The last 9/11 goof thread is now 25 pages and has sunk to yells of "Retard" back and forth. Time for a new thread, I think. Anyway, the 16 impossible things for the troofers to believe before breakfast. Arab Highjackers for various and sundry very supid reasons took controll of the planes and flew them into commercial and military structures. A fourth plane the highjackers took over faced a revolt from the passengers, and for some reason it crashed. Either beause their was a fight that caused the plane to go into a spin, or the hijackers delibertly crashed it, we can't know for sure as the government has not released the last minutes of tape from the voice recorders. Building 1,2 & 7 of the WTC fell beause of fires which reached temperatures high enough to make the steel fail. The next several points are about the WTC failures Heat causes steel to expand, and weaken. The WTC structures were built with steel collumns and steel trusses. There was no concrete in the structure. The central core was lined by gypsum board Temperatures in the fire got very hot. It wasn't just kerosene burning there. There was also carpet, plastics, electronic equipment, wire insulation, wood, all kinds of things that love fire. Temperatures in the fires got hot way over the temperture of Kerosene. A lot of which went down the elevator shats and burned on the first floor. Thermal expansion and thermal failure cause the connections and the steel to fail after long term exposure to heat. There were 15 floors of building at least on top of the fire zone. When the steel failed, the 15 floors smaked down on the floor beneath the failure and caused seperation and failure on each successive floor as each floor failed in turn. The jets of air air seen pouring out of windows as the building fell down were not from explosions, but from the fact that you had an acre of air 16 feet thick being suddenly compressed by 15 stories of building. Window are not made to take that kind of pressure, so they blew out There was no controlled demolition. That would have required large armies of construction engineers to wander though the biulding drilling holes, inserting dynamite, running det cord, for months before the event. WTC 7 burned for hours and had a larch scoop taken out of its south side. It too suffered temperature failure. Much of the fire was fed by deisel fuel. The thing that hit the pentagon was an airplane. There were airplane parts scattered arond it. It didn't make an airplane shaped hole because one wing was behind it as it obliqly, and the other wing came off. The wings knocked off light poles as it went by. The hole in the C ring was made by the front landing gear. Most of the airplane that hit the ground at 600mph went into the hole. Indian lake is only 1.5 miles windward of the crash site, not 4 in the opposite direction. from Wiki: Which means that Flight 77 is just a blip on the radar screen and the ATC folks don't know where to look for it. Doesn't mean it wasn't on the screen. It just wasn't labeled and the ATC folks didn't know what was there. That's enough argue points for now. Let the silly begin!