Story from my wife, do you see this often in your hospital waiting rooms?

[SweetSue92]

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

My dad had was in the ER for 7 hours and then taken to a hospital 3 hours away.

That's in the States. So, let's cut the shit on the scare stories on "socialized" health care. The speed in which you can obtain certain types of surgeries in Canada depends on where you live. Canada is a mixture.

The ER in most hospitals here is usually overcrowded. There is no alternative after 6. Urgent Care places close about 8.

The truth is there are good and bad points in each case. Neither is perfect, that's for sure. But for me I surely don't want the government in charge of my health care. No way.

Canada has a private/public health care. So, if you are living in the boondocks and you need a specific surgery and there is one surgeon that can preform the surgery in a 350 mile radius......you're going to see a wait list.

Yep, I hear you. The most trustworthy people in charge of health care are those that are exploiting for profit.

Sure. Human nature is what it is. You might get, say, half of drs. who are truly in it to help humanity--out of the "goodness of their hearts". Half are not, or get jaded. So if you are on a gov't system and they are all paid the same, how are you going to motivate them to continue to do good work without a profit motive?

The problem with all forms of socialism is that it imagines that humanity is not what it is. It imagines we are something better.

As does the free market philosophy. It all looks good on paper. Hospitals don't pay property taxes. We the people pay that for them.

No, the free market philosophy posits that we are motivated by self-interest. Which I find is usually the truth.

 

[SweetSue92]

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

My dad had was in the ER for 7 hours and then taken to a hospital 3 hours away.

That's in the States. So, let's cut the shit on the scare stories on "socialized" health care. The speed in which you can obtain certain types of surgeries in Canada depends on where you live. Canada is a mixture.

The ER in most hospitals here is usually overcrowded. There is no alternative after 6. Urgent Care places close about 8.

The truth is there are good and bad points in each case. Neither is perfect, that's for sure. But for me I surely don't want the government in charge of my health care. No way.

Canada has a private/public health care. So, if you are living in the boondocks and you need a specific surgery and there is one surgeon that can preform the surgery in a 350 mile radius......you're going to see a wait list.

Yep, I hear you. The most trustworthy people in charge of health care are those that are exploiting for profit.

Sure. Human nature is what it is. You might get, say, half of drs. who are truly in it to help humanity--out of the "goodness of their hearts". Half are not, or get jaded. So if you are on a gov't system and they are all paid the same, how are you going to motivate them to continue to do good work without a profit motive?

The problem with all forms of socialism is that it imagines that humanity is not what it is. It imagines we are something
better.

Breaking News: Mount Carmel West Hospital in Grove City and near Columbus, Ohio. The Doctor has been charged with killing seven patients using Fentanyl and just after other patients caught Legionnaires Disease at the same hospital which killed four patients at the same hospital. Mount Carmel is a Catholic Hospital.

Well that's creepy as heck. Not sure what the hospital being Catholic has anything to do with it however. The hospital being Catholic does not mean anything about each doctor's faith.

 

[sparky]

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

Brought folks to the ER for 30 yrs, seen a lot of it

Listened to a lot of folks on rides, heard a lot of it

Been to the ER myself, lived it

thx

~S~

 

[sparky]

I don't make these stories up, they are all quite real. I'm not saying it is always like this, but I can tell you it is often like this, and it is getting worse, very quickly

Normally a triage nurse is present

~S~

 

[shockedcanadian]

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

My dad had was in the ER for 7 hours and then taken to a hospital 3 hours away.

That's in the States. So, let's cut the shit on the scare stories on "socialized" health care. The speed in which you can obtain certain types of surgeries in Canada depends on where you live. Canada is a mixture.

The ER in most hospitals here is usually overcrowded. There is no alternative after 6. Urgent Care places close about 8.

Healthcare is only one component of socialism you should be concerned about. Maybe not even the most worrisome, depending on your station in life.

Depending on my station? Fuck off with that shit. Socialism isn't coming to the US. There must be an election around the corner--it's time for another Red Scare.

List all of the policies presented by Trumps opponents and tell me that socialism isn't being pushed aggressively.

