Stealing Delegates For Dummies

[Martin Eden Mercury]

It could be worse, like when the president and vice president were not elected by the populace...

Do you seriously believe that to be factual and true?

The election of 1800 was decided by the House of Representatives..

It was supposed to be. That was then, this is now. C'est la vie, c'est la guerre

The election of 2000 was decided by the Supreme Court...
qui est la femme

2000 election

Technically it was NOT decided by the Court. The Court was asked to offer an opinion on matters of state/federal law. It does a disservice to the nation when the certain people in the media keep that myth alive.

Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote
By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER
Published: November 12, 2001​

www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html
FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.
The Florida Recount of 2000

 

[Moonglow]

It could be worse, like when the president and vice president were not elected by the populace...

Do you seriously believe that to be factual and true?

The election of 1800 was decided by the House of Representatives..

It was supposed to be. That was then, this is now. C'est la vie, c'est la guerre

The election of 2000 was decided by the Supreme Court...
qui est la femme

2000 election

Technically it was NOT decided by the Court. The Court was asked to offer an opinion on matters of state/federal law. It does a disservice to the nation when the certain people in the media keep that myth alive.

Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote
By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER
Published: November 12, 2001​

www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html
FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.
The Florida Recount of 2000

But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots.

 

[Stephanie]

that title makes you look like the dummy and a SNOB

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots.

Why would you want the Court to go where it was not asked to go? It's all pretty simple and straightforward,

Question
Did the Florida Supreme Court violate Article II Section 1 Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution by making new election law? Do standardless manual recounts violate the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Constitution?

Conclusion
Noting that the Equal Protection clause guarantees individuals that their ballots cannot be devalued by "later arbitrary and disparate treatment," the per curiam opinion held 7-2 that the Florida Supreme Court's scheme for recounting ballots was unconstitutional. Even if the recount was fair in theory, it was unfair in practice. The record suggested that different standards were applied from ballot to ballot, precinct to precinct, and county to county. Because of those and other procedural difficulties, the court held, 5 to 4, that no constitutional recount could be fashioned in the time remaining (which was short because the Florida legislature wanted to take advantage of the "safe harbor" provided by 3 USC Section 5).​

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[Moonglow]

The election of 1800 was decided by the House of Representatives..

It was supposed to be. That was then, this is now. C'est la vie, c'est la guerre

The election of 2000 was decided by the Supreme Court...
qui est la femme

2000 election

Technically it was NOT decided by the Court. The Court was asked to offer an opinion on matters of state/federal law. It does a disservice to the nation when the certain people in the media keep that myth alive.

Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote
By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER
Published: November 12, 2001​

www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html
FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.
The Florida Recount of 2000

But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots.

Why would you want the Court to go where it was not asked to go? It's all pretty simple and straightforward,

Question
Did the Florida Supreme Court violate Article II Section 1 Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution by making new election law? Do standardless manual recounts violate the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Constitution?

Conclusion
Noting that the Equal Protection clause guarantees individuals that their ballots cannot be devalued by "later arbitrary and disparate treatment," the per curiam opinion held 7-2 that the Florida Supreme Court's scheme for recounting ballots was unconstitutional. Even if the recount was fair in theory, it was unfair in practice. The record suggested that different standards were applied from ballot to ballot, precinct to precinct, and county to county. Because of those and other procedural difficulties, the court held, 5 to 4, that no constitutional recount could be fashioned in the time remaining (which was short because the Florida legislature wanted to take advantage of the "safe harbor" provided by 3 USC Section 5).​

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Gore should have pushed for an entire recount of the state..

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

It was supposed to be. That was then, this is now. C'est la vie, c'est la guerre

The election of 2000 was decided by the Supreme Court...
qui est la femme

2000 election

Technically it was NOT decided by the Court. The Court was asked to offer an opinion on matters of state/federal law. It does a disservice to the nation when the certain people in the media keep that myth alive.

Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote
By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER
Published: November 12, 2001​

www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html
FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.
The Florida Recount of 2000

But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots.

Why would you want the Court to go where it was not asked to go? It's all pretty simple and straightforward,

Question
Did the Florida Supreme Court violate Article II Section 1 Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution by making new election law? Do standardless manual recounts violate the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Constitution?

