Stop selling ethanol and see what happens

[KissMy]

Net Energy: A Useless, Misleading And Dangerous Metric

His calculations indicate that every MJ of ethanol can displace 28 MJ of petroleum, in other words ethanol greatly extends our existing supplies of petroleum. Using corn ethanol provides an 18% reduction in greenhouse gasses compared with petrol, while fibre-produced ethanol gives a 88% reduction compared to petrol.

That's impossible, considering it takes up to 6 units of petroleum to produce 1 unit of ethanol, as I've already shown.

I have downloaded & read the report you posted & it is pure fiction. Non of his numbers jive with reality. It is from 2005 & has been debunked.

We produce & export Ethanol with no subsidy. The only tax break for ethanol sales is the 45 cent blender credit. That amounts to 4.5 cents per gallon tax break for every gallon of your regular E10 gasoline you pump into your car. There is no blender credit on exported ethanol.

Ethanol Exports Continue to Surge; Anti-Dumping Investigation Reduces DDGS Exports to China

The new year began with a bang for U.S. ethanol exports, according to government data released today. Ethanol shipments (consisting of both denatured and undenatured, non-beverage, ethanol) totaled 57.2 million gallons in January, marking the second highest monthly total on record. However, the January total was down 20% from the all-time record of 71.9 million gallons. established in December 2010. These exports are not eligible for the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (VEETC), also called the blender’s credit.

Of the total, 45.4 million gallons were denatured. Canada continued to be the top market for denatured ethanol exports, receiving 19.4 million gallons in January. The United Arab Emirates, the Netherlands, Finland, and the United Kingdom, respectively, were other top destinations for denatured product in January. Together, the top five importers received 98% of total U.S. denatured ethanol shipments in January.

The U.S. exported 11.8 million gallons of undenatured ethanol in January, with about half of that total going to Nigeria. The Netherlands and Mexico were the second- and third-leading importers in January. Together, the three countries received 97% of total undenatured ethanol exports in January.

At 714,000 metric tons, January exports of distillers dried grains with solubles (DDGS) were virtually identical to December 2010 levels (713,600 metric tons). Exports to China—the leading export market in 2010—fell by 30% in January, likely as the result of China’s DDGS anti-dumping investigation. January exports to China totaled 129,000 metric tons, down from 183,000 metric tons in December 2010. However, the drop in exports to China was offset by a surge in exports to Mexico. DDGS exports to Mexico jumped from 130,000 metric tons in December to 229,000 metric tons in January, a 76% increase.

Following Mexico and China, Canada was the third-leading market for DDGS exports in January, receiving 87,000 metric tons.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Yup. Anything high in cellulose will do. I know a guy who has a motorcycle that burns alcohol. He makes his fuel from day old bread and doughnuts. He also makes it from cat tails and is experimenting with lawn clippings. Engines run cooler on straight ethanol to.

The US farmer produces over 12 billion bushel of #2 yellow field corn every year. Humans eat sweet corn. Humans do not eat this field corn. It is fed to livestock. Extracting Ethanol from this corn only uses the starch of the corn. All the protein remains as Distiller Dried Grains (DDG) animal feed. Protein is what builds muscles in animals. Muscles = Meat, Steak, Hamburger, etc. Corn starch created methane gas in farm animals. This is smelly & is 15 times stronger of a greenhouse gas than (CO2) Carbon Dioxide ever was.

If you converted all the Corn grown in the USA into Ethanol it still leaves US & the World nearly all the animal feed value in the form of DDGs that we would have got from feeding corn directly to animals. We still export the DDG animal feed to China & the rest of the world the same way we did the corn. Sugar cane, switch grass & algae do not have a usable food co-product. They only create toxic waste. That means when you take away farm acreage to grow one of those, you truly decrease the worlds available food & drive up food prices. That does not happen with corn ethanol.

If you converted all the Corn grown in the USA into Ethanol it can replace 25% of the total US Gasoline demand 12% of the total US Crude Oil demand.

Mixing Ethanol into Gasoline prevents the need for refineries to add the ground water polluting MTBE into gasoline.

Ethanol production in the USA has created over 500,000 good paying jobs in the USA. Not part time minimum wage jobs.

You keep posting that thinking it actually proves something.

Are you aware that, if Obama's new mandates on ethanol remain in place, we will need to devote more and more crop to the feed corn every year? Eventually all the land currently used to produce both will be devoted to feed corn, and there will be no room to grow sweet corn.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Your statistics make that statement true.

