Stephen Hawking Defends Care in the UK

[PoliticalChic]

I don't like the English system, but it worked for Hawking for forty years.

The wheels have really come off the Republican Party.

you know Chris....being who the guy is...im sure he gets the best treatment possible compared to the regular peons.....

That would be the ideal conservative market based model, wouldn't it. The more money you have the better healthcare you can afford, the healthier you are. The less money you make, the less healthcare you can afford, the less healthy you are.

That is conservative economics in a nutshell.

"The more money you have the better healthcare you can afford, the healthier you are. The less money you make, the less healthcare you can afford, the less healthy you are. "

You envious little pipsqueak.

They earned it, they should have better plans.

How about you stop sniveling, and get a better job.

Or work two jobs.

It is so easy to want what those who worked longer and harder have.

Put some effort where your mouth is.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I cannot support an "every man for himself" attitude on this. When human beings become nothing more than sharks with legs, well .... then maybe we no longer deserve the blessings we've gotten.

 

[manu1959]

And Who the Hell cares anyway?

Obviously republicans for trying to make this an issue and falsely asserting that "Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K."

I don't like the English system, but it worked for Hawking for forty years.

The wheels have really come off the Republican Party.

if he was retarded do you think he would have gotten the level of care he did...........

 

[Harry Dresden]

I don't like the English system, but it worked for Hawking for forty years.

The wheels have really come off the Republican Party.

you know Chris....being who the guy is...im sure he gets the best treatment possible compared to the regular peons.....

That would be the ideal conservative market based model, wouldn't it. The more money you have the better healthcare you can afford, the healthier you are. The less money you make, the less healthcare you can afford, the less healthy you are.

That is conservative economics in a nutshell.

thats the way it is in ANY country....those that have,can get more and better,than those who dont have as much....MONEY and PRESTIGE talks in every language...

 

[Bootneck]

Awesome, except 40 years ago, he wasn't the guy he is today- he was regular "peon" as they say.

This is what I don't get- The so-called "conservatives" keep having to compare the new health care shit to Britain and other ultra-developed countries, when the current system is way more like ACTUAL shitholes like Somalia or El Salvador, where only those who can pay have "health insurance" (BIG QUOTES here). I mean, doesn't that sort of ruin your chances of being taken seriously?

"LOOK AT BRITAIN AND CANADA AND FRANCE... THEY HAVE THIS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE THING!!! AND THEY'RE GETTING SCREWED" but they always forget "INSTEAD SYRIA AND SURINAME ARE DOING REALLY GOOD WITH THEIR HEALTH "SYSTEM"!!!"

bullfucking shit...the guy had his first major theory in 1970....in the late 60's he was already a professor of note in England...and his disease was just starting.....as such asshole he was probably privy to just a little more care than the average guy.....and i aint no conservative jerk and every time you call me one i will keep on calling you an asshole ....

Hi Harry

I'm afraid you're wrong on this. If Hawkin is treated in the NHS system he would be treated in precisely the same way as everyone else. The only way to bypass the NHS would be to pay and go private. I should also add that whether private or NHS, one would have access to the same specialists, consultants, surgeons etc. as they work across both public and private sectors. Going private avoids a waiting list and you'll get a private room.

Sounds to me as though the US media are distorting the truth to play politics. The usual spin of journos...one step below politicians in the quest for honesty and integrity.

 

[david85282]

Sure. What does he care. He will never need to climb up an illegal ladder.

 

[Bootneck]

Sure. What does he care. He will never need to climb up an illegal ladder.

Clue to a cryptic crossword?

 

[bodecea]

And Who is Hawking? And Who the Hell cares anyway?

Thanks for making a very good point...for someone else.

 

[bodecea]

The Republicans and the Blue Dogs are fighting a public option for healthcare because of the $3.4 BILLION DOLLARS in campaign contributions...BLAH BLAH BLAH

no, its because we are too smart to let fuckers like you run our lives, now get on your knees in front of obama, its where you really want to be anyway and you know it.

More images of cyber sex...I sense a trend here.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Awesome, except 40 years ago, he wasn't the guy he is today- he was regular "peon" as they say.

This is what I don't get- The so-called "conservatives" keep having to compare the new health care shit to Britain and other ultra-developed countries, when the current system is way more like ACTUAL shitholes like Somalia or El Salvador, where only those who can pay have "health insurance" (BIG QUOTES here). I mean, doesn't that sort of ruin your chances of being taken seriously?

