Stop hating on these cops for being HUMAN BEINGS!!

[JGalt]

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive.....this hero shit is for the movies and just a hand full of brave men, mainly our soldiers and firefighters. Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later. In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....fuck being a hero...unless its an unarmed black man with expired tags on his car, then you got a fuckin hero.

You got a deranged kid, shooting up everybody and you want cops, who haven't shot a gun since Tyrone the black guy was jay walking??????????? and you want him to go into a building and save lives? Had that been a predominate black school, they would have dropped bombs inside the school.

Bottom line, they know, white people are crazy

You are dead wrong on this. When you hire on as a policeman, you understand that your duty is to serve and protect. And if that means putting your life on the line, so be it. In the military what those men did would have been dereliction of duty, and would have been a stain on them for the rest of their lives. That is as it should be for those four men.

Once again, the Supreme Court has ruled that law-enforcement has no constitutional duty to protect. You're on your own, Bubba.

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

Well now, a coward protecting cowards. Who the hell did they think was being murdered inside that school? If you cannot take a risk to save the lives of children, you are truly a fucking coward. Coward defending cowards.

Your impotent rage means nothing to me. I'm just showing you what the law is, and between you me, I'm not waiting for the police to show up. You have the same Second Amendment right to protect yourself, your family, and your property that I have, and that everyone else in this country has.

You can choose to make use of that right or just become one more murder statistic, that's entirely up to you.

 

[Old Rocks]

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive.....this hero shit is for the movies and just a hand full of brave men, mainly our soldiers and firefighters. Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later. In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....fuck being a hero...unless its an unarmed black man with expired tags on his car, then you got a fuckin hero.

You got a deranged kid, shooting up everybody and you want cops, who haven't shot a gun since Tyrone the black guy was jay walking??????????? and you want him to go into a building and save lives? Had that been a predominate black school, they would have dropped bombs inside the school.

Bottom line, they know, white people are crazy

You are dead wrong on this. When you hire on as a policeman, you understand that your duty is to serve and protect. And if that means putting your life on the line, so be it. In the military what those men did would have been dereliction of duty, and would have been a stain on them for the rest of their lives. That is as it should be for those four men.

Once again, the Supreme Court has ruled that law-enforcement has no constitutional duty to protect. You're on your own, Bubba.

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

Well now, a coward protecting cowards. Who the hell did they think was being murdered inside that school? If you cannot take a risk to save the lives of children, you are truly a fucking coward. Coward defending cowards.

Your impotent rage means nothing to me. I'm just showing you what the law is, and between you me, I'm not waiting for the police to show up. You have the same Second Amendment right to protect yourself, your family, and your property that I have, and that everyone else in this country has.

You can choose to make use of that right or just become one more murder statistic, that's entirely up to you.

Cocksuck, I have owned guns longer than you have been alive. And I would have gone in, in those circumstances, because their is no way I could have lived with myself had I not done that. Those cops are cowards.

 

[JGalt]

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive.....this hero shit is for the movies and just a hand full of brave men, mainly our soldiers and firefighters. Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later. In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....fuck being a hero...unless its an unarmed black man with expired tags on his car, then you got a fuckin hero.

You got a deranged kid, shooting up everybody and you want cops, who haven't shot a gun since Tyrone the black guy was jay walking??????????? and you want him to go into a building and save lives? Had that been a predominate black school, they would have dropped bombs inside the school.

Bottom line, they know, white people are crazy

You are dead wrong on this. When you hire on as a policeman, you understand that your duty is to serve and protect. And if that means putting your life on the line, so be it. In the military what those men did would have been dereliction of duty, and would have been a stain on them for the rest of their lives. That is as it should be for those four men.

Once again, the Supreme Court has ruled that law-enforcement has no constitutional duty to protect. You're on your own, Bubba.

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

Well now, a coward protecting cowards. Who the hell did they think was being murdered inside that school? If you cannot take a risk to save the lives of children, you are truly a fucking coward. Coward defending cowards.

Your impotent rage means nothing to me. I'm just showing you what the law is, and between you me, I'm not waiting for the police to show up. You have the same Second Amendment right to protect yourself, your family, and your property that I have, and that everyone else in this country has.

