Steam can no longer be ignored.

[Octoldit]

It was an act of terrorism by the greedy international bankers at the core of the Federal Reserve that sank the titanic and blamed it on an iceberg.

That wicked act of terrorism derailed mostly all efforts at the development and engineering of steam powered ships, trucks, cars, but mainly steam powered electricity. Steam is the oldest, simplest, cheapest and most efficient form of energy how is it that everyone has seemed to forget about it?

The pursuit of Oil has been one of the most destructive paths the greedy exploitation bankers have hijacked this nation into following. It's very simple heat and water will produce steam which can bring back American industry. The Zionist gave away American industry to communist China, and shipped out gainful employment with our industrial base.

The high cost of energy was part of the reason that act of treason happened. Cheap energy is very possible and overlooked. Our politicians are a bunch of bribe accepting phonies that serve business exploitation rather than the common good.

Also with tornado alley running though the middle of this country power generated from wind has not been recognized as a source of electrical power. Mobile windmill systems on flatbed truck half a mile from tornadoes can produce a great abundance of electrical energy.

All that is needed is a method of storing the energy, and this is no real problem. The closer mobile windmills can get to storms the greater production of power. If storm chasers can do it so can mobile windmill systems.

In terms of stationary wind mill farms all that is needed is jet engines to provide wind when natural winds are not available. When we stop listening to the terrorist international wall street bankers American may have a chance at redemption....this is the change that is needed.

 

[Charles Stucker]

The electric ignition came out before a rapid boiler mechanism. Until then steam powered cars were common.

I will say that if we adopt steam, there seem to be plenty of folks who could add to the general national energy store, as easily as they get steamed.

and FYI - steam power plants are still in use around the US.

 

[Octoldit]

I don't know if it's a matter of pride, or arrogance to overlook the major contribution steam has made to the industrial revolution. This nation certainly has a proven reliable source of cheap energy to fall back on.

Not until steam is reintroduced as a method of helping to jump start this ailing economy how can it be said that any serious effort was made to save this nation and the economy?

An steam powered automobile in this day could possibly sell as well as the ford model T. With the Government ownership of General motors how can we ignore the possibilities? It's very possible some American engineer has already developed a modern steam engine that is ready for mass production.

For ships; steam is the best, cheapest, and most logical method of being powered. These vessels are floating on their fuel source. It is those greedy and beastly bankers those aim it is to create debt that introduced the diesel engine.

Truckers would love the savings that would be possible from steam engines. America might have one last change, and if steam power is ignored say good bye to anything that made this young nation great.

 

[Luissa]

this is the best one I have heard yet!

 

[Screaming Eagle]

I know I shouldn't have to ask, but Octoldit is joking right?

 

[Luissa]

I don't think he is.

 

[Big Fitz]

I don't know if it's a matter of pride, or arrogance to overlook the major contribution steam has made to the industrial revolution. This nation certainly has a proven reliable source of cheap energy to fall back on.

Not until steam is reintroduced as a method of helping to jump start this ailing economy how can it be said that any serious effort was made to save this nation and the economy?

An steam powered automobile in this day could possibly sell as well as the ford model T. With the Government ownership of General motors how can we ignore the possibilities? It's very possible some American engineer has already developed a modern steam engine that is ready for mass production.

For ships; steam is the best, cheapest, and most logical method of being powered. These vessels are floating on their fuel source. It is those greedy and beastly bankers those aim it is to create debt that introduced the diesel engine.

Truckers would love the savings that would be possible from steam engines. America might have one last change, and if steam power is ignored say good bye to anything that made this young nation great.

At the risk that this is NOT a joke thread...

As a rail buff, I've often wondered what could be done in a steam locomotive using modern technology and materials. Maybe nuclear to provide heat for steam.

But...

Steam is inefficient. The Second Law of Thermodynamics, entropy is it's major issue. You lose power through heat, friction, resistance and at so many points along the line, you will never equal the efficiency that is currently capable through basic electrical power and internal combustion.

Also, you need to look seriously at all the problems with steam generation for power as well. Transmission of power is severely limited by the basic fact of condensation. You have pressure issues, corrosion issues, foaming issues, bad water issues, bulky fuel (wood and coal are heavy and take up lots of space). Then you have the pollution issue. Not globullshit warming... pollution. As picturesque as it is to watch an elegant J class streamliner charge over mountains at full power, the amount of crap it throws into the air is incredible. A major step backwards in even what I'd call basic air quality right there.