America knows not what they are in for. It's already beginning with social media and public shaming which is destroying careers and lives.

 

[Disir]

My dad had was in the ER for 7 hours and then taken to a hospital 3 hours away.

That's in the States. So, let's cut the shit on the scare stories on "socialized" health care. The speed in which you can obtain certain types of surgeries in Canada depends on where you live. Canada is a mixture.

The ER in most hospitals here is usually overcrowded. There is no alternative after 6. Urgent Care places close about 8.

The truth is there are good and bad points in each case. Neither is perfect, that's for sure. But for me I surely don't want the government in charge of my health care. No way.

Canada has a private/public health care. So, if you are living in the boondocks and you need a specific surgery and there is one surgeon that can preform the surgery in a 350 mile radius......you're going to see a wait list.

Yep, I hear you. The most trustworthy people in charge of health care are those that are exploiting for profit.

Sure. Human nature is what it is. You might get, say, half of drs. who are truly in it to help humanity--out of the "goodness of their hearts". Half are not, or get jaded. So if you are on a gov't system and they are all paid the same, how are you going to motivate them to continue to do good work without a profit motive?

The problem with all forms of socialism is that it imagines that humanity is not what it is. It imagines we are something better.

As does the free market philosophy. It all looks good on paper. Hospitals don't pay property taxes. We the people pay that for them.

No, the free market philosophy posits that we are motivated by self-interest. Which I find is usually the truth.

And it's why we have an immigration problem. Implementation of the free market economy into other countries.
That's what the IMF does.

It's all crap. Economics is the softest science ya got. It's all theory.

 

[Disir]

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

Brought folks to the ER for 30 yrs, seen a lot of it

Listened to a lot of folks on rides, heard a lot of it

Been to the ER myself, lived it

thx

~S~

That explains everything.

 

[SweetSue92]

The truth is there are good and bad points in each case. Neither is perfect, that's for sure. But for me I surely don't want the government in charge of my health care. No way.

Canada has a private/public health care. So, if you are living in the boondocks and you need a specific surgery and there is one surgeon that can preform the surgery in a 350 mile radius......you're going to see a wait list.

Yep, I hear you. The most trustworthy people in charge of health care are those that are exploiting for profit.

Sure. Human nature is what it is. You might get, say, half of drs. who are truly in it to help humanity--out of the "goodness of their hearts". Half are not, or get jaded. So if you are on a gov't system and they are all paid the same, how are you going to motivate them to continue to do good work without a profit motive?

The problem with all forms of socialism is that it imagines that humanity is not what it is. It imagines we are something better.

As does the free market philosophy. It all looks good on paper. Hospitals don't pay property taxes. We the people pay that for them.

No, the free market philosophy posits that we are motivated by self-interest. Which I find is usually the truth.

And it's why we have an immigration problem. Implementation of the free market economy into other countries.
That's what the IMF does.

It's all crap. Economics is the softest science ya got. It's all theory.

It's actually not all theory; it plays itself out in daily life everywhere, all around the world.

Communism has failed everywhere, all around the world. Everywhere.

So has socialism, or it does eventually, everywhere.

The profit motive works but it can't be "pure". It needs oversight. The gov't is a good organization for oversight, but that's it. Just oversight, not command.

 

[Disir]

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

My dad had was in the ER for 7 hours and then taken to a hospital 3 hours away.

That's in the States. So, let's cut the shit on the scare stories on "socialized" health care. The speed in which you can obtain certain types of surgeries in Canada depends on where you live. Canada is a mixture.

The ER in most hospitals here is usually overcrowded. There is no alternative after 6. Urgent Care places close about 8.

Healthcare is only one component of socialism you should be concerned about. Maybe not even the most worrisome, depending on your station in life.

Depending on my station? Fuck off with that shit. Socialism isn't coming to the US. There must be an election around the corner--it's time for another Red Scare.

List all of the policies presented by Trumps opponents and tell me that socialism isn't being pushed aggressively.

America knows not what they are in for. It's already beginning with social media and public shaming which is destroying careers and lives.