You can choose to make use of that right or just become one more murder statistic, that's entirely up to you.

Cocksuck, I have owned guns longer than you have been alive. And I would have gone in, in those circumstances, because their is no way I could have lived with myself had I not done that. Those cops are cowards.

Cowards or not, they were still not legally bound by law to do anything.

 

[tigerred59]

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive.....this hero shit is for the movies and just a hand full of brave men, mainly our soldiers and firefighters. Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later. In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....fuck being a hero...unless its an unarmed black man with expired tags on his car, then you got a fuckin hero.

You got a deranged kid, shooting up everybody and you want cops, who haven't shot a gun since Tyrone the black guy was jay walking??????????? and you want him to go into a building and save lives? Had that been a predominate black school, they would have dropped bombs inside the school.

Bottom line, they know, white people are crazy

You are dead wrong on this. When you hire on as a policeman, you understand that your duty is to serve and protect. And if that means putting your life on the line, so be it. In the military what those men did would have been dereliction of duty, and would have been a stain on them for the rest of their lives. That is as it should be for those four men.

Once again, the Supreme Court has ruled that law-enforcement has no constitutional duty to protect. You're on your own, Bubba.

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

Well now, a coward protecting cowards. Who the hell did they think was being murdered inside that school? If you cannot take a risk to save the lives of children, you are truly a fucking coward. Coward defending cowards.

Your impotent rage means nothing to me. I'm just showing you what the law is, and between you me, I'm not waiting for the police to show up. You have the same Second Amendment right to protect yourself, your family, and your property that I have, and that everyone else in this country has.

You can choose to make use of that right or just become one more murder statistic, that's entirely up to you.

Cocksuck, I have owned guns longer than you have been alive. And I would have gone in, in those circumstances, because their is no way I could have lived with myself had I not done that. Those cops are cowards.

Could have, would have, but didn't....listen, in the gut sure you would have went in, but I would bet my last fuckin dollar, all you couch hero's would have waited....why because in the gut, deep down in the belly of a human soul, lives fear of dying.....and everyone has those fears, even you!! Stop watching the movies and get out more.

 

[Moonglow]

You are dead wrong on this. When you hire on as a policeman, you understand that your duty is to serve and protect. And if that means putting your life on the line, so be it. In the military what those men did would have been dereliction of duty, and would have been a stain on them for the rest of their lives. That is as it should be for those four men.

Once again, the Supreme Court has ruled that law-enforcement has no constitutional duty to protect. You're on your own, Bubba.

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

Well now, a coward protecting cowards. Who the hell did they think was being murdered inside that school? If you cannot take a risk to save the lives of children, you are truly a fucking coward. Coward defending cowards.

Your impotent rage means nothing to me. I'm just showing you what the law is, and between you me, I'm not waiting for the police to show up. You have the same Second Amendment right to protect yourself, your family, and your property that I have, and that everyone else in this country has.

You can choose to make use of that right or just become one more murder statistic, that's entirely up to you.

Cocksuck, I have owned guns longer than you have been alive. And I would have gone in, in those circumstances, because their is no way I could have lived with myself had I not done that. Those cops are cowards.

Cowards or not, they were still not legally bound by law to do anything.

Whoa that's a load...They are in the wrong business then..

 

[Moonglow]

You are dead wrong on this. When you hire on as a policeman, you understand that your duty is to serve and protect. And if that means putting your life on the line, so be it. In the military what those men did would have been dereliction of duty, and would have been a stain on them for the rest of their lives. That is as it should be for those four men.

Once again, the Supreme Court has ruled that law-enforcement has no constitutional duty to protect. You're on your own, Bubba.

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

Well now, a coward protecting cowards. Who the hell did they think was being murdered inside that school? If you cannot take a risk to save the lives of children, you are truly a fucking coward. Coward defending cowards.

Your impotent rage means nothing to me. I'm just showing you what the law is, and between you me, I'm not waiting for the police to show up. You have the same Second Amendment right to protect yourself, your family, and your property that I have, and that everyone else in this country has.

You can choose to make use of that right or just become one more murder statistic, that's entirely up to you.

Cocksuck, I have owned guns longer than you have been alive. And I would have gone in, in those circumstances, because their is no way I could have lived with myself had I not done that. Those cops are cowards.

