Still one country after all!

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  1. Zein El Nour
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    Here is an interesting take on the conflict:

    After 61 years, it has become apparent that the Palestinians and Israelis both believe that all of the land of historical Palestine believes to them. The Palestinians belief is evident in the rhetoric and the adherence to their Right of Return. They are backed by most of the Arab societies in that. Even Palestinians advocating the two states solution reiterate that they are conceding 78% of the land that rightfully belongs to them.

    The Israeli attachment to ‘Erez Israel’ or Greater Israel is also clear in the inability to let go of the West Bank, which they perceive to be the historic nucleaus of the ancient Jewish Kingdom (Judea and Samaria). Even when the Israelis withdrew from Gaza they spoke about painful concessions: they believed that they are giving up parts of what belongs to them.

    We all know by now that neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis are going anywhere, most of them at least. Splitting it up into two independent countries was actually neither side’s idea. The prospects of this idea to work are no better than they were 72 years ago. So in reality, what we have here is one country with two ethnic groups fighting over how to run it. In a few centuries (should humanity survive that long) the Palestinian-Israeli conflict will be referred to as a civil war!

    The country is too small to divide it into two. It is still one country after all!
     
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    Historical Palestine?

    When was Palestine ever an independent country on its own?

    Answer: Never

    When was Israel an independent country on its own?

    Answer: Around 4500 BC - 300 AD. 4800 years.

    How many countries do Arab Muslims have?

    Answer: 22

    How many countries do Jewish people of all ethnicities have?

    Answer: Excluding Israel, 0.

    I think this is pretty cut and dry. Tell the Arab countries to accept the other Arabs and give them 2 years to get out of the land. And have the Arabs, with all of their oil wealth, pay for the right of return... the right for the Arabs to return to Arab land.

    Oh and there were two Kingdoms. The Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judea. Sumeria was ancient Mesopatomia, i.e. Iraq.
     
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    LOL.

    It is really pointless to argue with someone clearly as ignorant as a melon, but for fun's sake I am going to answer few of your "statements"?:

    Yes my sweet melon, it was called Palestine during the Ottoman era and British mandate at least (you know the land has a name even if it is part of a larger empire. On small example:

    The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated 2 November 1917) was a classified formal statement of policy by the British government stating that "His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" with the understanding that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
    ( i won't put in a reference because you are not worth it! Just look it up)

    So what? Not only is this irrelevant to what the post is talking about, but it is also flawed: independent countries or nation states did not appear in the whole middle east before the the 20th century.

    LOL LOL LOL
    This is the best one.... So according to you the Biblical Kingdom of Israel was actually there 3000 years before Judaism... Please just go to any elementary history book before citing dates...

    Actually there are 24 Arab states (excluding Palestine)

    How many countries for Arab Jews? 22 (Jews living in Arab and other countries see themselves as citizens of those countries! Unless you consider American Jews not American! Your statement is clearly a racist one)

    And also...
    How many countries for Palestinians are there? 0

    As I said in the post, the Palestinians are not going anywhere! You have to live with that. And if you did not notice, you are advocating ethnic cleansing!

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    Again, my melon, just check any elementary book:

    Samaria, or the Shomron (Hebrew: שֹׁמְרוֹן‎, Standard Šoməron Tiberian Šōmərôn; Arabic: سامريّون‎, Sāmariyyūn or ألسامرة, as-Samarah – also known as جبال نابلس, Jibal Nablus; Greek: Σαμάρεια) is a term used for the mountainous region in northern Israel roughly corresponding to the northern part of the West Bank.

    Samaria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So listen you ignorant little infant. I made this post to have a serious discussion. Clearly you are unable or incapable of doing that because you are an ignorant fascist. So before you get your basic information straight it will be a waste of time to even read your posts.
     
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    No, what we have is one country and some unincorporated land on which some stateless people live. Calling these people Palestinians does mean there really is a state of Palestine. The Palestinians have consistently preferred to remain stateless if the alternative is to live in peace with the Jewish state of Israel. In 1948, they refused the UN's offer of an Arab state living in peace with a Jewish state, and as your post points out, the insistence to this day on a right of return is, in effect, a rejection of a two state solution.

    The alternative to a peaceful two state solution is not one state west of the Jordan river, but one state, Israel, and some unincorporated land on which some stateless people live. This was true in 1948, and it will be true in 2048, in 2148 and beyond.
     
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    There is no solution to this problem until the Jews of Israel and the Arabs of Palestine demand it of their leaders.

    The UN cannot impose it, and neither the Jews alone nor the Palestinians alone, can arrive at peace.

    Two peoples, each with a percieved legitmate claim to the same land = trouble.
     
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    Oh looky.. David the jew felt the urge to stick his hooked fucking nose into another thread trying to invalidate palis..

    then again.. this IS the same guy who voted yesterday that he would like to eliminate muslims from the face of the Earth.. not to mention the infamous calling for nuking muslims gathered for holiday (a circumstnacethat Princess and the rest of our zionists insist was "merely joking")


    Of course it's one fucking state. Of COURSE it should be shared equally between jews and palis. No shit. But don't let a jewish zionist hear you say that out loud... the ONLY acceptable solution for them is an ironic final solution that maintains a superior status for JEWS ONLY in the land. This is why we see david the fat jew post so vehemently that palis have never mattered.. while defending stone age real estate based on burning bush myths, no less.


    The ONLY road to peace is a single state of Palisrael shared by both jews and arabs equally under democratic rules that apply with no ethnic preference.


    But, to make this punchline rich.. WATCH who it is that insists that saying as much amounts to wanting to see dead jews floating in the sea (jillian) while the usual suspects toss out scarlet As for the mere idea of making israel act towards it's ****** class like America acts towards our jewish populations.
     
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    that is exactly like suggesting that native americans on a fucking reservation refuse to become a state because they are bitter about the trail of tears so it's their fucking fault that they havent polished the turd of their ethnic domination by another ethnicity.


    Hell, notice how this bastard INSISTS on a JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL with no less ethnic drive than David Duke at a fucking white power conference. If white america held the same position then we'd literally have to go to war with israel over Florida, New York and Holywood.
     
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    I would wipe Israel off the map - just like West Germany was wiped off the map... and make one nation, called 'Holy land' in Aramaic or something so that it touches on the SHARED core of the three religions who cherish that place. Go back far enoughand they all believe in the same God, and want the same things (respect for god, peace, etc.).
     

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