The US will never be a Communist country. Ever. Neither the Democrats or the Republicans are interested in it. The Democratic party is right wing. The only reason that you would continue that line of reasoning is to politically demonize the other party.

 

[Disir]

Canada has a private/public health care. So, if you are living in the boondocks and you need a specific surgery and there is one surgeon that can preform the surgery in a 350 mile radius......you're going to see a wait list.

Yep, I hear you. The most trustworthy people in charge of health care are those that are exploiting for profit.

Sure. Human nature is what it is. You might get, say, half of drs. who are truly in it to help humanity--out of the "goodness of their hearts". Half are not, or get jaded. So if you are on a gov't system and they are all paid the same, how are you going to motivate them to continue to do good work without a profit motive?

The problem with all forms of socialism is that it imagines that humanity is not what it is. It imagines we are something better.

As does the free market philosophy. It all looks good on paper. Hospitals don't pay property taxes. We the people pay that for them.

No, the free market philosophy posits that we are motivated by self-interest. Which I find is usually the truth.

And it's why we have an immigration problem. Implementation of the free market economy into other countries.
That's what the IMF does.

It's all crap. Economics is the softest science ya got. It's all theory.

It's actually not all theory; it plays itself out in daily life everywhere, all around the world.

Communism has failed everywhere, all around the world. Everywhere.

So has socialism, or it does eventually, everywhere.

The profit motive works but it can't be "pure". It needs oversight. The gov't is a good organization for oversight, but that's it. Just oversight, not command.

No I would say that the epic failure is in the free market implementation. The only argument against that is going to be the one true Scotsman.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

My dad had was in the ER for 7 hours and then taken to a hospital 3 hours away.

That's in the States. So, let's cut the shit on the scare stories on "socialized" health care. The speed in which you can obtain certain types of surgeries in Canada depends on where you live. Canada is a mixture.

The ER in most hospitals here is usually overcrowded. There is no alternative after 6. Urgent Care places close about 8.

Healthcare is only one component of socialism you should be concerned about. Maybe not even the most worrisome, depending on your station in life.

Depending on my station? Fuck off with that shit. Socialism isn't coming to the US. There must be an election around the corner--it's time for another Red Scare.

List all of the policies presented by Trumps opponents and tell me that socialism isn't being pushed aggressively.

America knows not what they are in for. It's already beginning with social media and public shaming which is destroying careers and lives.

The US will never be a Communist country. Ever. Neither the Democrats or the Republicans are interested in it. The Democratic party is right wing. The only reason that you would continue that line of reasoning is to politically demonize the other party.

I don't work for any party, I don't set their policies. Surely you've heard some of the policies being pushed, you can list them all from the Green New Deal to healthcare for all (including illegal citizens), to eliminating all student debt. Plenty more to list, all very costly, big government programs that hurt free market capitalism.

There is a debate today for the Dems, let's hear their policies. No one need demonize what others are openly presenting.

 

[SweetSue92]

Sure. Human nature is what it is. You might get, say, half of drs. who are truly in it to help humanity--out of the "goodness of their hearts". Half are not, or get jaded. So if you are on a gov't system and they are all paid the same, how are you going to motivate them to continue to do good work without a profit motive?

The problem with all forms of socialism is that it imagines that humanity is not what it is. It imagines we are something better.

As does the free market philosophy. It all looks good on paper. Hospitals don't pay property taxes. We the people pay that for them.

No, the free market philosophy posits that we are motivated by self-interest. Which I find is usually the truth.

And it's why we have an immigration problem. Implementation of the free market economy into other countries.
That's what the IMF does.

It's all crap. Economics is the softest science ya got. It's all theory.

It's actually not all theory; it plays itself out in daily life everywhere, all around the world.

Communism has failed everywhere, all around the world. Everywhere.

So has socialism, or it does eventually, everywhere.

The profit motive works but it can't be "pure". It needs oversight. The gov't is a good organization for oversight, but that's it. Just oversight, not command.

No I would say that the epic failure is in the free market implementation. The only argument against that is going to be the one true Scotsman.

You think free market capitalism is a failure.

I don't know what to say to that. It's so profoundly wrong it's like saying the sun sets in the east.

