Stupak: "Legitimate" For BP Escrow Account To Fund Health Care

[Old Rocks]

Bullshit...In this case, it's called "mooching".

No, actually it's called repayment for civil and criminal liability.

But of course you're going to side with the corporation no matter what.

Is the modern "Libertarian" really nothing but a corporate oligarchist?

Why is it that you always seem to side with the corporations no matter what?

I'll go with the maker over the taker any day of the week.

Sometimes you win...Sometimes you lose...Sometimes it rains...But you can bet your ass that I'll be the last one crying to Big Daddy Big Gubmint that "life just ain't faaaaaaiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrr!"

Dude, you will go with the corperation every time. No matter what. You are for the corperatists state. That is your political ideology, you have expressed it many times on this board. And you and the rest here well know what that ideology is.

 

[jillian]

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for the people in the GULF who lost their insurance b/c they lost their job b/c of BP's actions.

 

[Old Rocks]

Loses their ability to pay for health care.

Why would that not be a legitimate claim against BP?

In the real world, when a person loses their job, their income is the measure of the lost income. Having lost their job, they are elibible for COBRA benefits which they may purchase from the settlement paid by BP.

If these people would have had a job except that the job was eliminated by the stoppage of the drilling mandated by the Big 0, should the Big 0 be made liable for those payments. In your world? In the real world?

In the "Blame Game", do we assign punishment in accord to the action or in accord to the entity's political advantage?

Another defender of the corperatist state chimes in. Well, the majority of Americans sure don't think that the fellow that lost his means of making a living is at fault here, as you
Fascists do.

But keep talking just like you are right now. You and Barton will make this a very interesting mid-term election.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, for sure my anger about what is happening in the Gulf is showing. One of the jewels of our nation, providing recreation, food, and beauty is being enormously degraded by the negligence of a corperation. A corperation that has a track record of negligence. And tens of thousands of my fellow Americans find themselves without a means of making a living.

Yet, we find a bunch of people defending the negligent party, and saying the hell with their fellow Americans. The Conservatives of this nation are no longer sane. Ideology and opposition to the present President outweighs all other considerations. It does not matter to them how much their actions harm their fellow Americans, as long as it follow the corpertatist philosophy that presently rules their actions, it is fine with them.

Now these assholes having been slinging the word Fascist around for a long time. But look up the definition of the word. And whose philosophy does it fit?

 

[rightwinger]

Well, for sure my anger about what is happening in the Gulf is showing. One of the jewels of our nation, providing recreation, food, and beauty is being enormously degraded by the negligence of a corperation. A corperation that has a track record of negligence. And tens of thousands of my fellow Americans find themselves without a means of making a living.

Yet, we find a bunch of people defending the negligent party, and saying the hell with their fellow Americans. The Conservatives of this nation are no longer sane. Ideology and opposition to the present President outweighs all other considerations. It does not matter to them how much their actions harm their fellow Americans, as long as it follow the corpertatist philosophy that presently rules their actions, it is fine with them.

Now these assholes having been slinging the word Fascist around for a long time. But look up the definition of the word. And whose philosophy does it fit?

Its not so much that they support BP, but that they hate Obama. Their hatred is such that they think they must oppose everything Obama does regardless of how much sense it makes. How could any sane American not believe that BP should be responsible for their damages?

 

[jillian]

Well, for sure my anger about what is happening in the Gulf is showing. One of the jewels of our nation, providing recreation, food, and beauty is being enormously degraded by the negligence of a corperation. A corperation that has a track record of negligence. And tens of thousands of my fellow Americans find themselves without a means of making a living.

Yet, we find a bunch of people defending the negligent party, and saying the hell with their fellow Americans. The Conservatives of this nation are no longer sane. Ideology and opposition to the present President outweighs all other considerations. It does not matter to them how much their actions harm their fellow Americans, as long as it follow the corpertatist philosophy that presently rules their actions, it is fine with them.

Now these assholes having been slinging the word Fascist around for a long time. But look up the definition of the word. And whose philosophy does it fit?

Its not so much that they support BP, but that they hate Obama. Their hatred is such that they think they must oppose everything Obama does regardless of how much sense it makes. How could any sane American not believe that BP should be responsible for their damages?

look at the 'apology' made to bp by the corpratist tool barton... extrapolate it out to the lunatic 20% of the population.

 

[code1211]

Loses their ability to pay for health care.