"LOOK AT BRITAIN AND CANADA AND FRANCE... THEY HAVE THIS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE THING!!! AND THEY'RE GETTING SCREWED" but they always forget "INSTEAD SYRIA AND SURINAME ARE DOING REALLY GOOD WITH THEIR HEALTH "SYSTEM"!!!"

bullfucking shit...the guy had his first major theory in 1970....in the late 60's he was already a professor of note in England...and his disease was just starting.....as such asshole he was probably privy to just a little more care than the average guy.....and i aint no conservative jerk and every time you call me one i will keep on calling you an asshole ....

Hi Harry

I'm afraid you're wrong on this. If Hawkin is treated in the NHS system he would be treated in precisely the same way as everyone else. The only way to bypass the NHS would be to pay and go private. I should also add that whether private or NHS, one would have access to the same specialists, consultants, surgeons etc. as they work across both public and private sectors. Going private avoids a waiting list and you'll get a private room.

Sounds to me as though the US media are distorting the truth to play politics. The usual spin of journos...one step below politicians in the quest for honesty and integrity.

hey Boot
Boot i understand what your saying but i just find it hard to believe that the "important" people or rich people in any country dont have the best that that country has to offer at their service if need be...thats what i am implying....if Hawkings needed Doctor Who someone would find the good Doctor for him,while Joe the trash man just may not have the good Doctor come 5,000 miles to see him....Joe might be able to see the Doc.....but he would have to go to the Doc....thats what i am saying....money talks in any language...

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

Why does it matter what Stephen Hawking thinks about socialised medicine?

 

[rdean]

The Republicans and the Blue Dogs are fighting a public option for healthcare because of the $3.4 BILLION DOLLARS in campaign contributions they have received from the healthcare industry. And their minions are too stupid to realize this. Just about everything they have said is lies.

But the world is different today. It is not as easy to lie. And their lies are being exposed.

The optional end of life counselling is the most amazing lie of all. Unbelievable! I guess none of these people has ever heard of a living will.

Those on the right have no idea who Stephen Hawking is. Remember, they are anti science.

I guess there is Science, and then there is Science. Wow, we sure are lucky to have you guys showing us the way.

"As the debate over President Obama's socialized healthcare plan heats up, the depth of his radicalism is becoming more evident.

John Holdren, Obama’s recent choice for “Science Czar,” provides the latest and perhaps most troubling example of extremism. In the name of population control, Holdren has advocated both forced abortion and compulsory sterilization through government-administered tainting of the water supply. "
Pro-Abortion Science Czar John Holdren May Forecast Future of "ObamaCare"




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This is another case of Reaching. There is a "Christian War on Science" that is going on this country. There is no doubt about that. Just the fact that the right wants to hamstring their children by teaching "mysticism" in place of science is evidence.

John Holdren's book was about "what could happen". And he is probably right. That's the sad part.

Look at China. China has well over a billion people. One of every five people in the world are Chinese. They started a policy of one child only because of massive starvation and poverty. Then, women were aborting their girl babies to have a boy. In some areas there are 20 boys for every girl. That's turns girls into a "natural resource" dehumanizing them and at the same time , creating an enormous military made up of men who, many feel, have nothing to live for, which makes them the most dangerous kind of fighters.

The problem with the religious is they live in the "Land of Milk and Cookies". They believe that magical Jesus will float down from heaven and all the good Christians will rise up into a cloudy sky like helium filled balloons, only, instead of "popping", they will just keep going, going, going.

Look at Mexico. The 11th most populated country in the world. 50% of Mexico lives in poverty. 18% have no idea where their next meal comes from. Yet, the vast majority is Catholic and they are vehemently against birth control. Who knows, one day they might start trying to pour over our borders. What will Republicans say then? WTF? It's already happening. That's right, things that John Holdren said will happen back in 1977 are happening now.

Scientists have always been the "harbingers of doom". It's because they see what is going to happen because they do things like "study" and gather things like "facts".

In the mean time, the same person is taking about Obama's socialism. Mmmm, let's see, in 1993 the US paid 94 billion in health care, in 2008, the US paid 2.5 TRILLION. At this rate, in ten years, one of every five dollars will go to health care. This is what the right is fighting for? Hey, if you want to give your money away to an organization that has no doctors, no nurses, no hospital and no medicine AND, if you get sick, could remove you from even getting care, give it to the church. They'll take your money and you don't hear them fighting for health care for their "flock".

 

[bodecea]

Why does it matter what Stephen Hawking thinks about socialised medicine?

He is not the one who brought himself up. Don't you think he has the right of rebuttal when he is dragged in as a misrepresented example?

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

Why does it matter what Stephen Hawking thinks about socialised medicine?

He is not the one who brought himself up. Don't you think he has the right of rebuttal when he is dragged in as a misrepresented example?

