Still think the US doesn't produce enough oil and natural gas?

[flacaltenn]

More education
Cheaper education

Trade schools, College, on job education, etc.

Let's grow wealth in all classes!

Do you consider the possibility that not everyone in the US can be "improved" by education and training?

I don't buy that. There is a small percentage of troubled learners that can be DIAGNOSED with disability to learn.. Our work force needs flexibility and motivation to innovate. Education and training IS the key. Low-skilled labor is almost extinct.

You can believe the kid in the BuggerKing hat is at the height of their career. I see a future Chemical Engineer.. We need to have HIGHER expectations for education outcomes. Either that or your grandkids will be shopping at Le Dump..

 

[RGR]

What has that got to do with the economic benefits of the pipeline?
I wasn't referring to objections to oil per se.

And I wasn't commenting on the economic benefits of the pipeline either. Only the motivation of those who bitch about its construction from a position afforded them by other pipelines. Like they suddenly grew a conscience? I don't think so.

 

[idb]

The boom in oil shale and nat gas is IN SPITE of poor economic and regulatory climate. If you want to claim that validates your politics -- you're welcome to attempt that trick.

If you read about what's going on in the Dakotas -- the govt there can't even get their pants on fast enough to respond. Makes a donkey's arse out of the "you didn't build that" claim. Because lack of roads, houses, schools, etc, etc is NOT gonna stop the free marketers up there from succeeding. In fact, the companies and PRIVATE sources are voluntarily making up for the lethargy and incompetence of local, state, and fed govt..

I'm sure sooner or later an army of bureaucrats will descend on them and muck up the progress. Just be patient. Your heroes will finally arrive and stop all this progress..

How can you say that the increase is happening "in spite of" the gummint?
It's happening...and the gummint is in power...

By all means, please prove that there's no link.

No silly.. YOU might give admins credit for stuff they had NOTHING to do with -- but that's charlatanism. Go read the stories of how the private sector is taking up the slack there for a State/Local govt that can't even BEGIN to address the boom. The govts are lagging so far behind --- it'll be years before they can ruin the progress.

There's a whole thread on USMB (or two or three). Don't wanna re-tell that story. Go catch up on how it started and how significant the private enterprise and direction has been. Down to the level of providing their OWN infrastructure and schools and housing and paying MORE (voluntarily) in taxes and fees than they need to.

Lemme give ya a hint.. Last time I time -- McDonalds there were paying $10/hr to START. All without an act of Congress OR a class warfare speech by your Dear Leader..

But isn't this the Conservative ideal?
The companies are "building it" without assistance from the government.
And they are thriving.
The government shouldn't be picking winners.

Or have I misunderstood one of the core Republican messages from the election campaign?

 

[flacaltenn]

How can you say that the increase is happening "in spite of" the gummint?
It's happening...and the gummint is in power...

By all means, please prove that there's no link.

No silly.. YOU might give admins credit for stuff they had NOTHING to do with -- but that's charlatanism. Go read the stories of how the private sector is taking up the slack there for a State/Local govt that can't even BEGIN to address the boom. The govts are lagging so far behind --- it'll be years before they can ruin the progress.

There's a whole thread on USMB (or two or three). Don't wanna re-tell that story. Go catch up on how it started and how significant the private enterprise and direction has been. Down to the level of providing their OWN infrastructure and schools and housing and paying MORE (voluntarily) in taxes and fees than they need to.

Lemme give ya a hint.. Last time I time -- McDonalds there were paying $10/hr to START. All without an act of Congress OR a class warfare speech by your Dear Leader..

But isn't this the Conservative ideal?
The companies are "building it" without assistance from the government.
And they are thriving.
The government shouldn't be picking winners.

Or have I misunderstood one of the core Republican messages from the election campaign?

Of COURSE it is -- that's why we want all you unrepentent Statists to see it happen. It's NOT there because (according to Dear Leader) the GOVT built all that infrastructure and tossed all that loot in their direction.. It was hard for the Feds to STOP it because it's occurring on private land and new technology has developed (fracking and shale oil extraction) AHEAD of govt regulations and oversight. Like I said -- give the bureaucrats a few years, and those $12 McDonalds jobs and thousands of housing starts will be ended by govt regulation when the clowns arrive to "help"..

 

[RGR]

Do you consider the possibility that not everyone in the US can be "improved" by education and training?

I don't buy that. There is a small percentage of troubled learners that can be DIAGNOSED with disability to learn.. Our work force needs flexibility and motivation to innovate. Education and training IS the key. Low-skilled labor is almost extinct.

If the country is breeding low skilled labor, do you suppose education and training will change them? I find that a difficult position to accept, based on 30 years of experience with the labor markets. And not just the low skilled labor, my hopes for college grads isn't what it once was either.