Notice how it has nothing more to say ?

 

[KissMy]

The US farmer produces over 12 billion bushel of #2 yellow field corn every year. Humans eat sweet corn. Humans do not eat this field corn. It is fed to livestock. Extracting Ethanol from this corn only uses the starch of the corn. All the protein remains as Distiller Dried Grains (DDG) animal feed. Protein is what builds muscles in animals. Muscles = Meat, Steak, Hamburger, etc. Corn starch created methane gas in farm animals. This is smelly & is 15 times stronger of a greenhouse gas than (CO2) Carbon Dioxide ever was.

If you converted all the Corn grown in the USA into Ethanol it still leaves US & the World nearly all the animal feed value in the form of DDGs that we would have got from feeding corn directly to animals. We still export the DDG animal feed to China & the rest of the world the same way we did the corn. Sugar cane, switch grass & algae do not have a usable food co-product. They only create toxic waste. That means when you take away farm acreage to grow one of those, you truly decrease the worlds available food & drive up food prices. That does not happen with corn ethanol.

If you converted all the Corn grown in the USA into Ethanol it can replace 25% of the total US Gasoline demand 12% of the total US Crude Oil demand.

Mixing Ethanol into Gasoline prevents the need for refineries to add the ground water polluting MTBE into gasoline.

Ethanol production in the USA has created over 500,000 good paying jobs in the USA. Not part time minimum wage jobs.

You keep posting that thinking it actually proves something.

Are you aware that, if Obama's new mandates on ethanol remain in place, we will need to devote more and more crop to the feed corn every year? Eventually all the land currently used to produce both will be devoted to feed corn, and there will be no room to grow sweet corn.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Your statistics make that statement true.

Notice how it has nothing more to say ?

If we took most of the over 12 billion bushel of #2 yellow field corn the US farmers produces every year & turned it all into ethanol there would still be plenty of DDGs left to feed all the livestock that were eating the field corn. Farmers are not increasing #2 yellow field corn acreage to squeeze out the Sweet Corn Humans eat. They are also not reducing cotton, soybean or wheat acres to grow corn for ethanol. See Chart:

USDA intended corn acreage and actual acreage planted from 1975 to 2006 in Wisconsin. Vertical bars represent the relative difference (%) between intended and actual acreage.

We will soon be also making lots of Cellulosic Ethanol from Corn stover, stalks, silk & shucks. I sure hope you weren't eating that stuff & are now going to cry about us burning your food in the gas tank. That will exceed all the mandated ethanol production goals. Poet already has a working cellulosic ethanol plant that is producing ethanol from leftover Corn stover, stalks, silk & shucks. POET plans to build many cellulosic ethanol plants to have a hand in producing 3.5 billion gallons of cellulosic ethanol per year by 2022.

You retards are childish liars & unworthy of a response.

 

[Mr. H.]

Ethanol also pollutes groundwater. It's a containment issue. MTBE was railroaded out of the picture by the Ag lobby. They needed to do this to set the stage for ethanol blending.

The Ethanol Lobby did not even exist before the EPA decided to mandate Ethanol & Ban MTBE

Oh Yeah - The AG lobby really has sway with the EPA.

These 2 groups are always opposed to each other.

The EPA hates Farmers, Oil companies & any USA domestic industry. They would rather see it all go to foreign countries.

As I recall initial lab testing revealed that ethanol blends, at that time, exceeded emissions standards. Standards were summarily re-written to accomodate ethanol.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

You keep posting that thinking it actually proves something.

Are you aware that, if Obama's new mandates on ethanol remain in place, we will need to devote more and more crop to the feed corn every year? Eventually all the land currently used to produce both will be devoted to feed corn, and there will be no room to grow sweet corn.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Your statistics make that statement true.

Notice how it has nothing more to say ?

If we took most of the over 12 billion bushel of #2 yellow field corn the US farmers produces every year & turned it all into ethanol there would still be plenty of DDGs left to feed all the livestock that were eating the field corn. Farmers are not increasing #2 yellow field corn acreage to squeeze out the Sweet Corn Humans eat. They are also not reducing cotton, soybean or wheat acres to grow corn for ethanol. See Chart:

USDA intended corn acreage and actual acreage planted from 1975 to 2006 in Wisconsin. Vertical bars represent the relative difference (%) between intended and actual acreage.

