Stupak: "Legitimate" For BP Escrow Account To Fund Health Care

[rdean]

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So you think that gulf coast citizens should pay for the clean up?

Do you also think they should pay for the demolished rig, after all, it wasn't very nice forcing BP to drill in such deep water.

 

[ConHog]

For instance, the question is brought up, pay for all of the health care for the people in the Gulf. No, but Ithink those who lost their job, then lost their health care would be legitimate."

Willow.....do you read what you post?

If someone had a job relying on the Gulf Coast and lost it because of the spill and in the process lost their healthcare, shouldn't BP make it right?

Do you think before you type? The only person is America who loses their health care is the person who dies. Everyone else has a right to health care. Now if you want to discuss health care INSURANCE that is a different matter.

 

[rightwinger]

For instance, the question is brought up, pay for all of the health care for the people in the Gulf. No, but Ithink those who lost their job, then lost their health care would be legitimate."

Willow.....do you read what you post?

If someone had a job relying on the Gulf Coast and lost it because of the spill and in the process lost their healthcare, shouldn't BP make it right?

Do you think before you type? The only person is America who loses their health care is the person who dies. Everyone else has a right to health care. Now if you want to discuss health care INSURANCE that is a different matter.

Is that really the best you can come up with?

We are talking insurance here. If the employee lost his job because of the spill, BP should not only pay for lost wages but lost health insurance.

That is what Stupak was saying

 

[ConHog]

Willow.....do you read what you post?

If someone had a job relying on the Gulf Coast and lost it because of the spill and in the process lost their healthcare, shouldn't BP make it right?

Do you think before you type? The only person is America who loses their health care is the person who dies. Everyone else has a right to health care. Now if you want to discuss health care INSURANCE that is a different matter.

Is that really the best you can come up with?

We are talking insurance here. If the employee lost his job because of the spill, BP should not only pay for lost wages but lost health insurance.

That is what Stupak was saying

And I'm in agreement IF that person HAD insurance before, if you didn't have it then, tough shit now.

I'm only saying stop acting like any one is going to die down there due to lack of health care if BP doesn't have to provide insurance, it's not true.

 

[Ravi]

I totally agree....But I think we need to take this a step further.

Let's say Oysterman can't work and because of this he starts to feel depressed so he starts to drink again,then he feels lonely and unloved so he calls a few buddies and goes to a strip club that he normally would not visit.He ends up closing the place down and leaves with one of the strippers called Joe.Well he thought this lady was the cutest thing and who can blame him since he drank 13 beers and a few shots.Well as it turns out Joe was really not short for Josephine it was short for....well it was short for Joe.So he ends up in divorce court and becomes the talk of the town...Well BP is responsible right.

Or how bout this. I am starting to feel out of sorts because of all this and will start to look for a lib lawyer to represent me...I wonder what John Edwards is up to...

Stay tuned I have a bunch of What if's for Oysterman.
Typical libs always looking for ways to spend other peoples money.

That was somewhat amusing but is it your opinion that there are no legitimate claims against BP?

The amount of LEGAL claims against BP will be tremendous...We don't need to go way out there to punish\to jump on the bandwagon\to stick it to BP because they have the money.
You know how it is with people.They get in a car accident and they feel they hit the lottery.
The people who file bullshit claims will hurt the legitimate claimants.You used a poor example maybe.This "Oysterman" bears no responsibility for the life he led?.So now we have the "Golden Goose" to pay through the nose.You start with this and the only ones who will make out on this will be the lawyers.

Ah, it is the oysterman's fault for making his living off the Gulf. I imagine you also think it is always the victim's fault...

 

[Article 15]

The "tough shit" attitude and tendency to kneejerk and side with corporate overloads after they squash thousands of little people that many Libertarians seem to take on probably has something to do with why they rarely muster more than a sliver of the vote in general elections.

 

[code1211]

Loses their ability to pay for health care.

Why would that not be a legitimate claim against BP?

In the real world, when a person loses their job, their income is the measure of the lost income. Having lost their job, they are elibible for COBRA benefits which they may purchase from the settlement paid by BP.

If these people would have had a job except that the job was eliminated by the stoppage of the drilling mandated by the Big 0, should the Big 0 be made liable for those payments. In your world? In the real world?