Conclusion
Noting that the Equal Protection clause guarantees individuals that their ballots cannot be devalued by "later arbitrary and disparate treatment," the per curiam opinion held 7-2 that the Florida Supreme Court's scheme for recounting ballots was unconstitutional. Even if the recount was fair in theory, it was unfair in practice. The record suggested that different standards were applied from ballot to ballot, precinct to precinct, and county to county. Because of those and other procedural difficulties, the court held, 5 to 4, that no constitutional recount could be fashioned in the time remaining (which was short because the Florida legislature wanted to take advantage of the "safe harbor" provided by 3 USC Section 5).​

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Gore should have pushed for an entire recount of the state..

That is a purely partisan argument. Would you push that argument if it meant Gore losing?

 

[Moonglow]

The election of 2000 was decided by the Supreme Court...
qui est la femme

2000 election

Technically it was NOT decided by the Court. The Court was asked to offer an opinion on matters of state/federal law. It does a disservice to the nation when the certain people in the media keep that myth alive.

Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote
By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER
Published: November 12, 2001​

www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html
FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.
The Florida Recount of 2000

But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots.

Why would you want the Court to go where it was not asked to go? It's all pretty simple and straightforward,

Question
Did the Florida Supreme Court violate Article II Section 1 Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution by making new election law? Do standardless manual recounts violate the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Constitution?

Conclusion
Noting that the Equal Protection clause guarantees individuals that their ballots cannot be devalued by "later arbitrary and disparate treatment," the per curiam opinion held 7-2 that the Florida Supreme Court's scheme for recounting ballots was unconstitutional. Even if the recount was fair in theory, it was unfair in practice. The record suggested that different standards were applied from ballot to ballot, precinct to precinct, and county to county. Because of those and other procedural difficulties, the court held, 5 to 4, that no constitutional recount could be fashioned in the time remaining (which was short because the Florida legislature wanted to take advantage of the "safe harbor" provided by 3 USC Section 5).​

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Gore should have pushed for an entire recount of the state..

That is a purely partisan argument. Would you push that argument if it meant Gore losing?

Sure, It's just a strategy I would have used..

 

[JakeStarkey]

That is exactly what Trump is doing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Life is unfair eagle1462010 , but

in Trump’s defense, we have his cult followers LIKE YOU making excuses for his behavior, and I see a pattern. The Donald, bumper sticker slogans:

Vote Trump. Vote the Rookie!

Vote Trump. Vote the Ignoramous!

Vote Trump. Vote the Flubber, the Blunderer!

Trump said of his own supporters — “If it gets a little boring, if I see people starting to sort of, maybe thinking about leaving, I can sort of tell the audience, I just say, ‘We will build the wall! and they go nuts.” That is about as honest as the man has ever been.

“No fairness, no peace?” I say “maybe we can get Trump to stop whining like a little bitch?” The Donald needs to stop screeching “Unfair!” I can see Trump being at a Yankees game complaining that ‘stealing a base’ is unfair.​

Sounds like you are the one who lit the match on WE THE PEOPLE........

7 States didn't even vote for a candidate................In Colorado hell the establishment decided for the masses..................Yeah that honors the Constitution.............The other 6 voted for delegates NOT BOUND.....................Most people don't even know who the fuck the delegates are on the ballet......

When I voted I picked delegates for the convention.................didn't have a fucking clue who they were.....................Now you will probably tell me I must study the delegates.......................bwahahahahaha...........yeah the average working American has time for that...........

If this is Democracy in action...............in our Republic...........then I have..........

The party in the states set the rules, so the selection of delegates is done in the state by the rules.

So Learn The Rules.

End of story.

 

[PK1]

Life is never fair ...
and that is why I am voting for Gary Johnson come this November because the Circus on both sides of the political spectrum in this wonderful country of ours...

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Although Gary Johnson is the most interesting to me, i have not yet decided to support him. I like many of his libertarian views, but his foreign policy stance bothers me.
His conservative fiscal views are also of interest, but not at the expense of very unfortunate individuals.
However i love his Golden Rule simplicity with strict separation of church & state ... if he really holds compassion.
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[JakeStarkey]

This is exactly what Eagle is doing. He is a far right contard Alinsky.

