Statement Issued on Fortune's "Fantasy" article by Oversight Committee.

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    Very curt and unflattering response to the Fortune article.

    " Fortune’s story is a fantasy made up almost entirely from the accounts of individuals involved in the reckless tactics that took place in Operation Fast and Furious.

    It contains factual errors - including the false statement that Chairman Issa has called for Attorney General Holder’s resignation - and multiple distortions.

    It also hides critical information from readers - including a report in the Wall Street Journal - indicating that its primary sources may be facing criminal charges.

    Congressional staff gave Fortune Magazine numerous examples of false statements made by the story’s primary source and the magazine did not dispute this information:eusa_whistle:

    It did not, however, explain this material to its readers.

    The one point of agreement the Committee has with this story is its emphasis on the role Justice Department prosecutors, not just ATF agents, played in guns being transferred to drug cartels in Mexico.

    The allegations made in the story have been examined and rejected by congressional Republicans, Democrats, and the Justice Department."


    :eusa_clap:

    Smokin!

    Whole article at TPM:

    Fortune: ATF Never Purposefully Let Guns Walk During Fast And Furious | TPMMuckraker
     
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    :clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

    Do you think we'll get retractions from the numbnuts that started three threads here denying that it happened?
     
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    Nixon stepped on his dick the same way.
     
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    ROFL.

    Where to start...

    That's all they have for "factual errors"? Really? That has nothing to do with the story.

    That's like telling a story about a house that's infested with rats, and then someone coming along and saying the story they told is false because "the storyteller said the house had blue trim, when it was clearly green".

    A report from a Murdoch paper talking about the possible criminal charges that may stem FROM THE STORY THEY'RE REFUTING. How does that contradict anything?

    It's a political statement, from the same people that are conducting the political witch-hunt in question.

    Why the hell would anyone believe them over an impartial investigative source?
     
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    Pretty lame rebuttal.

    People under threat of indictment and are considered players in the scandal are NOT credible witnesses.....But you knew that, right?
     
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    CBS conducted an impartial investigation.

    For example Fortune calls the "gun control issue" far fetched. Correct?

    CBS has documents that prove otherwise.

    Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.

    And here are the pertinent emails.

    ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

    On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

    "Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."


    And one more time....

    On Jan. 4, 2011, as ATF prepared a press conference to announce arrests in Fast and Furious, Newell saw it as "(A)nother time to address Multiple Sale on Long Guns issue." And a day after the press conference, Chait emailed Newell:

    "Bill--well done yesterday... (I)n light of our request for Demand letter 3, this case could be a strong supporting factor if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case."


    CBS has the emails for crying out loud. Not far fetched. Truth and in their own words captured in emails.

    Circle jerk all you want on the Fortune article, but it doesn't touch CBS's investigation into Fast and Furious.

    I can't believe I just typed that. :D I never thought I'd say that in my life. But it's true.
     
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    Pretty lame OP.

    Everyone who could possibly a witness in this case would be considered a "player" in the scandal, including all the people who have testified so far.

    So... what "credible witnesses" do you have to present?
     
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    Where's the popcorn?

    This is gonna get better and better.

    Thing is, pubs have been working toward only one end - burying President Obama, even if it means burying the United Stated. The pubs have lied about so many different things, there is NOTHING they could say now that I would believe.
     
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    Those are the exact same documents that Fortune also reviewed, and Fortune's investigation was just as in depth, if not more, than CBS's.

    And CBS is not the organization issuing the letter you quoted in the OP, are they?
     
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    The CBS investigation that has been ongoing and is still continuing.

    Bitch at them. And by no means is CBS a right wing lunatic conspiracy media outlet.
     

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