In the "Blame Game", do we assign punishment in accord to the action or in accord to the entity's political advantage?

 

[code1211]

Dude, PEOPLE DO lose their healthcare....even though there is COBRA where you can continue it....the price is abot 60%-80% MORE than what you were paying as your portion as an employee...5 years ago, when my husband had been downsized and lost his job....he was paying $200 a month for heath care insurance and on COBRA it was $650 a month....

when you lose your job even with unemployment insurance, it is near impossible to pay that kind of fee each month to continue ones coverage.

healthcare insurance, IS considered compensation in ones employment....every corp i worked for, at the end of the year, sent me a summary of what my total compensation was as an executive....they listed what they paid of my SS retirement,what they matched in 401k, what they paid as their portion of my healthcare insurance, what they paid in life insurance for me, what i got as a Bonus, and what i made in salary etc as my TOTAL COMPENSATION.

if bp is going to owe these people for what they have LOST by not being able to work anymore, then it is only JUST that their total compensation be the goal post imo....after all, they would still have a job and their health care insurance benefit is part of that....

absolutely this is fair, for those who lost it due to this catastrophe.

The Big 0 shut down drilling. His mandate was an arbitrary, aren't all of his decisions arbitrary, an arbitrary 6 months. All of the lost jobs that result from this are DIRECTLY atriobutable to this mandate.

Most of the job losses from the BP oil leak are not directly attributable. Most are the result of the ripples like decreased tourism and such.

Should Barrack Obama be personnaly responsible for all of the incomes of all of the workers on all of the rigs that have been shut down? All of the sailors on all of the ships that would have transported that oil? All of the refinery workers that won't be working due to no oil to refine?

How about my increased gas prices next winter when the oil shortage starts to run up the prices? The increased gas prices for my driving vacation this year?

If it's right and just to assign blame and demand reparations from one culpable entity, why not another? Do you exact justice based on the actions of the guilty or on the party affiliation of the perpetrator?

If the government had been diligent in performing inspections, we would not need shut downs to inspect right now. The standards would be clear, the rigs would be safe and the water would be clean.

Obviously, the "contributions" were abundant, the Big 0 was elected and the water is oily.

The Chicago Way.

 

[The T]

because we the people are already on the hook to provide health care for those who cannot afford it. that's called double dipping.. asswipe.

Shouldn't we be glad to have BP on the hook instead of sinking we the people over it???

BP is supposed to pay the people of the Gulf coast for their lost wages, their lost business, the clean up.. we the people already cover health care for all ameircans or did you miss that shyster vote in the Senate. the libturds are going to demonize and browbeat BP right into declaring bankruptcy then we the people will pick up the entire tab.

Exactly. Then they'll move to paint another target and ruin them.

 

[code1211]

Bullshit...In this case, it's called "mooching".

No, actually it's called repayment for civil and criminal liability.
But of course you're going to side with the corporation no matter what.

Is the modern "Libertarian" really nothing but a corporate oligarchist?

Why is it that you always seem to side with the corporations no matter what?

Aside from donating heavily to elect Democrats and bribing the inspectors to not inspect, what criminal activity did BP perform?

These seem like conspiracy type crimes to me. Did the Big 0 get any money from BP?

 

[The T]

Bullshit...In this case, it's called "mooching".

No, actually it's called repayment for civil and criminal liability.
But of course you're going to side with the corporation no matter what.

Is the modern "Libertarian" really nothing but a corporate oligarchist?

Why is it that you always seem to side with the corporations no matter what?

Aside from donating heavily to elect Democrats and bribing the inspectors to not inspect, what criminal activity did BP perform?

These seem like conspiracy type crimes to me. Did the Big 0 get any money from BP?

They know he did...as did the Democrat Party.

 

[Rozman]

You gotta know folks whatever money the government gets from BP, Obama and his cronies will find a way to get their hands on it,they will spend it and then go to BP for more.They will spend it to finance their Health Care Bill.These guys spend money with both hands.And when it's gone they spend more whether they have it or not.

 

[The T]

You gotta know folks whatever money the government gets from BP, Obama and his cronies will find a way to get their hands on it,they will spend it and then go to BP for more.They will spend it to finance their Health Care Bill.These guys spend money with both hands.And when it's gone they spend more whether they have it or not.