Could have, would have, but didn't....listen, in the gut sure you would have went in, but I would bet my last fuckin dollar, all you couch hero's would have waited....why because in the gut, deep down in the belly of a human soul, lives fear of dying.....and everyone has those fears, even you!! Stop watching the movies and get out more.

I bet you enjoyed your combat MOS...

 

[LuckyDuck]

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive.....this hero shit is for the movies and just a hand full of brave men, mainly our soldiers and firefighters. Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later. In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....fuck being a hero...unless its an unarmed black man with expired tags on his car, then you got a fuckin hero.

You got a deranged kid, shooting up everybody and you want cops, who haven't shot a gun since Tyrone the black guy was jay walking??????????? and you want him to go into a building and save lives? Had that been a predominate black school, they would have dropped bombs inside the school.

Bottom line, they know, white people are crazy

I was a career Navy medic and assigned with the Marines, I was armed with the 9mm pistol, the Marines around me were armed with M16A4's and SAW's we, myself included were taught to go "toward" the gunfire. It's drummed into you.
If you're a cop and you here what are obviously people being shot, you don't sit back and wait your duty is to save lives, even if it means sacrificing your own in the attempt.

 

[tigerred59]

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive.....this hero shit is for the movies and just a hand full of brave men, mainly our soldiers and firefighters. Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later. In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....fuck being a hero...unless its an unarmed black man with expired tags on his car, then you got a fuckin hero.

You got a deranged kid, shooting up everybody and you want cops, who haven't shot a gun since Tyrone the black guy was jay walking??????????? and you want him to go into a building and save lives? Had that been a predominate black school, they would have dropped bombs inside the school.

Bottom line, they know, white people are crazy

I was a career Navy medic and assigned with the Marines, I was armed with the 9mm pistol, the Marines around me were armed with M16A4's and SAW's we, myself included were taught to go "toward" the gunfire. It's drummed into you.
If you're a cop and you here what are obviously people being shot, you don't sit back and wait your duty is to save lives, even if it means sacrificing your own in the attempt.

Those cops for the rest of their lives will have to live with this shit....must we add to that? I am not a friend of cops, I've seen too often my people the target of their bravery......but lets keep it real, please, please please.....cops are human beings, most are not brave and the only times you see bravery with these people is when minorities are unarmed or caught off guard. And its only then people like you, herald them as hero's....you can not except this type of bravery and dismiss them next as cowards...

 

[tigerred59]

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive.....this hero shit is for the movies and just a hand full of brave men, mainly our soldiers and firefighters. Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later. In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....fuck being a hero...unless its an unarmed black man with expired tags on his car, then you got a fuckin hero.

You got a deranged kid, shooting up everybody and you want cops, who haven't shot a gun since Tyrone the black guy was jay walking??????????? and you want him to go into a building and save lives? Had that been a predominate black school, they would have dropped bombs inside the school.

Bottom line, they know, white people are crazy

I was a career Navy medic and assigned with the Marines, I was armed with the 9mm pistol, the Marines around me were armed with M16A4's and SAW's we, myself included were taught to go "toward" the gunfire. It's drummed into you.
If you're a cop and you here what are obviously people being shot, you don't sit back and wait your duty is to save lives, even if it means sacrificing your own in the attempt.

Those cops for the rest of their lives will have to live with this shit....must we add to that? I am not a friend of cops, I've seen too often my people the target of their bravery......but lets keep it real, please, please please.....cops are human beings, most are not brave and the only times you see bravery with these people is when minorities are unarmed or caught off guard. And its only then people like you, herald them as hero's....you can not except this type of bravery and dismiss them next as cowards...

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive.....this hero shit is for the movies and just a hand full of brave men, mainly our soldiers and firefighters. Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later. In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....fuck being a hero...unless its an unarmed black man with expired tags on his car, then you got a fuckin hero.

You got a deranged kid, shooting up everybody and you want cops, who haven't shot a gun since Tyrone the black guy was jay walking??????????? and you want him to go into a building and save lives? Had that been a predominate black school, they would have dropped bombs inside the school.