 

[PK1]

Stealing Delegates For Dummies
or
Explaining Life Is Unfair
To Dummies And Trumpeteers​

---
Interesting political "science"!
Let the best "politician" win ... according to party rules.
And then, we can vote for POTUS "democratically" ... by state.
.

Interesting political "science"!
Let the best politician win a party primary... according to party rules.
And then go on to ask citizens for their votes to be elected President

American "democracy' at work

---
"Representative democracy" to be more accurate, i believe, with the "Presidential republic" variation.
.

 

[Flopper]

Stealing Delegates For Dummies
or
Explaining Life Is Unfair
To Dummies And Trumpeteers​

Life is unfair.

In the United States of America, the presidential primary season is comparable to Major League Baseball (MLB). Both can be viewed as contests between opposing teams. Under the Official Rules in the MLB, there is a particularly interesting and relevant official rule, that addresses stolen bases. It can be found under Official Rules in the MLB: 10.00 The Official Scorer. Official Rule 10.07, addresses stolen bases, or more appropriately the subject(s) of "Stolen Bases And Caught Stealing." MLB addresses how "The official scorer shall credit a stolen base to a runner whenever the runner..."

In a party, presidential primary, there are official, party rules that govern how party delegates are selected. In a memo put out by the RNC, they state their commitment to the "freedom of the states to make decisions about how they will select delegates to the National Convention." The memo makes a point that for "decades," a "democratic process" has been "grassroots-driven," as well as "transparent and effective." The RNC also goes on to state the claim that, during this current election cycle (2015/2016), there has been no difference in how 50 states, 5 territories, and the District of Columbia, have been free to decide "how they will select delegates to the National Convention." Which brings us around to Stealing Delegates For Dummies.

Stealing Delegates Explained For Dummies And Trumpeteers

The RNC does not really exist during the time/years in between the conventions. A Republican party standing rules committee keeps things legal by meeting a few times every year. When the convention starts up, a rules committee of the convention meets to deliberate and vote on rules for THAT particular convention. The new rules committee will also consider anything deliberated and put forward by the standing committee. The delegates selected and credentialed who get to be seated at the convention, get to vote on the rules. And the convention moves forward.

Some grown-ups over at Campaign Trump, need to tell the celebrity formerly know as The Donald (shades of Prince? what's next, Trump as a symbol?), that the American political system has yet to evolve into ceding the election process over to a self-professed fabulous whiner, and member of the Lucky Sperm Club, simply because he insults the most loudest and most often, and he whines fabulously. The Donald embraced being labeled a Fabulous Whiner with these words “I am the most fabulous whiner. I do whine. Because I want to win. And I’m not happy about not winning. And I am a whiner. And I’m a whiner. And I keep whining and whining until I win.” Maybe that is how life worked in the Trump homestead, when Donald was growing up back in Queens, but he is highly mistaken if he believes he can insult and whine his way into the GOP nomination, let alone the Oval Office.

It's called the Art of Deal Making

Elections are like baseball. They are contests between opposing teams. One has to know the rules, but they are also political. One has to be great at deal making in order to win. Insults and whining will not suffice. Presidential Politics is the <strong>Big Time</strong>. It's called the Art of Deal Making. While not against the official rules in most contests, insults and whining are considered bad from, and the signs of a fabulous sore loser. Unless of course, one looks at politics as just another game like Faux Pro Wrestling, or celebrity driven, fake Reality TV shows.

Disputes in party presidential primaries and caucuses are ruled on by umpires (dedicated party workers) -- the very people Trump keeps denigrating. The party insiders who toil year after year, because they believe in their party, and try to influence party platforms and process, should be recognized as hard working citizens they are. We should be thanking them, not denigrating them. Those people, the true party insiders in all 50 states, 5 territories, and the District of Columbia, work for change and earn any influence they have. The overwhelming majority of party insiders are not born into privilege. They are the people who struggle in anonymity, without celebrity, and often without recognition for the great service they do, delving into the messy business of keeping a republic together. Legend has it that a woman asked Benjamin Franklin 'Well Doctor what have we got a republic or A monarchy' Franklin replied 'a republic if you can keep it.' The thin-skinned, short-fingered, vulgarian billionaire who threatened to sue Senator Ted Cruz, and spoke about how he'd like to change the libel laws so he could sue Senator Marco Rubio, is an America Il Duce in the making.