And anyone that belives that it will be administered by a 'disinterested' Third Party is fooling themselves. I wonder how many hoops these people will have to jump through for any payment?

 

[rightwinger]

Do you think before you type? The only person is America who loses their health care is the person who dies. Everyone else has a right to health care. Now if you want to discuss health care INSURANCE that is a different matter.

Is that really the best you can come up with?

We are talking insurance here. If the employee lost his job because of the spill, BP should not only pay for lost wages but lost health insurance.

That is what Stupak was saying

And I'm in agreement IF that person HAD insurance before, if you didn't have it then, tough shit now.

I'm only saying stop acting like any one is going to die down there due to lack of health care if BP doesn't have to provide insurance, it's not true.

BP has to make good on their damages. If someone had a healthcare plan and lost it due to the spill, that is legitmate damage. That is why Stupak said he did not think the fund should be used to pay for healtcare in the Gulf and that is why Willow is an idiot

 

[Old Rocks]

RealClearPolitics - Video - Stupak: "Legitimate" For BP Escrow Account To Fund Health Care

So what Rep. Stupak is saying is that if you lost your job and the health care that goes with it because of BP's criminal negligence, the fund will pay for your health care as well as the lost wages. Since health care is a benefit that is considered part of the job package, that sounds right to me.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Stupak: "Legitimate" For BP Escrow Account To Fund Health Care

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.): "I think we had to have someone say this is where you can go without limiting your criminal liability or civil liability.For instance, the question is brought up, pay for all of the health care for the people in the Gulf. No, but Ithink those who lost their job, then lost their health care would be legitimate."

 

[rightwinger]

You gotta know folks whatever money the government gets from BP, Obama and his cronies will find a way to get their hands on it,they will spend it and then go to BP for more.They will spend it to finance their Health Care Bill.These guys spend money with both hands.And when it's gone they spend more whether they have it or not.

And anyone that belives that it will be administered by a 'disinterested' Third Party is fooling themselves. I wonder how many hoops these people will have to jump through for any payment?

The idea is to remove the hoops and allow people to draw from a pre-established fund.

The right wing "plan"is to force people to get a lawyer and sue BP for damages. As in the Exon Valdez spill, this could take decades

 

[Old Rocks]

RealClearPolitics - Video - Stupak: "Legitimate" For BP Escrow Account To Fund Health Care

What this idiot has done has exposed the INTENT of what Obama did unlawfully.

After they bleed BP dry? They'll go after the next victim.

Ah, so we now see who you really care for. A multi-national corperation, through criminal negligence has deprived tens of thousands of Americans of their means of making a living, and you are defending the corperation.

You are a peice of shit.

 

[Old Rocks]

Are these idiots really that tyranical or are they just stupid? I think both. And is anyone in the media going after him for suggesting that the money should go to anything but aid for the oil spill vicitims? What a greedy backstabbing little FUCK!!

Did you read what Rep. Stupak stated, or are you just another goddamned ditto head?

God you people are so damned stupid!

 

[Old Rocks]

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.): "I think we had to have someone say this is where you can go without limiting your criminal liability or civil liability. For instance, the question is brought up, pay for all of the health care for the people in the Gulf. No, but I think those who lost their job, then lost their health care would be legitimate."

hmmm....say an oysterman loses his business because of the oil spill and can no longer afford health care. Then he has a heart attack and needs immediate attention and therapy.

Then, let's say that monkeys fly out his butt and he needs even more therapy?

BTW, nobody ever loses their "health care", per se...They only make a choice as to whether they'll keep up the payments to the third party to pay for any health services that they may receive.

But who ever expects honest semantics form socialist do-gooders?

Let's just say that you are mental, a real asshole that does not even deserve to be called an American. BP's negligence has deprived tens of thousands of Americans of a means of making a living, and you wish to make their plight even worse.

Your true colors are real clear, you really need to go down and voice your sentiments along the Gulf Coast.

 

[Old Rocks]

because we the people are already on the hook to provide health care for those who cannot afford it. that's called double dipping.. asswipe.

Oh, I see. You'd rather have the taxpayers pay for it.

the taxpayer pays for every damn thing you libturds beg for.

Lordy, lordy, how much you fucked up Conservatives do hate your fellow Americans.