Why would that not be a legitimate claim against BP?

In the real world, when a person loses their job, their income is the measure of the lost income. Having lost their job, they are elibible for COBRA benefits which they may purchase from the settlement paid by BP.

If these people would have had a job except that the job was eliminated by the stoppage of the drilling mandated by the Big 0, should the Big 0 be made liable for those payments. In your world? In the real world?

In the "Blame Game", do we assign punishment in accord to the action or in accord to the entity's political advantage?

Another defender of the corperatist state chimes in. Well, the majority of Americans sure don't think that the fellow that lost his means of making a living is at fault here, as you
Fascists do.

But keep talking just like you are right now. You and Barton will make this a very interesting mid-term election.

You didn't answer my question. If the jobs were lost due to the ill planned action of the Big 0, should the Big 0 foot the bill for the resulting job losses?

 

[boedicca]

RealClearPolitics - Video - Stupak: "Legitimate" For BP Escrow Account To Fund Health Care

What this idiot has done has exposed the INTENT of what Obama did unlawfully.

After they bleed BP dry? They'll go after the next victim.

The intent of the Obama Administration is to take over as much of our economy, assets, income, and liberty as possible. If they get their hands on the escrow account, it will be abused just as the Social Security Trust Fund and all other pools of specific purpose money have been.

 

[rightwinger]

RealClearPolitics - Video - Stupak: "Legitimate" For BP Escrow Account To Fund Health Care

What this idiot has done has exposed the INTENT of what Obama did unlawfully.

After they bleed BP dry? They'll go after the next victim.

The intent of the Obama Administration is to take over as much of our economy, assets, income, and liberty as possible. If they get their hands on the escrow account, it will be abused just as the Social Security Trust Fund and all other pools of specific purpose money have been.

Rightwing nonsense....

Boogeyman is gunna get ya!

 

[Cuyo]

RealClearPolitics - Video - Stupak: "Legitimate" For BP Escrow Account To Fund Health Care

Ummmmm, healthcare of the victims is what he said. What's wrong with that?

 

[code1211]

Well, for sure my anger about what is happening in the Gulf is showing. One of the jewels of our nation, providing recreation, food, and beauty is being enormously degraded by the negligence of a corperation. A corperation that has a track record of negligence. And tens of thousands of my fellow Americans find themselves without a means of making a living.

Yet, we find a bunch of people defending the negligent party, and saying the hell with their fellow Americans. The Conservatives of this nation are no longer sane. Ideology and opposition to the present President outweighs all other considerations. It does not matter to them how much their actions harm their fellow Americans, as long as it follow the corpertatist philosophy that presently rules their actions, it is fine with them.

Now these assholes having been slinging the word Fascist around for a long time. But look up the definition of the word. And whose philosophy does it fit?[/QUOTE]


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Obama demands without due process that BP pay 20 Billion. Obama fired the head of GM. Obama illegally used TARP Funds to bail out industry. Obama ignors law to gain the votes of illegal aliens and is actively engaged in stopping Arizona from doing the job that the Big 0 constrains his enforcement authorities from performing. He is actively enforcing his authority both by commission and omission effectively dictating his own beliefs in favor of lagally passed laws and Constitutional intent.

Obama's minions attack and deride any criticism, are in the process of regulating the internet, want to regulate and constrain what is said on radio, wanted to shut out a news organization that disagrees with Obama's message and prefers to issue statements over answering questions in a public forum.

Obama nationalized GM, has nationalized Fannie and Freddie, contols the banking industry through intimidation, wants to regulate all industry under Cap & Trade, forced the sale of Chrysler and is in the process of taking over the entire medical insurance segement of the economy which is worth one sixth of 13 Trillion dollars.

Obama is fiercly Nationalistic, but, unfortunately, he favors all nations except the USA. To bad...

Rascist? You bet! He's every bit as racist as any Black Panther. That incident in which he charged, with no knowledge of or information on the incident, that the cops had acted stupidly says all that needs to be said. His default position is racist.

So the only component of Fascism missing from the Big 0's administration is Nationalism.

Care to re-examine your position?

 

[code1211]

What this idiot has done has exposed the INTENT of what Obama did unlawfully.

After they bleed BP dry? They'll go after the next victim.

The intent of the Obama Administration is to take over as much of our economy, assets, income, and liberty as possible. If they get their hands on the escrow account, it will be abused just as the Social Security Trust Fund and all other pools of specific purpose money have been.