We will soon be also making lots of Cellulosic Ethanol from Corn stover, stalks, silk & shucks. I sure hope you weren't eating that stuff & are now going to cry about us burning your food in the gas tank. That will exceed all the mandated ethanol production goals. Poet already has a working cellulosic ethanol plant that is producing ethanol from leftover Corn stover, stalks, silk & shucks. POET plans to build many cellulosic ethanol plants to have a hand in producing 3.5 billion gallons of cellulosic ethanol per year by 2022.

You retards are childish liars & unworthy of a response.

More snippets from blogs. The secret is, that you cant google fast enough and still have no clue about what you are talking about. You are just another predictable lib troll.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Ethanol also pollutes groundwater. It's a containment issue. MTBE was railroaded out of the picture by the Ag lobby. They needed to do this to set the stage for ethanol blending.

The Ethanol Lobby did not even exist before the EPA decided to mandate Ethanol & Ban MTBE

Oh Yeah - The AG lobby really has sway with the EPA.

These 2 groups are always opposed to each other.

The EPA hates Farmers, Oil companies & any USA domestic industry. They would rather see it all go to foreign countries.

As I recall initial lab testing revealed that ethanol blends, at that time, exceeded emissions standards. Standards were summarily re-written to accomodate ethanol.

it does burn cleaner. cooler to, its just that the stuff made from corn is inferior compared to when its made from other things and the liquid is deadly poisonous no matter what you make it from.

 

[daveman]

Net Energy: A Useless, Misleading And Dangerous Metric

That's impossible, considering it takes up to 6 units of petroleum to produce 1 unit of ethanol, as I've already shown.

I have downloaded & read the report you posted & it is pure fiction. Non of his numbers jive with reality. It is from 2005 & has been debunked.

Doubtful.

We produce & export Ethanol with no subsidy. The only tax break for ethanol sales is the 45 cent blender credit. That amounts to 4.5 cents per gallon tax break for every gallon of your regular E10 gasoline you pump into your car. There is no blender credit on exported ethanol.

No subsidies for ethanol? Really?

*Tax subsidies provided to corn ethanol producers have been larger than those given to producers of any other form of renewable energy.
*Corn ethanol subsidies are now costing U.S. taxpayers about $7 billion per year, the Congressional Budget Office reported in July. The CBO found that producing enough corn ethanol to match the energy contained in a single gallon of conventional gasoline costs taxpayers $1.78.​

 

[mudwhistle]

A study came along this past week from economists at Iowa State University and the University of Wisconsin that found that if ethanol production came to an immediate halt, the estimated gasoline price increase would be what the researcher described as “historic proportions,” ranging from 41 to 92 percent.

That’s roughly $5.50 to $7.50 of gasoline per gallon.

The same research team, in a study sponsored by the Renewable Fuels Association and released by the Center for Agricultural and Rural Development (CARD), found that the increased use of ethanol reduced wholesale gasoline prices by an average of $0.89 per gallon in 2010. The average effect increased to $0.89 per gallon, and the regional impact ranges from $0.58 per gallon on the East Coast to $1.37 per gallon in the Midwest, according to the study’s authors.

Ethanol In Pottersville

Thought this was interesting.

Water based ethanol causes a marked reduction in fuel economy especially during cold temps and causes damage to cataletic-converters.

This explains why my engine warning light remains on all of the time.

 

[daveman]

A study came along this past week from economists at Iowa State University and the University of Wisconsin that found that if ethanol production came to an immediate halt, the estimated gasoline price increase would be what the researcher described as “historic proportions,” ranging from 41 to 92 percent.

That’s roughly $5.50 to $7.50 of gasoline per gallon.

The same research team, in a study sponsored by the Renewable Fuels Association and released by the Center for Agricultural and Rural Development (CARD), found that the increased use of ethanol reduced wholesale gasoline prices by an average of $0.89 per gallon in 2010. The average effect increased to $0.89 per gallon, and the regional impact ranges from $0.58 per gallon on the East Coast to $1.37 per gallon in the Midwest, according to the study’s authors.

Ethanol In Pottersville

Thought this was interesting.

