Subsidizing your own destruction

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    The Warped US Tax System: Taxpayers Subsidize Their Own Destruction | The Nation

    Conservatives constantly exalt the glories of the free market, except there’s nothing free about taxpayers subsidizing the anti-union behavior of companies like Boeing. This kind of corporate welfare system is rigged to force citizens to bankroll their own destruction. If every company followed the Boeing model, there would be no unions, no collective bargaining and no assurance for the majority of poor workers that they can have any protection from their corporate overlords.

    Quite simply, Boeing wouldn’t be able to prosper without the state, and by default, its taxpayers. It’s time they show a little respect for the people assisting the company’s copious growth.


    It's interesting to witness public gestalt move the terminology goal posts of conservative, conservatism, or otherwise known as the people wary of change to being tools of what basically is the essence of change

    corporatism in America has done a fine job of convincing them to slice their neighbors throat, without the reality that they, in an indirect , yet eminently palpable way, slice their own in the process....
     
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    Few elite classes ever lost money counting on the stupidity of the public, Steve.

    Piqueue the conceits of the workers and they'll cut the throats of their neighbors if they believe that their masters will cover for them legally.
     
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    So we need to all bow down to mighty massah state, and thank them for taking 1/3 of our paycheck every year. I wonder if libs can show respect to those funding thier pet programs, but i doubt it. People who favor class war need a boogeyman to rail against, while at the same time using thier money as they see fit.

    Isn't Boeing one of the biggest union employers in the country? Even if they found that plant in Carolina, whats really to stop them from forming a union there?

    Boeing's job is to make planes. It will continue to make planes in the seattle area. It sees it in its best interest, however, to hedge its bets and build a factory to build planes elsewhere in case there are issues at its main facility.
     
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    The unions wouldn't be able to prosper without the state and it's taxpayers either, maybe if they had been a little more reasonable in their demands and a little less willing to strike, it wouldn't have come to this. Seriously, you really think they should have a seat on the board and a guarantee that airplanes will not be built anywhere else?
     
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    A seat on the board I could deal with, its only 1 seat, and maybe hearing from the workers would help. But the whole no airplanes anywhere else guarantee is a stretch.
     
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    Seems to me this corporate welfare thing is a bit one-sided. Sure, nobody likes paying subsidies one way or another to the big corps who are already making mega profits. If it was me I'd drop corporate taxes altogether, and go to a flat tax rate with no deductions, exemptions, breaks, or loopholes. But here's the problem: in some cases, US companies cannot compete with their foreign competitors, because our labor costs are too high. So, we either subsidize or we lose manufacturing jobs.

    Why? Cuz money gravitates towards places where it can earn the most return. In todays global market, if Boeing isn't making enough profit then investors will go elsewhere, it's a simple as that. Probably we're paying for subsidies that make no sense, and somebody should be looking into all of and cutting the ones that are no longer effective. If we don't go to to a flat tax that is.

    As far as the unions go, they're going to have to realize it's a different world from when they ruled the roost. Either they have to work with management or in a lot of cases their jobs are going out the window.
     
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    Unions never ruled the roost.

    The corporations have ruled for decades now.
     
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    You don't think the union strikes have greatly influenced management and business decisions over the last century? How about you address the issue instead of nitpicking a choice or words.
     
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    How about you realize that human beings need a living wage.

    How about you realize that AMERICANS have rights that are greater than the rights of corporations.


    That is how the founders intended it.

    Why do you hate what the founders left us?
     
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    What I hate is that progressive liberals have changed so much of what the founders left us. The America we have today is fundamentally different in terms of rights and gov't from what it was then.
     

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