Stone to rehablitate Hilter Stalin and Mao.

[Big Fitz]

Hence, if he is seeking to making a film about a right wing dictator

How is the National Socialist Party (Nazi) party suddenly Right Wing?

 

[MaggieMae]

By the end of Napolean's life. He was vilified throughout europe as an evil person.

But now in France he is hailed as a patriot and a hero.

As time goes by and generations pass.

Hitler will also be rehabilited. It's just the way things happen over time.

Only if humans keep inbreeding and creating idiots whose only knowledge of history is found on YouTube.

 

[Big Fitz]

The notion of Hitler as a rightwinger is largely a late thirties fiction created by the American Stalinist left -a rather large crowd at the time all things considered - who wished to differentiate between Hitler and Uncle Joe which differentiation was required only because they took different sides in the Spanish Civil War. Prior to that they had as much Fulsome prasie for Adolph and Benito as they had for Joe.

What people such as BFRGN don't know about history would fill a book though they'd refuse to read it.

Mostly because otherwise they'd have been tarred, correctly, with the same brush. And we needed the Russians to keep putting pressure on Germany from the East.

That said, we should have taken the momentum and strike at Stalin when they were weak and we were still building up, like Patton suggested. Just think if we could have toppled the communists in say 1946 or 47 how much of the world's population would have been saved from Genocide if there had been no Stalin?

Not to mention no communist support for Mao, or Ho Chi Min, or North Korea, or Castro, or Ortega, or Biafra, or Pol Pot, or...

 

[Sodafin]

Hence, if he is seeking to making a film about a right wing dictator

How is the National Socialist Party (Nazi) party suddenly Right Wing?

Why suddenly?

Nazism is now, and always has been, considered a right wing party.

Check any academic source (i.e. Marris, Kershaw) on this - it isn't a disputed point that I'm aware of.

Garyd-

If you don't know - just ask. What you have posted has no basis at all in reality.

 

[Sodafin]

Hence, if he is seeking to making a film about a right wing dictator

How is the National Socialist Party (Nazi) party suddenly Right Wing?

Why suddenly?

Nazism is now, and always has been, considered a right wing party.

Check any academic source (i.e. Marris, Kershaw) on this - it isn't a disputed point that I'm aware of.

Garyd-

If you don't know - just ask. What you have posted has no basis at all in reality.

 

[Sodafin]

Not to mention no communist support for Mao, or Ho Chi Min, or North Korea, or Castro, or Ortega, or Biafra, or Pol Pot, or...

Oh, I can't wait to hear this one - would you mind outlining your position of the Igbo uprising and Nigerian civil war?

 

[garyd]

Sorry Soda read Jona Goldbergs excellent book on the subject you'll get chapter and verse of all the nit wit left of the thirties praising both Hitler and Moussolini. Hitler never considered himself a rightwinger nor did Moussolini. the reality is that the only difference between Stalins socialism and that of Moussolini and Hitler was that word national and when push came to shove even that disappeared -see the Great Patriotic War if you think other wise.

You need to read some historians that aren't themsleves left of center. granted this day and age they are hard to find especially in the halls of academe.

 

[namvet]

JFK should have been labeled a comedy

 

[William Joyce]

What context excatly do mass murderers need?

I don't know... ask Ariel Sharon.

 

[MaggieMae]

By the end of Napolean's life. He was vilified throughout europe as an evil person.

But now in France he is hailed as a patriot and a hero.

As time goes by and generations pass.

Hitler will also be rehabilited. It's just the way things happen over time.

Firstly - you really haven't spent a lot of time in Germany recently, have you?

Hitler is vilified in Germany - he is remembered as the man who disgraced Germany, who destroyed the economy and the infrastructure, and stained the name of German people forever.

Sure, now he is disliked.

But I was talking about say a hundred years from now.

As generations pass and historical memories fade.

Hitler and the Nazis will be viewed differently.

You're assuming the human race will even resemble what it is today. At the rate technology is advancing, in a hundred years, humans could well be far more interested in interterrestrial history or relegated back to grunting from caves.

 

[Bfgrn]

The notion of Hitler as a rightwinger is largely a late thirties fiction created by the American Stalinist left -a rather large crowd at the time all things considered - who wished to differentiate between Hitler and Uncle Joe which differentiation was required only because they took different sides in the Spanish Civil War. Prior to that they had as much Fulsome prasie for Adolph and Benito as they had for Joe.