This is interesting, too:

Between 1999 and 2009, U.S. ethanol production increased seven-fold, to more than 700,000 barrels per day (bbl/d). During that period, however, oil imports increased by more than 800,000 bbl/d. (In addition, U.S. oil exports — yes, exports — more than doubled, to about 2 million bbl/d.) Data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration show that oil imports closely track domestic oil consumption. Over the past decade, as oil demand grew, so did imports. When consumption fell, imports did as well. Ethanol production levels had no apparent effect on the volume of oil imports or on consumption.

So despite more than three decades of subsidies costing taxpayers tens of billions of dollars, the ethanol industry cannot point to any decline in oil imports during the period when it experienced its most rapid growth.​

 

[Momanohedhunter]

A study came along this past week from economists at Iowa State University and the University of Wisconsin that found that if ethanol production came to an immediate halt, the estimated gasoline price increase would be what the researcher described as “historic proportions,” ranging from 41 to 92 percent.

That’s roughly $5.50 to $7.50 of gasoline per gallon.

The same research team, in a study sponsored by the Renewable Fuels Association and released by the Center for Agricultural and Rural Development (CARD), found that the increased use of ethanol reduced wholesale gasoline prices by an average of $0.89 per gallon in 2010. The average effect increased to $0.89 per gallon, and the regional impact ranges from $0.58 per gallon on the East Coast to $1.37 per gallon in the Midwest, according to the study’s authors.

Ethanol In Pottersville

Thought this was interesting.

Water based ethanol causes a marked reduction in fuel economy especially during cold temps and causes damage to cataletic-converters.

This explains why my engine warning light remains on all of the time.

Alcohol does burn cold. Thats why it is not the answer for everyone in every situation. And vehicles need to be built or converted to burn the stuff. There are cheaper ways to make it and better stuff to make it from. Most of Which can be pulled out of a trash can or the dumpster behind the grocery store. Converting a car or truck is not hard, and building a still is easy and cheap. I am converting a 95 pathfinder and looking into a motor cycle.

 

[RodISHI]

My old van runs like shit with ethanol and uses more gas. I have to drive to MO to get real gas.

 

[Bern80]

How much would enanthol gas cost us if its producers were getting over a dollar a gallon from the Federal government?

Do you suppose it would be cheaper than non-enthanol gas?

Huh? They do and it is.

 

[KissMy]

Daveman is again debunked by his own link. Here is the full artical from manhattan-institute

The title reads: Corn Ethanol Has Not Cut U.S. Oil Imports but the artical proves that Corn Ethanol has increased U.S. Oil Exports Here is the graph from your source that proves it.

Gee Mr Wizard, How could this be? So why doesn't ethanol cut oil imports?

Because even though domestic gasoline demand has been essentially flat for the past six years due to Corn ethanol. "Corn ethanol has not reduced the volume of oil imports, or overall oil use, and likely never will, because it can replace only one segment of the crude-oil barrel. Unless or until inventors come up with a substance (or substances) that can replace all of the products refined from a barrel of crude oil—from gasoline to naphtha and diesel to asphalt—this country, along with every other one, will have to continue to rely on the global oil market."

This proves Corn Ethanol is reducing the price of gasoline at the pump. Because we are processing crude for all the other elements besides gasoline. We have so much excess gasoline & ethanol now that we have to export ethanol & gasoline.

Fact: Ethanol has increased U.S. Oil Exports!!!

Fact: Ethanol has reduced the price of gasoline at the pump!!!

 

[daveman]

Daveman is again debunked by his own link. Here is the full artical from manhattan-institute

The title reads: Corn Ethanol Has Not Cut U.S. Oil Imports but the artical proves that Corn Ethanol has increased U.S. Oil Exports Here is the graph from your source that proves it.

Gee Mr Wizard, How could this be?

Compare ethanol production to gas exports. Remarkably inefficient, isn't it?

So why doesn't ethanol cut oil imports?

Because even though domestic gasoline demand has been essentially flat for the past six years due to Corn ethanol. "Corn ethanol has not reduced the volume of oil imports, or overall oil use, and likely never will, because it can replace only one segment of the crude-oil barrel. Unless or until inventors come up with a substance (or substances) that can replace all of the products refined from a barrel of crude oil—from gasoline to naphtha and diesel to asphalt—this country, along with every other one, will have to continue to rely on the global oil market."

This proves Corn Ethanol is reducing the price of gasoline at the pump. Because we are processing crude for all the other elements besides gasoline. We have so much excess gasoline & ethanol now that we have to export ethanol & gasoline.

Fact: Ethanol has increased U.S. Oil Exports!!!