Rightwing nonsense....

Boogeyman is gunna get ya!

Can you cite even one chunk of cash that the Feds control that is not abused and spent outside of the purposes to which it was promised?

 

[Cuyo]

Obama demands without due process that BP pay 20 Billion. Obama fired the head of GM. Obama illegally used TARP Funds to bail out industry. Obama ignors law to gain the votes of illegal aliens and is actively engaged in stopping Arizona from doing the job that the Big 0 constrains his enforcement authorities from performing. He is actively enforcing his authority both by commission and omission effectively dictating his own beliefs in favor of lagally passed laws and Constitutional intent.

The White House, on behalf of the United States populace, negotiated with BP and came up with a solution of escrowing moneys to pay victims claims; A provision to which BP agreed. No function of law was necessary. The government is not "Taking" that money; It's being safekept in a manner that will survive potential bankruptcy of BP.

Obama's minions attack and deride any criticism, are in the process of regulating the internet, want to regulate and constrain what is said on radio, wanted to shut out a news organization that disagrees with Obama's message and prefers to issue statements over answering questions in a public forum.

99% of the criticism is nonsense. Radical extreme rightists have hijacked your party; The talking heads, the Palinites, the teabaggers. Those who benefited most from crony capitalism are pulling the strings, the rest are successfully duped into echoing their nonsense.

Obama nationalized GM, has nationalized Fannie and Freddie, contols the banking industry through intimidation, wants to regulate all industry under Cap & Trade, forced the sale of Chrysler and is in the process of taking over the entire medical insurance segement of the economy which is worth one sixth of 13 Trillion dollars.

Bought controlling stock in a number of companies to prevent them from going under; Stock which will eventually be sold back into the private sector. When we did this to save Chrysler's ass a number of years back, the taxpayer actually MADE money on the deal.

Obama is fiercly Nationalistic, but, unfortunately, he favors all nations except the USA. To bad...

Rascist? You bet! He's every bit as racist as any Black Panther. That incident in which he charged, with no knowledge of or information on the incident, that the cops had acted stupidly says all that needs to be said. His default position is racist.

The cops did act stupidly; Arresting a guy for trespassing in his own house? Doesn't get much stupider than that.

So the only component of Fascism missing from the Big 0's administration is Nationalism.

Care to re-examine your position?

Nope, I still hold the position that you're a blowhard, and you really have nigh the slightest clue what is coming out of your mouth...er... keyboard as it were.

 

[Rozman]

I believe until told other wise it is the intention of the Obama administration to use the windfall from the BP disaster to fund their Health Care Bill.Typical liberal government bull **** they get their hands on money and of course it's somebody elses money and they can't wait to spend it.

 

[Jeremy]

Are these idiots really that tyranical or are they just stupid? I think both. And is anyone in the media going after him for suggesting that the money should go to anything but aid for the oil spill vicitims? What a greedy backstabbing little FUCK!!

Case in point. This idiot thinks he is talking about someone not a victim of the oil spill.

And then of course Dud jumps on the bandwagon.

If you got hit in the mouth would it break Obama's cock? Or maybe you're too busy tounge punching Palosi in the fart box. But I digress....
So does a Red Lobster waitress in Alaska, that is laid off because the higher costs have driven out customer's, have a claim? And if the restaurant closes does the Food Service truck driver, that is laid off due to fewer deliveries and higher deisel costs, also have a claim? Than I suppose the gas station owner, that closes shop due to a drop in deisel sales to the food service fleet, also has a claim. The fact that BP will have to create this 20 billion dollar escrow account over the next several years is not a bad thing. But having the federal government managing and underwritting it's claims is what is going to cause massive amounts of fraud and misuse. Maybe we can ALL file a claim for compensation due to the higher costs of seafood. I can't wait to see how this money is spent in the end.

 

[sangha]

RealClearPolitics - Video - Stupak: "Legitimate" For BP Escrow Account To Fund Health Care

What this idiot has done has exposed the INTENT of what Obama did unlawfully.

After they bleed BP dry? They'll go after the next victim.

The intent of the Obama Administration is to take over as much of our economy, assets, income, and liberty as possible. If they get their hands on the escrow account, it will be abused just as the Social Security Trust Fund and all other pools of specific purpose money have been.

Who told you about our plan??