Bottom line, they know, white people are crazy

I was a career Navy medic and assigned with the Marines, I was armed with the 9mm pistol, the Marines around me were armed with M16A4's and SAW's we, myself included were taught to go "toward" the gunfire. It's drummed into you.
If you're a cop and you here what are obviously people being shot, you don't sit back and wait your duty is to save lives, even if it means sacrificing your own in the attempt.

I was in the Navy for 10 years and like you worked side by side with Marines in the intel division. I served under Reagan and lived with the threat of nuclear war everyday until the nut saw the light.....I learned how to shoot and protect myself, however, as a proud gun owner, living in da hood, there's not a day that don't go by I fantasize about protecting my family....but in reality, I'm scared shittless knowing I may have to take a life or give mine up someday...BECAUSE I'M HUMAN!!

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I find it funny that Republicans are now throwing an officer under the bus because they want to defend their precious guns and want teachers to become gun slinging cowboys and cowgirls.

But they have no problem defending a cop when they shoot unarmed minorities.

Thanks for the apples and oranges.

 

[LuckyDuck]

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive.....this hero shit is for the movies and just a hand full of brave men, mainly our soldiers and firefighters. Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later. In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....fuck being a hero...unless its an unarmed black man with expired tags on his car, then you got a fuckin hero.

You got a deranged kid, shooting up everybody and you want cops, who haven't shot a gun since Tyrone the black guy was jay walking??????????? and you want him to go into a building and save lives? Had that been a predominate black school, they would have dropped bombs inside the school.

Bottom line, they know, white people are crazy

I was a career Navy medic and assigned with the Marines, I was armed with the 9mm pistol, the Marines around me were armed with M16A4's and SAW's we, myself included were taught to go "toward" the gunfire. It's drummed into you.
If you're a cop and you here what are obviously people being shot, you don't sit back and wait your duty is to save lives, even if it means sacrificing your own in the attempt.

Those cops for the rest of their lives will have to live with this shit....must we add to that? I am not a friend of cops, I've seen too often my people the target of their bravery......but lets keep it real, please, please please.....cops are human beings, most are not brave and the only times you see bravery with these people is when minorities are unarmed or caught off guard. And its only then people like you, herald them as hero's....you can not except this type of bravery and dismiss them next as cowards...

Minorities (no doubt you are referring to blacks) only get into serious circumstances with cops when they start giving the cop "attitude." Once they pull you over, or stop you on the street, your situation is officially "being detained" for the moment while they assess what you are doing. As long as you cooperate and don't give them crap (and aren't committing crimes), you go on your way. You start giving them lip, then it escalates and not in your favor. That is not to say that there aren't a significant minority of cops who are crap, but as I said, they are the minority.
As to the original situation OP put in, if you here what sounds like people being shot at, you don't sit there while more continue to die.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

These cops failed to respond when they were needed most, even the city police were surprised the deputies did not go in.

Bottom line here we had four county deputies that failed in their duty.
The sheriff needs to resign.

 

[80zephyr]

What it points out in glaring unflinching reality is putting a gun in someone's hand, a teacher or janitor or someone else at the school, in no way prepares a human being for the moment they have to walk into assault rifle gunfire 'to do a job'. Even the police that are much more highly trained than any teacher at a school hesitate and have trouble functioning in the moment of reality.

And how can you a) blame people for a reaction that NOBODY can know of before actually being in a life and death situation, and b) expect people that aren't trained nearly as much as the police to react like rambo in that situation. Police are human beings, you can bet many of them are either terrified when out in the field and are involved in a gunfight, or they're traumatized to the point of great anxiety in every encounter they have with the public. The nonstop shootings of unarmed civilians we've seen illustrates with great clarity that a number of police officers are in fact terrified. Some of the police are as scared to death while doing their job as anyone that isn't a cop would be.

And even when the military goes into battle there are people that freeze up and can't function. A mortal threat to anyone throws the book out the window, extensive training and repetition is the best method for lowering the instances of freezing and inability to function but it is no guarantee. All human beings react differently when faced with their death. And anyone that would say THEY know what they would do are lying and fronting. Some people actually RUN into bullets wizzing past, some freeze, some run. To expect people like teachers, administrators, and janitors to become super-heroes a moment after going over what the Pythagorean Theorem is is ludicrous.