Fact: Ethanol has reduced the price of gasoline at the pump!!!

Fact: Ethanol takes more energy to produce than it provides. And it's environmentally damaging:

While the BP oil spill has been labeled the worst environmental catastrophe in recent U.S. history, a biofuel is contributing to a Gulf of Mexico "dead zone" the size of New Jersey that scientists say could be every bit as harmful to the gulf.​

While you're "saving the environment", you're damaging the environment. Only a leftist would support that.

 

[editec]

Has anybody notice what a bag of FTIZOS cost?

How about the cost of Enathol "enhanced" gas?

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Daveman is again debunked by his own link. Here is the full artical from manhattan-institute

The title reads: Corn Ethanol Has Not Cut U.S. Oil Imports but the artical proves that Corn Ethanol has increased U.S. Oil Exports Here is the graph from your source that proves it.

Gee Mr Wizard, How could this be?

Compare ethanol production to gas exports. Remarkably inefficient, isn't it?

So why doesn't ethanol cut oil imports?

Because even though domestic gasoline demand has been essentially flat for the past six years due to Corn ethanol. "Corn ethanol has not reduced the volume of oil imports, or overall oil use, and likely never will, because it can replace only one segment of the crude-oil barrel. Unless or until inventors come up with a substance (or substances) that can replace all of the products refined from a barrel of crude oil—from gasoline to naphtha and diesel to asphalt—this country, along with every other one, will have to continue to rely on the global oil market."

This proves Corn Ethanol is reducing the price of gasoline at the pump. Because we are processing crude for all the other elements besides gasoline. We have so much excess gasoline & ethanol now that we have to export ethanol & gasoline.

Fact: Ethanol has increased U.S. Oil Exports!!!

Fact: Ethanol has reduced the price of gasoline at the pump!!!

Fact: Ethanol takes more energy to produce than it provides. And it's environmentally damaging:

While the BP oil spill has been labeled the worst environmental catastrophe in recent U.S. history, a biofuel is contributing to a Gulf of Mexico "dead zone" the size of New Jersey that scientists say could be every bit as harmful to the gulf.​

While you're "saving the environment", you're damaging the environment. Only a leftist would support that.

It points to this dudes ignorance. He as a lib is used to hand outs and welfare. He is one of those who looks at government money like it just appears there. He cant understand it any other way. Ethanol is a valid alternative to gas, but not the way the government does it. They forced it on the public and bumped the price of a gallon of gas and fucked up a bunch of vehicles doing it. The production of government subsidized ethanol is nothing more then a bunch of good'ol boy kick backs. Ethanol made from corn is an inferior product .

 

[daveman]

It points to this dudes ignorance. He as a lib is used to hand outs and welfare. He is one of those who looks at government money like it just appears there. He cant understand it any other way. Ethanol is a valid alternative to gas, but not the way the government does it. They forced it on the public and bumped the price of a gallon of gas and fucked up a bunch of vehicles doing it. The production of government subsidized ethanol is nothing more then a bunch of good'ol boy kick backs. Ethanol made from corn is an inferior product .

Good intentions, not a bit of thought about the consequences. Liberalism.

 

[KissMy]

Daveman is again debunked by his own link. Here is the full artical from manhattan-institute

The title reads: Corn Ethanol Has Not Cut U.S. Oil Imports but the artical proves that Corn Ethanol has increased U.S. Oil Exports Here is the graph from your source that proves it.

Gee Mr Wizard, How could this be?

Compare ethanol production to gas exports. Remarkably inefficient, isn't it?

So why doesn't ethanol cut oil imports?

Because even though domestic gasoline demand has been essentially flat for the past six years due to Corn ethanol. "Corn ethanol has not reduced the volume of oil imports, or overall oil use, and likely never will, because it can replace only one segment of the crude-oil barrel. Unless or until inventors come up with a substance (or substances) that can replace all of the products refined from a barrel of crude oil—from gasoline to naphtha and diesel to asphalt—this country, along with every other one, will have to continue to rely on the global oil market."

This proves Corn Ethanol is reducing the price of gasoline at the pump. Because we are processing crude for all the other elements besides gasoline. We have so much excess gasoline & ethanol now that we have to export ethanol & gasoline.

Fact: Ethanol has increased U.S. Oil Exports!!!

Fact: Ethanol has reduced the price of gasoline at the pump!!!