What people such as BFRGN don't know about history would fill a book though they'd refuse to read it.

'Notion'...Really?

The Moral Majority is nothing NEW

"If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ... We need to pull out all the stops to recruit and train 25 million Americans to become informed pro-moral activists whose voices can be heard in the halls of Congress."

"I am convinced that America can be turned around if we will all get serious about the Master's business. It may be late, but it is never too late to do what is right. We need an old-fashioned, God-honoring, Christ-exalting revival to turn American back to God. America can be saved!"

Jerry Falwell
"Moral Majority Report" for September, 1984

"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality."

"Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."

Adolf Hitler
The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.

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It was American corporations and bankers that helped support Hitler...your typical 'liberals'

And maybe it would help if you studied some history of the Soviet Union...

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies

Published: February 27, 1989

MOSCOW, Feb. 26— Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

Nikita F. Zherbin, head of the Leningrad chapter of Pamyat, delighted in the fact that Mr. Korotich had been forced off the ballot in Moscow's Sverdlovsk region, and described this as the first successful step in the conservative campaign to use the elections as a vehicle for its political ideas. 'I Am a Stalinist'

''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

 

[MaggieMae]

Given Hitler was right wing, and Stone left wing, I strongly doubt Stone is going to praise him, somehow.

You need to get out of your intellectual prison. A tyrant is a person who kills a person who thinks for himself. By wholesale lots. Don't get lost in weird distinctions without a difference.

Just because the uniforms were better designed does not mean Hitler was right wing. A centrally planned government controlled economy is not right wing.

If you get lost in irrelevancies like this you wind up excusing bad guys because they are your bad guys. Oliver Stone is famous for this kind of bad behavior. It is what made JFK such a horrible movie.

It is ok to distinguish in degree. A lot of times, you need to deal with the issue of a degree of difference, and make a deal with the devil on that basis. Which is what Churchill did in the summer of 1941. Heck that is what Finland did that summer as well. They just made different choices based on who was a greater direct threat.

You can't go the route of my psychotic megalomanic mass murderer is a good psychotic megalomanic mass murderer and yours isn't.

Now Napoleon, for all his bad reputation was a huge improvement on what went before. Especially for the french. The expenses of his wars as time went on were borne mostly by his catspaws. So judging Napoleon, we work on the basis degree rather than kind, and he was a better deal. Not always. He smashed everything in his path, the good as well as the bad, and he destroyed republics as well as kingdoms. And he fundamentally broke forever the power of the nobility all through europe. Because of him, kings in europe have no more relevance than the kings in a deck of cards. And for that, he earns a monument. But to judge his rule as anything but a negative in itself it to lose your moral compass.

Isn't it historically fascinating that with the rise of every empire there inevitably comes the fall.

 

[William Joyce]

By the end of Napolean's life. He was vilified throughout europe as an evil person.

But now in France he is hailed as a patriot and a hero.

As time goes by and generations pass.

Hitler will also be rehabilited. It's just the way things happen over time.

Firstly - you really haven't spent a lot of time in Germany recently, have you?

Hitler is vilified in Germany - he is remembered as the man who disgraced Germany, who destroyed the economy and the infrastructure, and stained the name of German people forever.

They did a poll where they asked Germans whether the family/family values was stronger and more respected under Hitler, or today.

They said "under Hitler."

The right in Germany does not "vilify" Hitler. They admire him.

Many Germans are sick and tired of being the "dog to kick" of the entire world, do not think Islamic immigration has been good for them, and are exhausted by continual bleating about "the Holocaust" and object to the continual payments to Israel.

Most Germans think they've paid for their "sins", many times over.

Think also about the fact that it's ILLEGAL to say nice things about Hitler in Germany, so your insistence that this is the natural attitude is obviously skewed. This is basically like saying "most Americans willingly pay their taxes; therefore, Americans love to pay taxes." Nope.

 

[Big Fitz]

Hence, if he is seeking to making a film about a right wing dictator

How is the National Socialist Party (Nazi) party suddenly Right Wing?

Why suddenly?

Nazism is now, and always has been, considered a right wing party.

Check any academic source (i.e. Marris, Kershaw) on this - it isn't a disputed point that I'm aware of.