I expect nothing from them other than to give them the opportunity to stay alive and keep others alive as well. If a dozen teachers have guns and they either all freeze or run, what changes? Nothing. But if even one confronts a shooter, it could have a profound impact on the carnage.

Mark

Dude, unless one is willing to take on this responsibility, and the system is prepared to provide AR-15's and body armor, we're talking a hollywood movie script. You people don't live in reality...you just don't. Youtube any shoot out.....first things you notice are those with guns running for cover, which is okay, but rarely do you see someone bravely stand down someone with a gun, unshielded. Imagine a teacher taking on this shit.....in the real world, shit like what you imagine just doesn't happen.....now what all schools in this country should do....starting on day one...is teach kids how to resolve anger, teach kids how to resolve conflicts...get into the minds of these kids and let them know, one bad day, does not constitute the end. Managing anger should be the number one lesson taught in our schools.

I see a no lose situation with guns in schools. The worst that could happen is happening already. Either guns can help or they can't. Lets find out. At least give those teachers a chance who throw their bodies in front of their students a chance to defend themselves.

Mark

 

[tigerred59]

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive.....this hero shit is for the movies and just a hand full of brave men, mainly our soldiers and firefighters. Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later. In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....fuck being a hero...unless its an unarmed black man with expired tags on his car, then you got a fuckin hero.

You got a deranged kid, shooting up everybody and you want cops, who haven't shot a gun since Tyrone the black guy was jay walking??????????? and you want him to go into a building and save lives? Had that been a predominate black school, they would have dropped bombs inside the school.

Bottom line, they know, white people are crazy

I was a career Navy medic and assigned with the Marines, I was armed with the 9mm pistol, the Marines around me were armed with M16A4's and SAW's we, myself included were taught to go "toward" the gunfire. It's drummed into you.
If you're a cop and you here what are obviously people being shot, you don't sit back and wait your duty is to save lives, even if it means sacrificing your own in the attempt.

Those cops for the rest of their lives will have to live with this shit....must we add to that? I am not a friend of cops, I've seen too often my people the target of their bravery......but lets keep it real, please, please please.....cops are human beings, most are not brave and the only times you see bravery with these people is when minorities are unarmed or caught off guard. And its only then people like you, herald them as hero's....you can not except this type of bravery and dismiss them next as cowards...

Minorities (no doubt you are referring to blacks) only get into serious circumstances with cops when they start giving the cop "attitude." Once they pull you over, or stop you on the street, your situation is officially "being detained" for the moment while they assess what you are doing. As long as you cooperate and don't give them crap (and aren't committing crimes), you go on your way. You start giving them lip, then it escalates and not in your favor. That is not to say that there aren't a significant minority of cops who are crap, but as I said, they are the minority.
As to the original situation OP put in, if you here what sounds like people being shot at, you don't sit there while more continue to die.

black man reaches for wallet and is shot
black man hands in air, is shot
Man hand cuff and beat

sell your fuckin shit to somebody that gives a damn,

 

[tigerred59]

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive.....this hero shit is for the movies and just a hand full of brave men, mainly our soldiers and firefighters. Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later. In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....fuck being a hero...unless its an unarmed black man with expired tags on his car, then you got a fuckin hero.

You got a deranged kid, shooting up everybody and you want cops, who haven't shot a gun since Tyrone the black guy was jay walking??????????? and you want him to go into a building and save lives? Had that been a predominate black school, they would have dropped bombs inside the school.

Bottom line, they know, white people are crazy

I was a career Navy medic and assigned with the Marines, I was armed with the 9mm pistol, the Marines around me were armed with M16A4's and SAW's we, myself included were taught to go "toward" the gunfire. It's drummed into you.
If you're a cop and you here what are obviously people being shot, you don't sit back and wait your duty is to save lives, even if it means sacrificing your own in the attempt.

Those cops for the rest of their lives will have to live with this shit....must we add to that? I am not a friend of cops, I've seen too often my people the target of their bravery......but lets keep it real, please, please please.....cops are human beings, most are not brave and the only times you see bravery with these people is when minorities are unarmed or caught off guard. And its only then people like you, herald them as hero's....you can not except this type of bravery and dismiss them next as cowards...