You can believe the kid in the BuggerKing hat is at the height of their career. I see a future Chemical Engineer.. We need to have HIGHER expectations for education outcomes. Either that or your grandkids will be shopping at Le Dump..

Higher expectations is one thing. But expectations of any type do not by themselves create functioning neurons. So no, when I can't expect a new college grad to spend 5 days at his new job because it requires him to work outside (construction engineering being an indoor, desk job apparently), I have less hope for your mcdonalds employee.

 

[flacaltenn]

Do you consider the possibility that not everyone in the US can be "improved" by education and training?

I don't buy that. There is a small percentage of troubled learners that can be DIAGNOSED with disability to learn.. Our work force needs flexibility and motivation to innovate. Education and training IS the key. Low-skilled labor is almost extinct.

If the country is breeding low skilled labor, do you suppose education and training will change them? I find that a difficult position to accept, based on 30 years of experience with the labor markets. And not just the low skilled labor, my hopes for college grads isn't what it once was either.

You can believe the kid in the BuggerKing hat is at the height of their career. I see a future Chemical Engineer.. We need to have HIGHER expectations for education outcomes. Either that or your grandkids will be shopping at Le Dump..

Higher expectations is one thing. But expectations of any type do not by themselves create functioning neurons. So no, when I can't expect a new college grad to spend 5 days at his new job because it requires him to work outside (construction engineering being an indoor, desk job apparently), I have less hope for your mcdonalds employee.

Of course you create functioning neurons with higher expectations. The heroes of inner city education do it all the time. I'd like nothing more than a couple busloads of qualified East St Louis former gangbangers to show up for employment in Silicon Valley. This CAN happen..

It's not MY plan.. It's the reality of the next "industrial revolution". What's valued in a Global economy is "intellectual property" now, not sweat equity. The enemy of labor is NOT the CEOs, it's automation and efficiency. Even the "cheap labor" countries realize how fleeting their advantage will be..

 

[RGR]

Of course you create functioning neurons with higher expectations. The heroes of inner city education do it all the time. I'd like nothing more than a couple busloads of qualified East St Louis former gangbangers to show up for employment in Silicon Valley. This CAN happen..

Sure...it CAN happen. But you can't argue that it can happen everywhere because urban area exceptions are not the rule, they are the exception. Want to talk about what effect teachers cause when handed the raw material they are handed, that is a different question. The normal distribution of human intelligence makes it pretty clear that not everyone can become a chemical engineer, expectations or not (assuming we don't dumb down chemical engineering curriculum to generate exactly the sort of pumping up self esteem exercise so many subscribe to).

It's not MY plan.. It's the reality of the next "industrial revolution". What's valued in a Global economy is "intellectual property" now, not sweat equity. The enemy of labor is NOT the CEOs, it's automation and efficiency. Even the "cheap labor" countries realize how fleeting their advantage will be..

I agree with you. And am taking advantage of exactly this sort of transition myself. But that doesn't change the fact that America continues to breed low skilled labor, education which is dumbed down to allow some of these citizens to "succeed" doesn't solve the problem, and at the end of the day instead of more chemical engineers, those hopeful students come out of training with degrees in underwater basket weaving and now have no skills of value and $100G in student loans to pay off with their McDonalds sized paychecks.

 

[McDowell's]

So, if I might interpret, what you're saying is that the current environment is great for private enterprise.

That's a good thing isn't it?

The boom in oil shale and nat gas is IN SPITE of poor economic and regulatory climate. If you want to claim that validates your politics -- you're welcome to attempt that trick.

If you read about what's going on in the Dakotas -- the govt there can't even get their pants on fast enough to respond. Makes a donkey's arse out of the "you didn't build that" claim. Because lack of roads, houses, schools, etc, etc is NOT gonna stop the free marketers up there from succeeding. In fact, the companies and PRIVATE sources are voluntarily making up for the lethargy and incompetence of local, state, and fed govt..

I'm sure sooner or later an army of bureaucrats will descend on them and muck up the progress. Just be patient. Your heroes will finally arrive and stop all this progress..

How can you say that the increase is happening "in spite of" the gummint?
It's happening...and the gummint is in power...

By all means, please prove that there's no link.

Do you always answer your own questions...?

 

[flacaltenn]

Of course you create functioning neurons with higher expectations. The heroes of inner city education do it all the time. I'd like nothing more than a couple busloads of qualified East St Louis former gangbangers to show up for employment in Silicon Valley. This CAN happen..

Sure...it CAN happen. But you can't argue that it can happen everywhere because urban area exceptions are not the rule, they are the exception. Want to talk about what effect teachers cause when handed the raw material they are handed, that is a different question. The normal distribution of human intelligence makes it pretty clear that not everyone can become a chemical engineer, expectations or not (assuming we don't dumb down chemical engineering curriculum to generate exactly the sort of pumping up self esteem exercise so many subscribe to).