Actually, it doesn't matter. We are well on our way to making the US a socialist heaven. We've got BP. Now it's time to go after all the other corporations that support republicans. Next up, we take guns away, but only from conservatives.

And the cowardly conservatives you morons vote for are going to do the same thing about this as you are......NOTHING

 

[rdean]

I'm not feeling the love.

Why exactly are conservatives desperately trying to make gulf coast residents pay for this disaster caused by BP, a foreign company?

I'm wondering if the middle class is finally understanding which party is on their side?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-f...-conservative-exceptionalism.html#post2425152

 

[code1211]

Obama demands without due process that BP pay 20 Billion. Obama fired the head of GM. Obama illegally used TARP Funds to bail out industry. Obama ignors law to gain the votes of illegal aliens and is actively engaged in stopping Arizona from doing the job that the Big 0 constrains his enforcement authorities from performing. He is actively enforcing his authority both by commission and omission effectively dictating his own beliefs in favor of lagally passed laws and Constitutional intent.

The White House, on behalf of the United States populace, negotiated with BP and came up with a solution of escrowing moneys to pay victims claims; A provision to which BP agreed. No function of law was necessary. The government is not "Taking" that money; It's being safekept in a manner that will survive potential bankruptcy of BP.

Obama's minions attack and deride any criticism, are in the process of regulating the internet, want to regulate and constrain what is said on radio, wanted to shut out a news organization that disagrees with Obama's message and prefers to issue statements over answering questions in a public forum.

99% of the criticism is nonsense. Radical extreme rightists have hijacked your party; The talking heads, the Palinites, the teabaggers. Those who benefited most from crony capitalism are pulling the strings, the rest are successfully duped into echoing their nonsense.



Bought controlling stock in a number of companies to prevent them from going under; Stock which will eventually be sold back into the private sector. When we did this to save Chrysler's ass a number of years back, the taxpayer actually MADE money on the deal.

Obama is fiercly Nationalistic, but, unfortunately, he favors all nations except the USA. To bad...

Rascist? You bet! He's every bit as racist as any Black Panther. That incident in which he charged, with no knowledge of or information on the incident, that the cops had acted stupidly says all that needs to be said. His default position is racist.

The cops did act stupidly; Arresting a guy for trespassing in his own house? Doesn't get much stupider than that.

So the only component of Fascism missing from the Big 0's administration is Nationalism.

Care to re-examine your position?

Nope, I still hold the position that you're a blowhard, and you really have nigh the slightest clue what is coming out of your mouth...er... keyboard as it were.

Without taking each point by point, denying the intent of what is happening and placing trust in those who hope to strip away your freedoms and your wealth are not prudent paths to liberty.

You are a partisan devotee and may have a serious crush on the Big 0. A restraining order may be in your future. That point about the cops arresting a guy for ttrespassing in his own home is just wrong. If that is how you understand that incident, you are willfully ignoring the the actual facts as reported in all media outlets.

Willful ignorance is a required trait for your belief system.

There are none so blind...

 

[code1211]

I'm not feeling the love.

Why exactly are conservatives desperately trying to make gulf coast residents pay for this disaster caused by BP, a foreign company?

I'm wondering if the middle class is finally understanding which party is on their side?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-f...-conservative-exceptionalism.html#post2425152

The middle class should get a pretty good clue on this as their tax cuts expire, their employers cut their health care and the price of gas rises to $5.00 per gallon.

I have no problem at all with BP paying for the damages related to the oil spill. It's the process. There was no negotiation in the sense of real negotiations. It was the Godfather style negotiation technique. "When I leave this room, your signature or your brains will be on this contract." That is technically a negotiation, but factually, not at all.

That was the negotiation technique of the Administration.

If, on the other hand, this is a negotiation in the truest sense of the word, what was given up to BP? No word on that.

If one team in the negotiation has a gun on the table and the other is allowed only to agree, that is not a negotiation. It is something else.

If you endorse this use of authority for one, you endorse it for all. What will be your attitude when they come to your table?

 

[editec]

BP might very well have so screwed up this entire region that the economic fallout leads to all sorts of problems.

And yes, BP ought to be held accountable for each and every problem that stems from their mess.

Frankly, BP's total assets will not amount to anywhere near the total lost economy that could result from this mess.

But if we have to strip BP of every asset to help compensate the people that BP screwed, I'm not going to shed a tear for that company.