Minorities (no doubt you are referring to blacks) only get into serious circumstances with cops when they start giving the cop "attitude." Once they pull you over, or stop you on the street, your situation is officially "being detained" for the moment while they assess what you are doing. As long as you cooperate and don't give them crap (and aren't committing crimes), you go on your way. You start giving them lip, then it escalates and not in your favor. That is not to say that there aren't a significant minority of cops who are crap, but as I said, they are the minority.
As to the original situation OP put in, if you here what sounds like people being shot at, you don't sit there while more continue to die.

I noticed your suddenly gone to bed, good night

 

[usmbguest5318]

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive.....this hero shit is for the movies and just a hand full of brave men, mainly our soldiers and firefighters. Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later. In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....fuck being a hero...unless its an unarmed black man with expired tags on his car, then you got a fuckin hero.

You got a deranged kid, shooting up everybody and you want cops, who haven't shot a gun since Tyrone the black guy was jay walking??????????? and you want him to go into a building and save lives? Had that been a predominate black school, they would have dropped bombs inside the school.

Bottom line, they know, white people are crazy

In the real fuckin world, the first instinct of humans is to survive....Most people just want to live...and this is apparent when you see time after time after time over the last few years, cops shooting black men first out of sheer fear, and then asking questions later....In the real world, cops are just human beings like the rest of us and their first instincts is to survive....

Yes, but the fact of the matter is that cops, somewhat like soldiers, are employed, trained and paid to subordinate those urges. When they don't do so, quite simply, they aren't adequately enough doing a part of the job they signed-up to do and that they are paid to perform.

Fear of perishing is a healthy emotion when its possessed and heeded in a perspicacious manner. When fear is given too great a role in governing one's thoughts and deeds, it catalyzes unsuitable, irrational and/or inapt outcomes. Such outcomes, among cops and soldiers, include not doing the very thing they are employed to do.

Does that mean that cops and actively serving soldiers are held to higher and/or more rigid behavioral standards than are the rest of us? Yes, it does. Considering them as mere men and women, I fully understand and adjudge as "normal" the FL cops choice(s) not to enter the Parkland school. Considering them as cops, I see men and women who agreed to take a job whereof they, in fact, were unwilling to fulfill all the obligations that job carries.

Dude, its just a job, its just a uniform.....all this attached banter about their tax payer obligations don't mean crap. In the real world, fear takes priority. Everybody wants to jump down these men throats for wanting to stay alive and yet you give a pass to another tax paid servant that acts like a fuckin moron 24/7, ie Trump. 2 examples of people showing thier true character in light of what is expected.

Dude, its just a job, its just a uniform.....

Well, if that's how you feel about it, and I'm not suggesting you aren't entitled to feel that way with regard to your own evaluation of a career you might pursue as a cop or soldier, I'm glad you aren't one of the cops patrolling my streets.

• Harms Way Procedure
  
• The "Emergency Aid Doctrine"
  
• Addressing cops' confusion over 'the public duty doctrine'
  "Officers must balance the pros and cons of taking action against the rights, responsibilities, and the limitations of the profession imposed upon them by the Constitution, statute, and case law." Notice that self-preservation isn't part of the equation.

No disrespect, but I served 10 years in Navy and I have been privy many many times locally to see our cops in action....and I'm never impressed. They're never around when the real danger is posed. They come after the fact. I've never seen in my neck of the woods a hero story about cops, never. Now I've seen them bravely give tickets out for seat belts not being warn, I've seen many times them shoot unarmed blacks, but hero's.....I'm still waiting. My reality and I'm sticking to it!!

What is one to say to that? Your experiences and personal observations are what they are. I think it unfortunate that your experience consists only of cops being disappointments. The verity of your interactions and observations of police behavior doesn't, however, define the normative standards to which each of us, including you, has a reasonable basis to hold cops accountable.

They're never around when the real danger is posed. They come after the fact....but hero's.....I'm still waiting.

I think too part of what's at issue in your mind is the inadequacy with which law enforcement officers and institutions interdict rather than react to criminal behavior among the citizenry. In fairness, cops aren't psychic and they don't have crystal balls. Accordingly, the scope of crime prevention they can perform is largely limited to apprehending extant offenders and commencing the process by which they are denied subsequent opportunities to commit similar and/or worse offenses.