It's not MY plan.. It's the reality of the next "industrial revolution". What's valued in a Global economy is "intellectual property" now, not sweat equity. The enemy of labor is NOT the CEOs, it's automation and efficiency. Even the "cheap labor" countries realize how fleeting their advantage will be..

I agree with you. And am taking advantage of exactly this sort of transition myself. But that doesn't change the fact that America continues to breed low skilled labor, education which is dumbed down to allow some of these citizens to "succeed" doesn't solve the problem, and at the end of the day instead of more chemical engineers, those hopeful students come out of training with degrees in underwater basket weaving and now have no skills of value and $100G in student loans to pay off with their McDonalds sized paychecks.

Even the kids that go to college today have been damaged by a system that constantly experiments with their futures. The last decade -- was the "group project" decade. Where INDIVIDUAL effort and accomplishment was discounted as work was assigned "in groups". My daughter was always stuck with the illustrations because she's a talented artist. Made it thru 10 years or so -- just drawing on poster boards. FORTUNATELY, some of them are smart enough to KNOW what their contributions were. (She's studying NeuroBiology and not drawing so much anymore)

But raving aside, it's largely because kids are not challenged to buy into their own futures at an earlier age. The perennial "dumb asses" COULD figure out an animation program pkg or an Audio Mix Board. But our schools are still based on "standard curriculum"..

If you can figure out a successful meth lab -- you're 1/2 way there -- RIGHT???

Let's just say -- there are HUGE problems in what we ask of kids who are EXPECTED to fail. And we can't continue to let so many doom themselves so young. I'm just more optimistic about reaching a larger percentage of them with the right tools..

 

[idb]

The boom in oil shale and nat gas is IN SPITE of poor economic and regulatory climate. If you want to claim that validates your politics -- you're welcome to attempt that trick.

If you read about what's going on in the Dakotas -- the govt there can't even get their pants on fast enough to respond. Makes a donkey's arse out of the "you didn't build that" claim. Because lack of roads, houses, schools, etc, etc is NOT gonna stop the free marketers up there from succeeding. In fact, the companies and PRIVATE sources are voluntarily making up for the lethargy and incompetence of local, state, and fed govt..

I'm sure sooner or later an army of bureaucrats will descend on them and muck up the progress. Just be patient. Your heroes will finally arrive and stop all this progress..

How can you say that the increase is happening "in spite of" the gummint?
It's happening...and the gummint is in power...

By all means, please prove that there's no link.

Do you always answer your own questions...?

No.
Do you always spray non-sequiturs onto the screen when you type?

 

[bripat9643]

But isn't this the Conservative ideal?
The companies are "building it" without assistance from the government.
And they are thriving.
The government shouldn't be picking winners.

Or have I misunderstood one of the core Republican messages from the election campaign?

What a dimwit. The government shouldn't be deliberately obstructing the efforts of energy companies to produce oil and gas. That's what Obama is doing. The energy companies are producing despite Obama's deliberate attempt to run them out of business.

 

[idb]

But isn't this the Conservative ideal?
The companies are "building it" without assistance from the government.
And they are thriving.
The government shouldn't be picking winners.

Or have I misunderstood one of the core Republican messages from the election campaign?

What a dimwit. The government shouldn't be deliberately obstructing the efforts of energy companies to produce oil and gas. That's what Obama is doing. The energy companies are producing despite Obama's deliberate attempt to run them out of business.

He's crap at it then.
Another fail?

 

[bripat9643]

But isn't this the Conservative ideal?
The companies are "building it" without assistance from the government.
And they are thriving.
The government shouldn't be picking winners.

Or have I misunderstood one of the core Republican messages from the election campaign?

What a dimwit. The government shouldn't be deliberately obstructing the efforts of energy companies to produce oil and gas. That's what Obama is doing. The energy companies are producing despite Obama's deliberate attempt to run them out of business.

He's crap at it then.
Another fail?

He's crap at almost everything he does accept get elected. However, the invention of fracking and horizontal drilling are technical miracles. They are saving our bacon from the idiocies of the Obama regime.

 

[Mr. H.]

Bite me, troll.

 

[jaymiewilson]

The Private sector is making the US the largest producer of oil and gas on the planet.

Stop Fluffing Obama, start thinking

Agree!

 

[Mr. H.]

Step aside, Lady Liberals and let Lady Liberty take the lead.

Commerce, business acumen, marketing and sales.

Sales of real goods and services... not pretend social promises or phoney get-nowhere schemes.

Innovation, ingenuity, risk, and the uncertainty of reward. Hard work, sweat of brow.

Industry moves the people who want to move themselves.

Democrats motivate couch potatos to sprout out their asses.

Ass fuckers. No good do nothing anti-business anti-commerce socialist morons.