Memo to The Donald: It is how the system is set up. And winning elections involve the Art of Deal Making, not the Art of Whine Making.

MEMO: Delegate Allocation And Selection Rules

RNC Launches ConventionFacts.gop

to be continued

This op-ed is a shorter version of a blog post Stealing Delegates For Dummies.

peace and love
Martin Eden "Mem" Mercury

an invite for you to e-mail me at [email protected]

Trump's war with the GOP leadership fits well into his campaign strategy of attacking the establishment which seems to be everyone but Trump and his followers.

Trump's latest fit over the RNC rules is a call to solidify his base. After all ,every true Trump supporter knows that leadership in government, political parties, and big corporations are corrupt. Funny, how they never think of Trump as part of that establishment.

Lobbying delegates is nothing but deal making. Why then is it then that Donald Trump, the self proclaimed greatest deal maker in the world is unable to out deal Ted Cruz. Both work under exactly the same rules established by each state and are pursuing the same delegates. If Trump can't out deal Ted Cruz, he sure as shit isn't going to be able to out deal China, Russia, or even the congress.

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

Stealing Delegates For Dummies
or
Explaining Life Is Unfair
To Dummies And Trumpeteers​

---
Interesting political "science"!
Let the best "politician" win ... according to party rules.
And then, we can vote for POTUS "democratically" ... by state.
.

Interesting political "science"!
Let the best politician win a party primary... according to party rules.
And then go on to ask citizens for their votes to be elected President

American "democracy' at work

---
"Representative democracy" to be more accurate, i believe, with the "Presidential republic" variation.
.

American democracy, is synonymous with representative democracy. Or is the other way around? :rofl

The USA has a republican form of government

 

[PK1]

Stealing Delegates For Dummies
or
Explaining Life Is Unfair
To Dummies And Trumpeteers​

---
Interesting political "science"!
Let the best "politician" win ... according to party rules.
And then, we can vote for POTUS "democratically" ... by state.
.

Interesting political "science"!
Let the best politician win a party primary... according to party rules.
And then go on to ask citizens for their votes to be elected President

American "democracy' at work

---
"Representative democracy" to be more accurate, i believe, with the "Presidential republic" variation.
.

American democracy, is synonymous with representative democracy. Or is the other way around? :rofl

The USA has a republican form of government

---
Yes, the USA is a Republican nation, as is the Islamic Republic of Iran!
Both are considered "Presidential Republics" in this map:

Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
.

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

Stealing Delegates For Dummies
or
Explaining Life Is Unfair
To Dummies And Trumpeteers​

---
Interesting political "science"!
Let the best "politician" win ... according to party rules.
And then, we can vote for POTUS "democratically" ... by state.
.

Interesting political "science"!
Let the best politician win a party primary... according to party rules.
And then go on to ask citizens for their votes to be elected President

American "democracy' at work

---
"Representative democracy" to be more accurate, i believe, with the "Presidential republic" variation.
.

American democracy, is synonymous with representative democracy. Or is the other way around? :rofl

The USA has a republican form of government

---
Yes, the USA is a Republican nation, as is the Islamic Republic of Iran!
Both are considered "Presidential Republics" in this map:
View attachment 71932
Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
.

Rarely if ever hear people use the phrase
"presidential republic"

But let us not belabor the point

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

Ironic how Trump supporters like eagle1462010 attempt to argue against the opinion in the op-ed, and end up reinforcing the point I made about Trump's defenders supporting Trump with nothing more than bumper sticker slogans

 

[eagle1462010]

Ironic how Trump supporters like eagle1462010 attempt to argue against the opinion in the op-ed, and end up reinforcing the point I made about Trump's defenders supporting Trump with nothing more than bumper sticker slogans

Yawn..........calling me out for attention............pretty lame there Mr. Op Ed...............

You either believe the people should decide who leads this country or you don't. We the People don't really have a voice anymore when the 2 parties rig the deck to decide for us.......

If you don't understand that.........then you are hopeless and don't believe in what this country is supposed to be about...........but please continue with your BS.......because that is all it is anyway.

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

You either believe the people should decide who leads this country or you don't.

Except the GOP primaries are about who will lead the GOP, not the nation.