The Railroads abandoned steam because the infrastructure, and complexity of generating high power with little space essentially is too cost prohibitive. The machines are complex and are subject to destructive influence at so many points throughout it's operation, it's just not worth going back to it.

Sure with ships and power plants you can get away with triple and quadruple expansion, but a turbine is much more efficient, but is still extremely power hungry.

We are much better serve sticking with the best technology available instead of going 'Amish' with our basic fundamentals of society in energy generation and infrastructure support.

Steamboy is great fiction, but lousy reality.

 

[dilloduck]

Waste of water---next

 

[Octoldit]

I know I shouldn't have to ask, but Octoldit is joking right?

In this political and economic situation Americans are now faced in this country what exactly can you possibly considered worthy of joking about?

If however you are an anti-American Communist/new order cult member one can understand why you would ask such a question, and the twisted humor you may find in Americans losing their homes, employment, and industrial base to the internal closeted Communist, and their slave labor allies

 

[Luissa]

those commie bastards! Tell me again how they sank the Titanic?

 

[Octoldit]

I don't know if it's a matter of pride, or arrogance to overlook the major contribution steam has made to the industrial revolution. This nation certainly has a proven reliable source of cheap energy to fall back on.

Not until steam is reintroduced as a method of helping to jump start this ailing economy how can it be said that any serious effort was made to save this nation and the economy?

An steam powered automobile in this day could possibly sell as well as the ford model T. With the Government ownership of General motors how can we ignore the possibilities? It's very possible some American engineer has already developed a modern steam engine that is ready for mass production.

For ships; steam is the best, cheapest, and most logical method of being powered. These vessels are floating on their fuel source. It is those greedy and beastly bankers those aim it is to create debt that introduced the diesel engine.

Truckers would love the savings that would be possible from steam engines. America might have one last change, and if steam power is ignored say good bye to anything that made this young nation great.

At the risk that this is NOT a joke thread...

As a rail buff, I've often wondered what could be done in a steam locomotive using modern technology and materials. Maybe nuclear to provide heat for steam.

But...

Steam is inefficient. The Second Law of Thermodynamics, entropy is it's major issue. You lose power through heat, friction, resistance and at so many points along the line, you will never equal the efficiency that is currently capable through basic electrical power and internal combustion.

Also, you need to look seriously at all the problems with steam generation for power as well. Transmission of power is severely limited by the basic fact of condensation. You have pressure issues, corrosion issues, foaming issues, bad water issues, bulky fuel (wood and coal are heavy and take up lots of space). Then you have the pollution issue. Not globullshit warming... pollution. As picturesque as it is to watch an elegant J class streamliner charge over mountains at full power, the amount of crap it throws into the air is incredible. A major step backwards in even what I'd call basic air quality right there.

The Railroads abandoned steam because the infrastructure, and complexity of generating high power with little space essentially is too cost prohibitive. The machines are complex and are subject to destructive influence at so many points throughout it's operation, it's just not worth going back to it.

Sure with ships and power plants you can get away with triple and quadruple expansion, but a turbine is much more efficient, but is still extremely power hungry.

We are much better serve sticking with the best technology available instead of going 'Amish' with our basic fundamentals of society in energy generation and infrastructure support.

Steamboy is great fiction, but lousy reality.

Most Americans have arrived at the understanding that “by way of deception” is how you anti-American cult members function. Realizing that the “truth is the first casualty of war” it’s clear that the big liars are the true enemies of America. From the main steam media to those posting all the lies and deceit on message boards it has become clear who the enemies really are.

The first lie you told in your opening comments is that you are a “Rail buff.” You go on to lie about every aspect of the steam engine, As a matter of fact everything you stated about the steam engine is the opposite of the truth.

The steam engine is the oldest and most efficient method of generating power, and is comparable to a dynamo when a portion of energy generated by this simple and remarkable engine is used to provide heat in helping to convert water into steam.

You throw in all kinds of senseless misleading Bull Shi# attempting to convince only the most gullible that your words contain any trace of merit. The steam engine was very durable, with large parts that hardly ever wore out. The greedy enemies of America even in the early days of the print media used “terrorism” to generate fear by saying that steam driven locomotives had the tendency to explode.

These Americans enemies who were bankers, businessmen, and politicians who surly saw to it that some steam engines exploded, and people were killed to lure us away from this most efficient, cost effective, and simple technology. The irony is that all along the greedy enemies of true American progress knew that another invention called the pressure relief valve would prevent any likelihood of explosions had be developed.