Garyd-

If you don't know - just ask. What you have posted has no basis at all in reality.

Only by idiots and those trying to cover their own similarity to the nazis.

 

[Sodafin]

Sorry Soda read Jona Goldbergs excellent book on the subject you'll get chapter and verse of all the nit wit left of the thirties praising both Hitler and Moussolini. Hitler never considered himself a rightwinger nor did Moussolini. the reality is that the only difference between Stalins socialism and that of Moussolini and Hitler was that word national and when push came to shove even that disappeared -see the Great Patriotic War if you think other wise.

You need to read some historians that aren't themsleves left of center. granted this day and age they are hard to find especially in the halls of academe.

Ha! Hilarious stuff - honestly, where do you people come up with this garbage?

Please go ahead and check any serious political source - and I mean ANY SERIOUS political source, and come back when you are up to speed.

btw, I do have a Masters in Political Theory, and have published extensively on Fascist Theory - and am happy to prove it.

 

[namvet]

stone's run outta $$$$ crap is king

co producer michael moron

 

[Big Fitz]

Sorry Soda read Jona Goldbergs excellent book on the subject you'll get chapter and verse of all the nit wit left of the thirties praising both Hitler and Moussolini. Hitler never considered himself a rightwinger nor did Moussolini. the reality is that the only difference between Stalins socialism and that of Moussolini and Hitler was that word national and when push came to shove even that disappeared -see the Great Patriotic War if you think other wise.

You need to read some historians that aren't themsleves left of center. granted this day and age they are hard to find especially in the halls of academe.

Ha! Hilarious stuff - honestly, where do you people come up with this garbage?

Please go ahead and check any serious political source - and I mean ANY SERIOUS political source, and come back when you are up to speed.

btw, I do have a Masters in Political Theory, and have published extensively on Fascist Theory - and am happy to prove it.

Proof positive that even experts have political agendas they push.

This of course assumes you're telling the truth.

 

[MaggieMae]

Oliver Stone's 'Secret History' to put Hitler 'in context'
TCA -- Director Oliver Stone's upcoming Showtime documentary miniseries "Secret History of America" promises to put mass murderers such as Stalin and Hitler "in context."

"Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy -- these people have been vilified pretty thoroughly by history," Stone told reporters at the Television Critics Association's semi-annual press tour in Pasadena.

Oliver Stone's 'Secret History' to put Hitler 'in context'--The Live Feed | THR
At some point you just have to say What ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7_3n7xyDg

Yeah, "WHATEVER" indeed. Oliver Stone is what is wrong with our education, the younger generation gets their history lessons from hollywood

"You cannot approach history unless you have empathy for the person you may hate," Stone said during the show's trailer, which promised to put historical villains "in context." ~Oliver IDIOT Stone~

Empathy???

So you think a movie about an historic era 70+ years ago is going to be a bigger box office hit with the younger generation than Avatar which is already outgrossing Titanic? Please, what planet do you inhabit... The younger generation isn't interested in much more than flights of fantasy via films, from the violent ones that portray the good guys winning with mega weapons to futuristic fun.

 

[Sodafin]

Only by idiots and those trying to cover their own similarity to the nazis.

No, by all serious academic sources - and I'm happy to list as many books as you are willing to commit to reading. Start with Michael Marris's "Holocaust in Hsstory" or Ian Kershaw's excellent "Nazi Dictatorship" -- both of which detail in exactly what way Nazism is right wing.

This is not a disputed issue, this is not contentious or even occasionally debated in political theory circles - it as simple and established a fact, and easily proven.

If you wish to argue this - please present detail your position, and present some solid sources to back up your claims.

 

[garyd]

There is no de facto right wing party in Germany. Neo Nazis not being rightwingers in the sense of small government types. The right prefers smaller governments. Neo Nazis prefer larger governments the only real difference between them and anyother big government social engineers is in what they want big government to engineer.


Soda I have over 179 hours concentrated in history and education and a life time of reading history ever read Mein Kampf? Obviously not or you'd know better.

Goldberg cites dozens of newspaper editorials by well know leftist and other works by the same pre Spanish Civil War in Praise of both Hitler and Moussolini. The items are fully foot noted. Political science isn't history and the way it is currently taught in most major univeristies it is not infrequently bilge.