The circumstance in Parkland, FL is an uncommon one in that it was an instance in which some law enforcement officers were on-site in the midst of a crime and, seemingly, before all 17 kids had been shot dead, yet they demurred from entering the building and confronting him. Clearly, those cops didn't behave heroically, but that doesn't mean they should not have and it doesn't mean they hadn't any onus to have done so.

The normative standards some cops at Parkland and others disregarded, unless I misread your OP, is the basis for this thread's title and OP remarks. As goes whether the cops who responded to the MSD school's request for help, it's clear they didn't exert the full bore of their resources to serve their community. Had they performed the mental calculus I described in post 27, it's possible that instead of talking about 12 dead kids and two dead teachers, we'd instead be talking about some fewer quantity of such and some quantity of dead or injured cops and perhaps a dead shooter. That too would have been a sorrowful outcome and subsequent conversation, but given the expectation that cops, when called to do so, duty to enter harm's way, it'd have been an outcome and conversation concomitant with part of why communities cops.

 

[theHawk]

But they have no problem defending a cop when they shoot unarmed minorities.

Most "minorities" are armed

Really? I am a minority(black) . And the only people in my family who have guns, are the ones who were in the military or who are cops.
Everyone else is gun free.

I said most, not all

You cannot even say most. And even if it's most, the minorities cops are killing are unarmed.

Cops kill more white people than blacks.

 

[toobfreak]

I must admit that I haven’t been keeping up on this issue. It’s all just noise at this point.

But, based on what I know, I believe that the cops didn’t go in because of training and police procedures rather than out of cowardice.

For decades the accepted procedure in these cases is to cordon the offender and his hostages and wait did SWAT or HRT before breach.

My own department changed to the current AAO process to allow front line cops to breach in a very specific set of circumstances only three years ago. It took nearly two years to get all the cops through the five day training to do that.

I would not be surprised to hear, when all the facts come out, that the cops had been ordered to stay outside the hot cordon until SWAT arrived.

It doesn't take special training or orders to tell me to do the decent thing out of good conscience and put the lives of children above my own concerns rather than stand by while kid after kid is shot dead and I just stand by and wind my watch. I bet the feeling would be quite different if that was YOUR kid inside the building! If it takes a fucking SWAT team now to deal with one 17 year old punk, then we are all in danger and one best gun-up in your own self-defense now while you can still get them because your local police force isn't worth a damn for anything but enforcing law (making arrests after the fact), writing tickets and processing paperwork.

 

[toobfreak]

in no way prepares a human being for the moment they have to walk into assault rifle gunfire 'to do a job'.

I guess you've slept right through the fact that no assault rifles have ever been involved in any school killing.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

What it points out in glaring unflinching reality is putting a gun in someone's hand, a teacher or janitor or someone else at the school, in no way prepares a human being for the moment they have to walk into assault rifle gunfire 'to do a job'. Even the police that are much more highly trained than any teacher at a school hesitate and have trouble functioning in the moment of reality.

And how can you a) blame people for a reaction that NOBODY can know of before actually being in a life and death situation, and b) expect people that aren't trained nearly as much as the police to react like rambo in that situation. Police are human beings, you can bet many of them are either terrified when out in the field and are involved in a gunfight, or they're traumatized to the point of great anxiety in every encounter they have with the public. The nonstop shootings of unarmed civilians we've seen illustrates with great clarity that a number of police officers are in fact terrified. Some of the police are as scared to death while doing their job as anyone that isn't a cop would be.

And even when the military goes into battle there are people that freeze up and can't function. A mortal threat to anyone throws the book out the window, extensive training and repetition is the best method for lowering the instances of freezing and inability to function but it is no guarantee. All human beings react differently when faced with their death. And anyone that would say THEY know what they would do are lying and fronting. Some people actually RUN into bullets wizzing past, some freeze, some run. To expect people like teachers, administrators, and janitors to become super-heroes a moment after going over what the Pythagorean Theorem is is ludicrous.

ConcealedCarry heroes do what is needed everyday and don't freeze up. You're just pushing the Democrat line who really doesn't want mass shootings to end.