Of course the acts of terrorism carried out these same enemies of America were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic and the halt of steam powered ocean liners, ships, and boats to this very day. These are the true terrorist and every act of terrorism is to limit freedom, cause debt, and to enslave the masses of people. Steam was not abandoned it was “terrorism” that caused the destruction of economic freedom steam powered energy would deliver.

Terrorism changes the course of history, Oklahoma city, 9-11 and many other acts of terrorism here and abroad are done based on beastly satanic greed and “blamed on those that oppose them“! There is no need for any confusion.

The murder of president Garfield, Lincoln, and the terrorist media intensified murdered of president Kennedy were all by these same international bankers, businessmen now called corporations and politicians who secretly oppose the true ideals of America. Secret societies for the most part were created to serve this evil and wicked purpose.

Reliance on oil is not the best technology available, and if steam were now available these same enemies of America would not be looting the American treasury, killing American solders, and other peoples based thievery of other nations oil and natural resources.

How in the hell can you talk about air quality when we are at war with these same enemies who are spraying Biotoxins in the air such as these LINK: STRANGE DAYS STRANGE SKIES

We are at war with these enemies of America and the world, and those who are bribed by these animals and bailing out their “usury” apparatus is incredibly dumb, and doing it with no preconditions is the height of Stupidity.

Anyone amazed by what secret societies are all about? They will no doubt pay an enormous price in lowest hell. Why should we follow them there?

All that is required is that one does what is right. In the war of Good and evil ones actions determine their fate.

Say what you want about the Amish, I'm not talking about going back to horse and buggy. At least Amish Americans are true to themselves, have morals, and are not in debt.

One really has to wonder about the notion of what is considered "progress", or are we really speaking of self destruction.

 

[Oddball]

If steam locomotives are still such the stuff, why did the railroads go to diesel-electrics?

I mean really...You can still boil water effectively with oil/gas technology, so why bother with the electric part?

 

[Zander]

The ancillary benefit of all that steam power is nicely pressed clothing!!

 

[Octoldit]

Spoken like a true Anti-American communist idiot.

 

[Big Fitz]

Did I drift into the conspiracy forum? This crap's whacked out!

The first lie you told in your opening comments is that you are a “Rail buff.” You go on to lie about every aspect of the steam engine, As a matter of fact everything you stated about the steam engine is the opposite of the truth.

Wow. So fulla shit you squeak going into the turn. You can't prove anything one way or another about me. You're pissed I used historical realities of the technology to debunk your bullshit hypothosis and so you're gonna pop off with this crap? Laughable at best.

Lemme ask you this smart guy, WHY if steam is oh so much better did the railroads all leave steam for electricity and diesel? And please, leave the black helicopter at home. Those don't work on steam anyway.

The steam engine is the oldest and most efficient method of generating power.

No. That'd be a hydroelectric dam. A NUCLEAR steam turbine is the second most efficient. See those being put into cars, locomotives and what not all over the world any time soon?

You throw in all kinds of senseless misleading Bull Shi# attempting to convince only the most gullible that your words contain any trace of merit. The steam engine was very durable, with large parts that hardly ever wore out. The greedy enemies of America even in the early days of the print media used “terrorism” to generate fear by saying that steam driven locomotives had the tendency to explode.

Nonsensical misleading bullshit... like this quote here? Listen, boilers exploded, that was a fact of life. What's the last time you've heard of an electro-motive diesel exploding? I can't compete with your men in black here. I deal with reality, not psychosis.

These Americans enemies who were bankers, businessmen, and politicians surly saw to it that some steam engines exploded, and people were killed to lure us away from this most efficient, cost effective, and simple technology. The irony is that all along the greedy enemies of true American progress knew that another invention called the pressure relief valve, which prevented any likelihood of explosions had be developed.

Wow. Blatant ignorance of the history of railroads and the basics of steam engines right here. It was a conspiracy??? Come ON. BTW, something else for you to know. In the year 1893, at least 3 people a DAY were killed at railroad crossings by passing trains in the city of Chicago alone! Steamships the world over used to explode because of engine crew error, flaws in design and manufacture and failures based on maintenance issues. Shit happened and they were unsafe. Safety standards? What were those? Historical ignorance of the first order.

Of course the act of terrorism also carried out these same enemies of America were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic and the halt of steam powered ocean liners, ships, and boats to this very day. These are the true terrorist and every act of terrorism is to limit freedom, cause debt, and to enslave the masses of people. Steam was not abandoned it was “terrorism” caused the destruction the economic freedom steam powered energy would deliver.

