listens to the people rather than push them around. I forgot to mention too that the federal government should be willing to control it's own borders and keep illegal aliens out too. If not, what's left of the federal government can merge with Mexico and do as they please.

 

[geauxtohell]

Whatever happened to live and let live... if a state secedes, why you got to go all ballistic and make them obey the Federal Government. It's none of your damn business if a state decides to leave the union, if you want to know my opinion.

You opinion is irrelevant.

The union and consideration must and will be preserved.

Anyone who takes up arms against their nation does so at their own peril.

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

Traitors deserve the cold steel.

Non-violent secession is not treason.

 

[Elutherian]

Whatever happened to live and let live... if a state secedes, why you got to go all ballistic and make them obey the Federal Government. It's none of your damn business if a state decides to leave the union, if you want to know my opinion.

You opinion is irrelevant.

The union and consideration must and will be preserved.

Anyone who takes up arms against their nation does so at their own peril.

Who said anything about taking up arms? You do realize that without secession we would all be talking with a brittish accent.