Yes, he has the right. I am asking why some on this forum want to use him as some kind of political weapon?

 

[bodecea]

Why does it matter what Stephen Hawking thinks about socialised medicine?

He is not the one who brought himself up. Don't you think he has the right of rebuttal when he is dragged in as a misrepresented example?

Yes, he has the right. I am asking why some on this forum want to use him as some kind of political weapon?

Political weapon?

 

[EriktheRed]

Why does it matter what Stephen Hawking thinks about socialised medicine?

He is not the one who brought himself up. Don't you think he has the right of rebuttal when he is dragged in as a misrepresented example?

Yes, he has the right. I am asking why some on this forum want to use him as some kind of political weapon?

Actually, I'd say the author of the IBD editorial was using him as a "political weapon". Hawking was merely telling the nimrod who wrote it "speak for yourself". And as for on here, why not use Hawking's rebuttal as at least a small example of how people in other countries with public health systems feel about living under them?

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

He is not the one who brought himself up. Don't you think he has the right of rebuttal when he is dragged in as a misrepresented example?

Yes, he has the right. I am asking why some on this forum want to use him as some kind of political weapon?

Political weapon?

I didn't stutter. If you can't see that, you are blind.

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

The Republicans and the Blue Dogs are fighting a public option for healthcare because of the $3.4 BILLION DOLLARS in campaign contributions they have received from the healthcare industry. And their minions are too stupid to realize this. Just about everything they have said is lies.

But the world is different today. It is not as easy to lie. And their lies are being exposed.

The optional end of life counselling is the most amazing lie of all. Unbelievable! I guess none of these people has ever heard of a living will.

Living wills, advance directive, so many things, and some still don't get it.....

 

[Bootneck]

bullfucking shit...the guy had his first major theory in 1970....in the late 60's he was already a professor of note in England...and his disease was just starting.....as such asshole he was probably privy to just a little more care than the average guy.....and i aint no conservative jerk and every time you call me one i will keep on calling you an asshole ....

Hi Harry

I'm afraid you're wrong on this. If Hawkin is treated in the NHS system he would be treated in precisely the same way as everyone else. The only way to bypass the NHS would be to pay and go private. I should also add that whether private or NHS, one would have access to the same specialists, consultants, surgeons etc. as they work across both public and private sectors. Going private avoids a waiting list and you'll get a private room.

Sounds to me as though the US media are distorting the truth to play politics. The usual spin of journos...one step below politicians in the quest for honesty and integrity.

hey Boot
Boot i understand what your saying but i just find it hard to believe that the "important" people or rich people in any country dont have the best that that country has to offer at their service if need be...thats what i am implying....if Hawkings needed Doctor Who someone would find the good Doctor for him,while Joe the trash man just may not have the good Doctor come 5,000 miles to see him....Joe might be able to see the Doc.....but he would have to go to the Doc....thats what i am saying....money talks in any language...

Yes, but money isn't legal tender in the NHS, Harry. If you want to pay money you're in the private sector. Completely seperate. The guy being treated for, lets say, cancer in the NHS will be served by the same oncologist who also practises in the private sector and treats the paying patient.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Hi Harry

I'm afraid you're wrong on this. If Hawkin is treated in the NHS system he would be treated in precisely the same way as everyone else. The only way to bypass the NHS would be to pay and go private. I should also add that whether private or NHS, one would have access to the same specialists, consultants, surgeons etc. as they work across both public and private sectors. Going private avoids a waiting list and you'll get a private room.

Sounds to me as though the US media are distorting the truth to play politics. The usual spin of journos...one step below politicians in the quest for honesty and integrity.

hey Boot
Boot i understand what your saying but i just find it hard to believe that the "important" people or rich people in any country dont have the best that that country has to offer at their service if need be...thats what i am implying....if Hawkings needed Doctor Who someone would find the good Doctor for him,while Joe the trash man just may not have the good Doctor come 5,000 miles to see him....Joe might be able to see the Doc.....but he would have to go to the Doc....thats what i am saying....money talks in any language...

Yes, but money isn't legal tender in the NHS, Harry. If you want to pay money you're in the private sector. Completely seperate. The guy being treated for, lets say, cancer in the NHS will be served by the same oncologist who also practises in the private sector and treats the paying patient.

ok i get that...so if a rich guy in GB wanted to call on a doc. who lets say was the best there is at treating Lou Gehrig's disease,who was not in the NHS, he would be able to afford him and see the guy.....would the trashman?...and if the answer is no, the trash guy hasnt the money....then the rich guy gets better treatment....