 

[sparky]

No I would say that the epic failure is in the free market implementation

any system can fail

There is a debate today for the Dems, let's hear their policies. No one need demonize what others are openly presenting.

they work for the same folks the reps do

You think free market capitalism is a failure.

You work for the school system, the most obnoxious example of socialism one can find/live/get their kids through



~S~

 

[sparky]

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

Brought folks to the ER for 30 yrs, seen a lot of it

Listened to a lot of folks on rides, heard a lot of it

Been to the ER myself, lived it

thx

~S~

That explains everything.

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

Brought folks to the ER for 30 yrs, seen a lot of it

Listened to a lot of folks on rides, heard a lot of it

Been to the ER myself, lived it

thx

~S~

That explains everything.

anecdotally

~S~

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

It happens down here in for profit healthcare get real...

Do you have an example?

Yes but I have no pictures.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not claiming this has never happened. The statistical odds are it has somewhere, but I would be curious as to how often it happens here compared to countries like Canada and others that have a government monopolized system.

Not sure but I can get much faster service in any er by claiming to have chest pains..When I was younger and had to take someone or had to go to the er myself I have had to wait for hours, just depends how busy they are. The bigger the city usually the longer the wait.

How about waiting 7 hours with a loud, crying, child who seemed to have difficulties breathing? The kid was 6 month old. I heard this story from a guy in the crowded ER room as I waited for my wife a few months ago, I saw the proof first hand and he had his child over his shoulder and trying to comfort him as he told me how long he had been waiting.

I told him "you need to go demand attention, there are people here who don't need to be here and you have a vulnerable child". What made it worse was he told me his wife had a miscarriage twice in the past, this was their only child. I nearly went myself and was going to make a bit of a scene on his behalf, but I'd be thrown out.

I don't make these stories up, they are all quite real. I'm not saying it is always like this, but I can tell you it is often like this, and it is getting worse, very quickly.

This is why we need GODvernment out of medical care. Godvernment doesnt really care about people. They are THINGS to be processed. Unfortunately. WE will take tha same path. We will regret it.

 

[depotoo]

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

My dad had was in the ER for 7 hours and then taken to a hospital 3 hours away.

That's in the States. So, let's cut the shit on the scare stories on "socialized" health care. The speed in which you can obtain certain types of surgeries in Canada depends on where you live. Canada is a mixture.

The ER in most hospitals here is usually overcrowded. There is no alternative after 6. Urgent Care places close about 8.

I don’t know where you live, but it is not true here, and many urgent cares are open a lot later than 8.
And those with serious emergencies are always seen first, even if they come in later than some others.

 

[Disir]

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

My dad had was in the ER for 7 hours and then taken to a hospital 3 hours away.

That's in the States. So, let's cut the shit on the scare stories on "socialized" health care. The speed in which you can obtain certain types of surgeries in Canada depends on where you live. Canada is a mixture.

The ER in most hospitals here is usually overcrowded. There is no alternative after 6. Urgent Care places close about 8.

I don’t know where you live, but it is not true here, and many urgent cares are open a lot later than 8.
And those with serious emergencies are always seen first, even if they come in later than some others.

That's the here part.

 

[Disir]

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

Brought folks to the ER for 30 yrs, seen a lot of it

Listened to a lot of folks on rides, heard a lot of it

Been to the ER myself, lived it

thx

~S~

That explains everything.

Story told from my wife when she was at the hospital for her physio. Guy in the waiting room of the hospital, been there several hours, blood all over his shirt, soaked, still bleeding on the floor, bone on his arm exposed as he cut himself accidentally with a chainsaw.

This is socialized medicine. Or maybe he just isn't popular with the Powers that Be, let him sit awhile and learn a lesson...

Brought folks to the ER for 30 yrs, seen a lot of it

Listened to a lot of folks on rides, heard a lot of it

Been to the ER myself, lived it

thx

~S~

That explains everything.

anecdotally

~S~

EMT?

 

[Disir]

any system can fail

Ya. But I said that it all looks good on paper.

 

[rightwinger]

Sounds ridiculous
At least they could move him to an examination room to stabilize