Start proving it. Either get the archeological evidence, find the documents or dial up your anti-psychotic perscription. You're just popping off loony tune theories here that have no basis in history or physical reality for the sake of a political point that I'm not even quite sure what it is.

Terrorism changes the course of history, Oklahoma city, 9-11 and many other acts of terrorism here and abroad are done based on beastly satanic greed and “blamed on those that oppose them“! There is no need for any confusion.

The murder of president Garfield, Lincoln, and the terrorist media intensified murdered of president Kennedy were all by these same international bankers, businessmen now called corporations and politicians who secretly oppose that true ideals of America. Secret societies for the most part were created to serve this evil and wicked purpose.

Stupid, irrelevant AND ineffective as a deflection. This has nothing to do with the fact your steam theory is fulla holes.

Reliance on oil is not the best technology available, and if steam were now available these same enemies of America would not be looting the American treasury, killing American solders, and other peoples based thievery of other nations oil and natural resources.

Okay, please. Elucidate as to what will create steam then? If not oil, if not coal, if not natural gas, if not nuclear... oh wait, you can't use nuclear for mobile power at this time... HOW shmart guy are you going to power all your vehicles, homes and businesses? What WILL be producing the heat to make steam? This plan is like those silly cards:

Step 1: come up with a plan
Step 2: A miracle happens.
Step 3: Profit!

How in the hell can you talk about air quality when we are at war with these same enemies who are spraying Biotoxins in the air such as these LINK: STRANGE DAYS STRANGE SKIES

Oh lord, you're a 'contrail conspiracy' believer! yeah... well, here on Earth we understand the fact that jet engines make clouds called contrails due to the rapid heating of water vapor and then the instant cooling of it into ice crystals and water droplets at altitude.

We are at war with these enemies of America and the world, and those bribed by these animals and bailing out their “usury” apparatus was incredibly dumb, and with no preconditions is the height of Stupidity.

Anyone amazed by what secret societies are all about? They will no doubt price their enormous debt in lowest hell. Why should we follow them there?

All that is required is that one does what is right. In the war of Good and evil ones actions determines their fate.

Oh good lord. Here. I'll fire up the steam calliope for you. This is just loopy!

One really has to wonder about what is considered "progress", or are we really speaking of self destruction.

Well you know... Potato, potahto.

 

[Octoldit]

Another communist cult member has come out of the woodwork.

One need not waste any time reading the senseless distractions. When one understands the enemies "purpose" all their posting are evidence of their Satanic Anti-American ambitions.

It all becomes so elementary.

 

[Oddball]

Do you have anything relevant to post about anything, or can I just ban your ass now?

 

[Octoldit]

Any doubt about this communist cult member?

Is it too much Truth for you sally?

 

[Big Fitz]

Another communist cult member has come out of the woodwork.

One need not waste any time reading the senseless distractions. When one understands the enemies "purpose" all their posting are evidence of their Satanic Anti-American ambitions.

It all becomes so elementary.

Thank you. Getting a laugh this hard over your epic fail is a great way to start the morning.

Have you taken off your aluminum foil hat again? Medication not strong enough or have you chewed through your restraints again?

Now, maybe we should put you back in the conspiracy playpen where this thread belongs so you don't continue to disturb the rest of the children.

mmmkay?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

In terms of stationary wind mill farms all that is needed is jet engines to provide wind when natural winds are not available.

Hey Octodolt... stupid.... What is the fuel for jet engines? You seriously think we should be using jet engines to produce WIND for turning windmills? When it would be much more efficient for these jet engines to turn GENERATORS directly? That's called a GAS TURBINE stupid ass! That's what gas fired powerplants use!

And steam? THAT is exactly what is produced using nuclear power. That is ALL a nuclear power plant does, is produce STEAM for driving turbines.
Nuclear = steam and yet, you're against nuclear power. Do you see any irony in that?

Also, please explain why we need windfarms when they are massively carbon negative. Just the steel in each one alone negates their carbon "savings." This isn't counting the massive amount of concrete each tower needs, or all the oil that is needed to keep these pieces of inefficient shit running. This also doesn't count the wasted fuel and/or coal used to keep associated power plants boilers and/or gas turbines running during windy production times, for they must be prepared to load up and carry the grid on any moment's notice -- using twice the fuel to run at max throttle when the wind dies down than they would if they were doing ALL the work.

Of course, you understand none of this because you haven't the first clue how power plants work.

And you're not alarmed at all when Oil magnates like T. Boone Pickens embrace this stupid shit and invest billions in it for one reason only: They stand to sell millions of barrels of oil a year for this idiotic nonsense!