stock market: good or bad?

good or bad?

  • good

    Votes: 7 53.8%
  • bad

    Votes: 6 46.2%

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I believe in this:
"Why 99% of trading is pointless?
By Mitch Tuchman
Published: Aug 1, 2015 8:32 a.m. ET

Bloomberg News/Landov
An astonishing $32 trillion in securities changes hands every year with no net positive impact for investors, charges Vanguard Group Founder John Bogle.

Meanwhile, corporate finance — the reason Wall Street exists — is just a tiny slice of the total business. The nation's big investment banks probably could work for less than a week and take the rest of the year off with no real effect on the economy.


"The job of finance is to provide capital to companies. We do it to the tune of $250 billion a year in IPOs and secondary offerings," Bogle told Time in an interview.


"What else do we do? We encourage investors to trade about $32 trillion a year. So the way I calculate it, 99% of what we do in this industry is people trading with one another, with a gain only to the middleman. It's a waste of resources."

Rent seekers

It's a lot of money, $32 trillion. Nearly double the entire U.S. economy moving from one pocket to another, with a toll-taker in the middle. Most people refer to them as "stock brokers," but let's call them what they are — toll-takers and rent-seekers.

Rent-seeking as an occupation is as old as the hills. In exchange for working to build up credentials and relative fluency in the arcane rules of an industry, one gets to stand back from actual work and just collect money.

Ostensibly, the job of a financial adviser is to provide advice. Do you actually get that from your broker? It is worth anything?

Research shows, over and over, that stock brokers can't do much of anything demonstrably valuable. They don't know which stocks will go up or down and when. They don't know which asset classes will outperform this year or next.

Nobody knows. That's the point. If you're among that small cadre of extremely high-level traders who can throw loads of cash at a short-term fluke, fantastic. If you have a mind for numbers like Warren Buffett that allows you to buy companies on the cheap and hold them forever, excellent.

If you're a normal retirement investor trying to get from A to B and retire on time, well, you have a really big problem to face: The toll-taker wants your money.

Dead weight

So he needs you to trade — a lot. Because that's how stock brokers make money. Not by doling out retirement advice, but by ensuring that your account is active and churning commissions on behalf of them and their employers.

What's a highway with no traffic on it? If you're a toll-taker, it's a money loser. So Wall Street's rent-seekers need traffic in the form of regular trading. An account that sits invested for months at a time with no trades is dead weight to them.

Nevertheless, as Bogle maintains, doing nothing is the key. "Don't do something, just stand there!" he has often said.

A portfolio indexing approach to investing codifies Bogle's time-tested and effective way of investing for retirement — without lining the pockets of toll-taking stock brokers along the way."

More from MarketWatch: Why 99% of trading is pointless
 
Good for short-term investing, buy low, sell high. But long-term we're gonna default on the national debt or any of a number of other calamities will occur causing the global economy to collapse.
 
I believe in this:
"Why 99% of trading is pointless?
By Mitch Tuchman
Published: Aug 1, 2015 8:32 a.m. ET

Bloomberg News/Landov
An astonishing $32 trillion in securities changes hands every year with no net positive impact for investors, charges Vanguard Group Founder John Bogle.
well no fucking shit. Its a zero sum game. This is the dumbest statement regarding the stock market i have ever heard. The author has shit for brains.
 
if folks had listened to Trump over the last 6 years things would have worked out, it would have worked out. we are so tied up with china. when things go bad with china, they go bad with us. we're just tied in. we're tied in. and we're tied in to their advantage, not our advantage. what we have to do is be smart. we have to be smart. WE HAVE TO STOP THEM FROM DEVALUING THEIR CURRENCY. PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL DO THAT!
 
if folks had listened to Trump over the last 6 years things would have worked out, it would have worked out. we are so tied up with china. when things go bad with china, they go bad with us. we're just tied in. we're tied in. and we're tied in to their advantage, not our advantage. what we have to do is be smart. we have to be smart. WE HAVE TO STOP THEM FROM DEVALUING THEIR CURRENCY. PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL DO THAT!

Their currency is overvalued, not undervalued.
 
if folks had listened to Trump over the last 6 years things would have worked out, it would have worked out. we are so tied up with china. when things go bad with china, they go bad with us. we're just tied in. we're tied in. and we're tied in to their advantage, not our advantage. what we have to do is be smart. we have to be smart. WE HAVE TO STOP THEM FROM DEVALUING THEIR CURRENCY. PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL DO THAT!

No he won't, you idiot.

China is in trouble.

The CNY is going lower.
 
if folks had listened to Trump over the last 6 years things would have worked out, it would have worked out. we are so tied up with china. when things go bad with china, they go bad with us. we're just tied in. we're tied in. and we're tied in to their advantage, not our advantage. what we have to do is be smart. we have to be smart. WE HAVE TO STOP THEM FROM DEVALUING THEIR CURRENCY. PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL DO THAT!

No he won't, you idiot.

China is in trouble.

The CNY is going lower.

CNY, Mainland or international Yuan? They're both going down but the mainland will go down further.
 
if folks had listened to Trump over the last 6 years things would have worked out, it would have worked out. we are so tied up with china. when things go bad with china, they go bad with us. we're just tied in. we're tied in. and we're tied in to their advantage, not our advantage. what we have to do is be smart. we have to be smart. WE HAVE TO STOP THEM FROM DEVALUING THEIR CURRENCY. PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL DO THAT!

No he won't, you idiot.

China is in trouble.

The CNY is going lower.

CNY, Mainland or international Yuan? They're both going down but the mainland will go down further.

If you invested your money in a foreign market then I feel the deepest pity for you without bragging. God takes care of drunks and fools
 

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