Fact: Ethanol takes more energy to produce than it provides. And it's environmentally damaging:

While the BP oil spill has been labeled the worst environmental catastrophe in recent U.S. history, a biofuel is contributing to a Gulf of Mexico "dead zone" the size of New Jersey that scientists say could be every bit as harmful to the gulf.​

While you're "saving the environment", you're damaging the environment. Only a leftist would support that.

Some scientists fear the oil spill will worsen the dead zone, because when oil decomposes, it also consumes oxygen. New government estimates on Thursday indicated that the BP oil spill had gushed as much as 141 million gallons since an oil-rig explosion and well blowout on April 20 that killed 11 workers.

So Gulf Oil is killing way more of the Gulf than ethanol but somehow you oil boys claim ethanol is bad?

You do know that Big Oil has bought & paid for politicians for the last 100 years don't you? Big Oil has also bought & paid for the media at least since the 1970's. Who do you think paid for & built NBC's Rockefeller Plaza? Who do you think built The World Trade Center? Who's Oil Companies do you think the US Military defends in foreign countries?

No-Till Corn Farming does not contribute to the Gulf dead zone. No-Till Corn Farming reduces the Gulf dead zone. No-Till Farming is on the rise. Why don't you get the EPA to mandate No-Till Farming instead of blaming the ethanol industry for the DESTRUCTION OF THE GULF BY THE BIG OIL COMPANIES?

 

[daveman]

So Gulf Oil is killing way more of the Gulf than ethanol but somehow you oil boys claim ethanol is bad?

You do know that Big Oil has bought & paid for politictions for the last 100 years don't you? Big Oil has also bought & paid for the media at least since the 1970's. Who do you think paid for & built NBC's Rockefeller Plaza?

No-Till Corn Farming does not contribute to the Gulf Dead Zone! No-Till Farming is on the rise. Why don't you get the EPA to mandate No-Till Farming instead of blaming the ethanol industry for the DESTRUCTION OF THE GULF BY THE BIG OIL COMPANIES?

I knew you wounldn't get it. But only because you're stupid.

The oil spill was an accident. Flushing agrichemicals into the Gulf is deliberate.

You know the danger and the effects. But you still support it.

And no-till farming has nothing to do with the ethanol-caused dead zone in the Gulf. It's the run-off from corn farming that's causing it. And do you know what that run-off is from? Agrichemicals. And do you know what agrichemicals are made from?

Petroleum.

So: Ethanol production is flushing petrochemicals into the Gulf where it's killing marine life.

And you support it.

What makes you better than the BP officials you hate?

Nothing.

 

[KissMy]

So Gulf Oil is killing way more of the Gulf than ethanol but somehow you oil boys claim ethanol is bad?

You do know that Big Oil has bought & paid for politicians for the last 100 years don't you? Big Oil has also bought & paid for the media at least since the 1970's. Who do you think paid for & built NBC's Rockefeller Plaza? Who do you think built The World Trade Center? Who's Oil Companies do you think the US Military defends in foreign countries?

No-Till Corn Farming does not contribute to the Gulf Dead Zone! No-Till Farming is on the rise. Why don't you get the EPA to mandate No-Till Farming instead of blaming the ethanol industry for the DESTRUCTION OF THE GULF BY THE BIG OIL COMPANIES?

I knew you wounldn't get it. But only because you're stupid.

The oil spill was an accident. Flushing agrichemicals into the Gulf is deliberate.

You know the danger and the effects. But you still support it.

And no-till farming has nothing to do with the ethanol-caused dead zone in the Gulf. It's the run-off from corn farming that's causing it. And do you know what that run-off is from? Agrichemicals. And do you know what agrichemicals are made from?

Petroleum.

So: Ethanol production is flushing petrochemicals into the Gulf where it's killing marine life.

And you support it.

What makes you better than the BP officials you hate?

Nothing.

You are a Big Oil Idiot. You know absolutely nothing about Farming, No-Till Farming, World Food Production or Ethanol Production.

Agrichemicals in the rivers increases algae blooms in the Gulf. That is an increase in marine life. Algae makes the Crude Oil in the Gulf that oil companies are extracting. Why don't you filter the algae out of the river & squeeze crude oil out of that?

No-Till Farming greatly reduces soil erosion & the run-off of agrichemicals into rivers. This also reduces the need for farmers to apply agrichemicals. No-Till Farming greatly reduces the use of Diesel Fuel & Agrichemicals.